The LA Times business section (Aug 16) hints that investing in a John Travolta film may not be such a smart financial move:

John Travolta sings on this album, too, which was posted to ARS. It's probably old but I hadn't seen it.

My goodness, my golly. Have you ever heard anything so musically lacking in all your born days?

Don Carlo, you could do a spoof of this couldn't you? (On the other hand, is it worth it??).

The song Frank Stalone sings sounds like a ripoff of Witchy Woman!

http://ronthemusicmaker.org/p_jpg/listen.htm

Fools go where angels fear to tread...

I like John Travolta (and Tom Cruise) as actors. I don't like everything they've done, but definitely like some things. Maybe I haven't fully recovered from the cult experience yet . But, then again, Pippi was recently raving about a nerve assist (though all for out-2D reasons ), so maybe we've all got a ways to go.

Beyond that, the music, especially the last track is definitely one of the funniest things I have ever listened to. Ron was definitely many, many things, but a vocalist was not one of them.

LRH music is the most sucky ass music I have ever had the misfortune of hearing!!! The lyrics are lame and trite. The music is dull and boring. Talk about a yawn fest! Even if they had hired good singers to perform these songs, well, if you start out with shit...what's the EP going to be?

Happy EX,

I wouldn't call it a "yawn fest." For me the experience of listening to his music is closer to one of physical pain. I laugh about it mainly because it hurts so much .

During the 1980's, COS sold a cassete called "Space Jazz," billing it as the "first ever soundtrack for a book!", namely Battlefield Earth.

I listened to it in the car a couple of years ago for laughs (it sounds like it was played on a $100 Casio keyboard). One might ask a hard-core LRH worshiper if LRH was such a master composer & musician, why was LRH's music for Battlefield Earth not used in the film?

Mike

Mike,

I remember "Space Jazz." It was horribly inept and poorly recorded. It sounded worse than the cheesy computer "music" that comes with some cheap or free computer games.

I talked to a Sea Org member while I was still in the CoS, who said Ron played her a song on his guiter called "Am I Blue", and claimed that he wrote it. She was devastated to learn that he did not.

My first inkling of Elron's lack of "ability" was his inept photography in Volunteer Minister's Handbook.

I like Cruise and Travolta in some films, but I don't consider either to be a great actor. If anything, I would consider Scientology to be an impediment to great acting.

Galileo

I think Travolta is a very decent actor. Just saw him in "Saturday Night Fever" this weekend. haha. He was good in that part. However, he made some poor decisions on some of the roles he chose. I would say that is true of everything he's done since "Michael" - Phenomenon was just so-so... not all that interesting. And that "Lucky Numbers" crap had to be the most boring flick I've ever tried to watch! I can't believe anyone PAID to see that movie! What a horrible waste of time that was!!! Have never been a Tom Cruise fan, but the few movies of his that I've seen are mediocre at best.

Both Travolta and Cruise are charicter actors, meaning that they play themselves in all there films. It is unlikely that they can do anything else. The most outstanding factor of scientology 'celebrity' is extreamely limited range.

In my view this is the key to understanding how they get sucked in to the cult. They love the adulation and start to believe that they are stars. This makes all the OT superman codswallop very easy to swallow yet they know that they are a one trick pony and need to learn someting to do something else quickly. This puts the prospective celebrity recruit on to an emotional roller coaster. One moment they feel a star, then they feel a fraud. Along comes scientology or some other guru to tell them that it will all be OK (for the appropriate fee.)

Could anyone imagen Dustin Hoffman going clam? He does not need some weird 'special powers' to suceed because he can act.

NB Travolta calles scientology his 'equaliser'.

Kirsty Alley, Tom Cruse and John Travolta were all very atractive ten years ago. Kitsty and John have got fat while Tom has developed a scary TR persona that would scare many women. Pretty boys are out of fashion too.

Richard,

I've gotta agree about Dustin. He's a great actor, and far too intelligent to get involved with idiot clams.

I guess Tommie boy didn't impress him much on the set of Rain Man.

Galileo

Yet Dustin Hoffman signed that U.S. petition published in the N.Y. Times (I think) to stop Germany from "discriminating" against scientology.

Americans (particularly Jewish Americans) have liberal souls and will react to the 'free speech' button. Why do you think that the OSA goons play this issue so hard in the US?

Unforunately for the clams (and the liberals) this is only a passing alliance. Any totalitarian philosophy such as scientology would need to exterminate the liberals before they could start with there 'scienetology civilisation' (an oxymoron.)

We see this happening on the internet already, scientology feels sufficently powerful to close down websites and suddenly they have no support whatever.

If the clams ever start to 'get anywhere' on the political front (by closing newspapers and so on) then the liberal army will be behind us.

Until then people like Dustin Hoffman will be no more than useful fools for the clams. They are natural enemies in reality.

Is it possible that Dustin Hoffman was actually offended by a law that required people to declare up front their religious affiliation? Is the struggle against Scientology so important that we must throw away freedom of conscience and freedom of belief? Drive up Riverside into the Bronx the next time you're in NYC and see Mr Hoffman's neighborhood, full of Puerto Ricans and Dominicans and Italians and Jews and a variety of white Europeans, and you'll see why this "useful fool" speaks out for freedom and difference. Americans do tend to reject the idea of public religious testing (except, of course, in the South), even conservatives.

Interesting points Richard and Blarney. I couldn't believe it when I saw Hoffman's signature on that petition. For what it's worth, I think he wouldn't have researched it, as Richard is suggesting, given his liberalism, so put his name to a piece of paper which, unbeknownst to him, ultimately gives rights to cults to perpetuate their crimes against, yes, humanity - wherever it can reg.

That kind of "liberalism" is scary in its knee-jerk reaction to cries of "religious freedom," and for anyone in a position of influence, like Dustin Hoffman, one would expect some hard-line research. I can't prove he didn't research it, only that most Hollywood people, whatever neighborhood they live in, are not the best judges of political issues.

Blarney, Hoffman's living in a mixed neighborhood, if that's the case, in no way suggests to me he's in any privileged or enlightened position to judge a German governmental agenda. My guess is he saw it was a German initiative and rejected it out of hand.

And I don't know where you get this blanket statement of "Americans" this or that - jesus, we are a diverse population (as you point out vis a vis Hoffman's neighborhood); it's a bit like trolls coming on to this board and saying "you people."

I get really sick of non-Americans making blanket statements about Americans. I wouldn't dream of saying "the Brits do tend to do this or the French do that or the Dominican Republicans this or the Malaysians that." Bloody hell, do you think generalizing about 260,000,000-odd people is useful?

It's not like it's a cult; there is, as you point out in your New York example, an enormous diversity of people in this country and an enormous diversity of political positions. A cult is not diverse though its members display individual differences. There are no voting rights in a cult, no arguing about "policy(ies)" -cults don't even pretend to be democratic.

I wonder if Dustin Hoffman researched scientology just the little bit he could have done to discover Hubbard's position on blacks and Asians, e.g.. I wonder, had he had that knowledge, if he would have signed that petition. I don't think so.

BG