How about we start with Keith Wyatt's Bob Minton page. Check this page for alternative information to the pro-Minton propaganda put out by the LMT. Keith Wyatt is not a Scientologist by the way.

http://strongsignals.com/minton/

Anyone care to step up and defend this guy?

-E.J.

Okay.

First off, not even you can actually believe that Keith Wyatt is not a Scientologist, with his links to Scientology pages spattered everywhere. I seriously doubt that that website operator's real name is even Keith Wyatt.

But whoever it is is liable to get sued for libel...

http://strongsignals.com/minton/debt.html


A few selective quotes:

"Henson posted articles about using nuclear devices against Scientology."

Yes, that's right. Some ex-clam is really going to be able to aford nuke material after being fleeced by Scientology.

"So he went in his house, grabbed a 12-gauge shotgun, and shot it in the air."

This was obviously a mistake. How are you going to kill clams if you don't point the gun AT them while firing it?


Go get employed at Sea Org, E.J., and if you have any kids, get them into the Cadet Org as soon as possible. I don't want people like you out on my streets.

Much of this anti Minton campaign is innuendo. For instance, Mintons fortune is said to have come from buying Nigerian debt at discounted prices and selling it back to Nigeria. If Nigeria had repaid it directly then they would have had to pay the full price. So what? The result of this was that Nigeria was able to repay some debt when it would have been otherwise unable to do so. Africa is drowning in debt. You know that in some parts of West Africa one person in three is HIV positive yet the government cannot pay for countermeasures? I wish that I could say I had helped Africa buy its debt back. I would do this for nothing.

Apart from this they have nothing, absolutely nothing on the man in all his 50 odd years. He has been involved in some heated Internet exchanges. I had one last night.

E.J. If you had four million dollars would you donate it for the public good? I doubt it.

When I imagine myself as a rich man I sometimes flatter myself that I wold show one half of Mintons generosity yet I doubt I am capable of it.

I am not surprised a scientologist would have difficulty in understanding selfless acts.

LRH was never very keen on giving was he? Except when he was the receiver of course.

Gossip column - Keith Wyatt (or GunBunny) is a person not many seem to take seriously, including himself. Who's Who on ARS

Slicer: Henson is not a former Scientologist. About his alleged threats, read the actual posts at http://www.operatingthetan.com/#myth

Eh. Sorry, Catarina. After reading lots of Xenu.net, I start to get the impression that all the serious SPs were in it.

Many of the really bad SPs have actually never been in (for example Andreas Heldal Lund who runs this site, Bob Minton, Grady Ward, Zenon Panoussis, Karin Spaink, Tilman Hausherr, Gregg Hagglund, and many others)

If Keith Wyatt is not connected to Scientology, that why would he care enough to design and put up this page?

Mike

I'm very familiar with the techniques of PR both in the professional world and that which is practiced within COS. In either case it is often very effective. Given that, I offer this bit of logic: Several datums can be simultaneously true. In other words, one fact doesn't necessarily cancel out another. Within COS PR circles this attempt to discredit critics is called "Dead Agenting." From what I've observed, their feeble attempts at PR tend to be pretty lame in this area.

Strange. I use a very dissimilar technique I call Very Dead Agenting. It involves E-meters and car batteries.

Slicer, I love how you make all this bad information about Minton seem like a big misunderstanding.
Of course, if a Sea Org officer shot a 12-gauge shotgun into the air in front of some critics, I doubt you'd be so forgiving.

Richard Ford: "He has been involved in some heated Internet exchanges."

Yeah, I especially like this line:

Lick the dog shit form my shows you fucking cult whore


The hypocrisy evident here is amazing. Don't you even see it?

The Critics set up a front group, the "European-American Citizens Committee
for Human Rights and Religious Freedom in the USA" to award Minton the
"Alternative Charlemagne Award", for his "role model"! But we're not
supposed to challenge that? Meanwhile, you attack L.R.H. because of his
"mail order doctorate degree."

What a joke! "Much of this anti Minton campaign is innuendo." Oh really? Well, we wouldn't want to be a part of any innuendo on this site now would we? And if L.R.H. had been involved in a Nigerian debt buyback scheme, I suppose you'd applaud it here, right? What a hero!

"Apart from this they have nothing, absolutely nothing on the man in all his 50 odd years."

This is a strange statement, when I just watched a video of him committing a hate crime against a Scientologist.

By the way, what's up with the $ 650,000 he received from LMT? Read the deposition. It sounds very sketchy to me. Maybe Andreas can shed some light on the arrangement for us.

http://strongsignals.com/minton/#money


I guess the same rules don't apply to bad acts of critics, huh? I guess you feel that Minton represents the critical community pretty well then?


So you don't like Keith Wyatt's page? How about Bernie's?

http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/bob_minton.htm

Misunderstanding?! What's to misunderstand about shooting a shotgun into the air? Sounds like a universally understood expression to me.

"Lick the dog shit form my shows you fucking cult whore"

Hey, I'm starting to like this guy.

"By the way, what's up with the $ 650,000 he received from LMT?"

You really want to know?

Fine, I might as well tell you- it's over now.

Turns out some weirdo with a towel on his head needed to funnel some money. He and Andreas came up with an agreement; he needed $300K to get to some associates of his and he paid $400K to get it done. Naturally, this money needed to be bounced around first before it got to them. So Andreas gave $350K to LMT, and the LMT gave that to Minton, who gave $300K to the recipients. As for the other $300K given to Minton, he spent $50K on himself, funneled $100,000 to some friends, and the other $150K is under my control for things I won't talk about here.

Still not sure who that towel guy was. He was working for "Al-ke-da" or somesuch.

Not very funny, Slicer...

E.J.
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Of course, if a Sea Org officer shot a 12-gauge shotgun into the air in front of some critics, I doubt you'd be so forgiving.
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If those people had been trespassing on my property with the express purpose of harassing and threatening me, they would be wishing right now that I had only fired off a warning shot with a shotgun. I don't own a gun, but I guarantee that any of them that didn't get off my property, and stay off, would have had a nice long stay at the hospital.

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This is a strange statement, when I just watched a video of him committing a hate crime against a Scientologist.
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Care to elaborate?

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By the way, what's up with the $ 650,000 he received from LMT? Read the deposition. It sounds very sketchy to me. Maybe Andreas can shed some light on the arrangement for us.
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Let's see, a private citizen receives some money from a private organization. My best guess would be None of Your Damn Business!

A little advice to you OSA goons. If you want to Dead Agent Minton, go back to your silly fliers and pickets. The majority of the people here aren't quite gullible enough to fall for such obvious propaganda tricks.

Dr. Stupid

E.J. wrote: "I guess the same rules don't apply to bad acts of critics, huh? I guess you feel that Minton represents the critical community pretty well then?"

Come on, E.J. If you read some of the threads on this subject you'd know that not everybody thinks of Minton as a godling. I should think that's pretty obvious, given the in-fighting among critics. I don't agree with some of the actions he takes, or the way he conducts himself, but I do agree with him that something needs to be done about Scn.

Bob Minton being an asshole doesn't minimize for a second LRH's being a compulsive liar and a plagiarist.

Actually, I'm drawing a parallel between the way some critics condemn all of Scientology for the acts of a few and the way one could condemn all of the critics for the acts of Minton and others like him.

You're saying that Minton doesn't represent all the critics. But when that same argument is made about a Scientologist, you guys don't buy it.


Stimpson J. Cat: "Care to elaborate?" [Minton committing a hate crime against a Scientologist."

Just go to the link and download the videos. It's quite clear. And once again, if there was a video of a Scientologist doing the same thing you guys would never let it go.


I think Minton is insane, but my point is really more general. I wanted to show that at least some critics have no interest in truth when it doesn't fit their agenda. I think the critics would argue that the Church does the same thing on their propaganda web sites. But when the Church does it, it's evil. When LMT or Minton does, he's a hero.

Some critics are hypocrites, that's obvious. Minton is just a lightning rod to prove my point.

-E.J.

E.J. wrote: "You're saying that Minton doesn't represent all the critics. But when that same argument is made about a Scientologist, you guys don't buy it. "

My point of view: any Scientologist who remains a member of the CoS, pays money to the CoS, or works for the CoS, does to some extent represent it.

I do not hold non-CoS Scientologists responsible for what the CoS organization does.

Now, any critic who works for Bob Minton, or pays him, or remains in any other obvious position of loyalty to him, does to some extent allow Bob to represent themselves.

I personally do not work for Bob, or pay him, or have any other particular attachment to him. He does not represent me. The one time I met him, he was never anything but civil towards me, so I have no personal beef with the man, but this does not mean I agree with all his actions - far from it. But interest in Bob Minton does not occupy very much of my time, and there are already plenty of people (not just OSA) dissecting his every move.

I have had many arguments with other critics of the CoS, but prefer to conduct them directly with those concerned. If this doesn't satisfy you, then so be it. I can survive to be called a hypocrite. If it was possible to have an honest dialogue with the CoS directly, I would also have been happy to take relevant parts of my criticism to the org, instead of doing it on the net.