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Post by Don Carlo » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:05 pm

The Medical Board of California was up for legislative re-authorization in 2013 (1), and there was hope they could be pushed to act on Narconon ineffectiveness, the medically unsafe Purification Rundown, and neurological effects of the micro-current in the e-meter, especially on children.

In an ideal world, the Calif. board would demand new tests of the e-meter for medical effects. The FDA tested the e-meter in the 1960's with old-fashioned testing tools, and found no medical effects, which led the way for them to accept the e-meter as a "spiritual device." However, testing tools for micro-currents have become much more sophisticated, and the FDA now accepts that micro-currents have medical effects. Other states, or even the feds, might follow Calif's lead. It would be the end of CoS if Calif. and Florida required that the e-meter could only be prescribed by a medical doctor like a psychiatrist, and not on anyone under 18.

Some micro-current devices have been accepted for many years for depression, pain, and other ailments. How does the current in these devices compare with the e-meter?
Most people use 200 to 300 microamperes for CES treatment.(2)
CES Ultra electrical output is in the Microcurrent range (10 to 600 microamperes). (3)
The E-meter can expose the human body with a left hand to right hand current up to 300 Micro Amps. 1/3rd of the value that is generally considered noticeable by a person.(4)
Just today, Tony Ortega reported Mace-Kingsley offers auditing for children.(5) If there is a narcotic effect from 200 to 300 microamps from Alpha-Stims and CES Ultra, then somebody should research narcotic effects from the 200 to 300 microamps on the e-meter. It's creepy to think Scientology parents may be dosing their kids with electro-narcotics when they make them get audited!

1. Legislature should pull plug on inept Medical Board of California, by Michael Hiltzik, LA Times, April 28, 2013, http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/26 ... k-20130428
2. http://www.alphachoices.com/media/testosterone.html
3. http://megabrainpower.com/cesultra.htm
4. http://www.lermanet.com/e-metershort.htm
5. Scientology Sunday Funnies: Baby We’re Amazed! by Tony Ortega, April 28, 2013, The Undergrond Bunker, http://tonyortega.org/2013/04/28/scient ... re-amazed/

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Post by Don Carlo » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:49 am

The Medical Board of California is ignoring major health abuses in California, so it should be PUSHED to start looking into Narconon, the Purification Rundown, the use of e-meters on children, and electronic quackery-with-side-effects. California is the 12th largest economy in the world, larger than Canada or Australia. It should be able to at least recommend tighter regulation by the Calif. state legislature.

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Post by 'Alert' » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:47 am

Some people slagged Lerma.Net about the "electronic opium" he suggested with regard to use of the e-meter. Let them eat crow when it is finally shown, injecting DC current into the body has a detrimental effect mentally, let alone physically
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Post by Don Carlo » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:19 pm

An electric device merely has to have a newly discovered medical effect for it to require new testing and regulation.
A relevant thread from Jan 2012: Top medical skeptic site goes after e-meter type devices, viewtopic.php?f=9&t=47930
Another parallel is a banned "energy device," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_medicine
Medical device rules, in the US and other countries, are summarized at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_device .

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Post by Don Carlo » Sun May 25, 2014 4:25 pm

More proof it's time to regulate electrical devices like the e-meter as having MEDICAL effects. Today's NY Times Magazine article* describes a new device from SetPoint Medical, using tiny doses of electricity to dramatically help rheumatoid arthritis and other major medical problems.
Once the implant was turned on, its preprogrammed charge — about one milliamp... zapped the vagus nerve in 60-second bursts, up to four times a day. *
My comments: The Setpoint device dose is a milliamp, equal to 1,000 microamps. This isn't that different from the 300 microamps of the e-meter . Moreover, the Setpoint dose is four minutes a day, while the e-meter runs microcurrent through the body continuously for the entire auditing session. The Setpoint device is still being improved, so perhaps its dosage will drop below 1,000 microamps.
A 1971 ruling of the United States District Court, District of Columbia (333 F. Supp. 357), specifically stated that the E-meter "has no proven usefulness in the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease, nor is it medically or scientifically capable of improving any bodily function." As a result of this ruling, Scientology now publishes disclaimers in its books and publications declaring that the E-meter "by itself does nothing" and that it is used specifically for spiritual purposes.**
The existing regulations are increasingly obsolete. The public will learn about electricity as a medical treatment, and understand CoS is practicing medicine without a license. Update those regulations, California!

Submit complaints to the Board at http://www.mbc.ca.gov/Consumers/Complaints/

* Can the Nervous System Be Hacked? by Michael Behar, May 23, 2014, NY Times Magazine, http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/magaz ... azine&_r=0

** http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/Mark-VII/

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Post by Don Carlo » Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:25 am

Strivectin's Facial Toner* uses 30 milliamps, or 30,000 microamps to supposedly fight face wrinkles. While this is roughly 100 times the "dosage" of the e-meter, it again underscores that minor amounts of electricity have medical effects, and the FDA should regulate all low-electricity devices applied to the skin, including the e-meter.

* Wearing This Walkman On Your Face Might Erase Wrinkles, by Kara Brown, Aug. 25, 2014, Jezebel, http://jezebel.com/wearing-this-walkman ... 1626581237

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Post by Don Carlo » Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:21 pm

The NuFace® device continually alternates between the positive and negative probes, and allows the
user to adjust settings from 0 to 400 microamps for a personalized comfort level. The
NuFace® device requires the use of a conductive derma gel.
from FDA documents on Carol Cole NuFace, at
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs ... 072260.pdf

So, the FDA is happy to regulate NuFace, which has a similar range of microamps as the e-meter.

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Post by Don Carlo » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:26 pm

MicroCurrent Therapy commonly referred as MENS (Microcurrent Electrical Neuromuscular Stimulation) is a form of electric medicine used to naturally and safely stimulate cell growth, renewal and healing. It uses extremely low amounts of electricity measured in millionths of an Amp that most people can hardly feel. Practitioners of microcurrent therapy introduce a mild electrical current into an area of damaged soft tissue. The introduced current enhances the healing process underway in that same tissue. The current is applied using electrodes that have been either moistened or coated with a gel...
Microcurrent frequencies seem to be able to resonate with biologic tissue and change the structure of the tissue when the frequency is correct. Once the tissue is changed and stable it seems to be able to stay in the new configuration
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Microcurrent changes muscle tissue, softens scar tissue, and increases circulation with the effect of removing long stored waste products and increasing cellular metabolism so quickly that there is often a detoxification reaction after treatment.
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MicroCurrent Stimulation (MCS) is an enhanced adaptation of a FDA approved therapy used by anesthesiologists, orthopedic surgeons, plastic surgeons and rehabilitative specialists to promote the healing of wounds and transplanted tissues as well as to treat pain.
http://www.microcurrentsystems.com/faq


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A migraine-relieving electronic device talks about the magnetic field, rather than the micro-amps: t the magnetic field right next to the Cefaly is below 0,2µT (i.e. 2mG). This value is negligible compared to the field generated by an electric shaver (typically between 15 and 1500µT when measured at 3cm)
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This creates another medical effect test for the e-meter - what kind of electrical field does it generate? What is the effect on a young child holding the e-meter cans? What is the effect of continuous hours of can-holding? What is the effect of repeated can-holding auditing sessions?

http://www.cefaly.us/en/safety

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Post by Don Carlo » Tue May 05, 2015 9:18 pm

LOWER, not higher, IQ from microcurrent gizmo called tDCS? Note: 2 millioamperes seems to mean 2 milliamps which = 2,000 microamps, which is over five times the e-meter dose, BUT it gave much lower results for "perceptual reasoning. " Earlier studies used lower doses closer to the e-meter dose, see second article below.
... the placebo group received sham stimulation -- a brief electrical current, which led participants to think they had been receiving the full tDCS. The other participants received the standard tDCS for twenty minutes -- a weak electrical current of 2 millioamperes.

All participants then retook the IQ tests. Frohlich expected that most, if not all, IQ scores would improve because of the practice effect, but that tDCS would not markedly improve scores.

Frohlich's team did find that all scores improved. Surprisingly, though, the participants who did not receive tDCS saw their IQ scores increase by ten points, whereas participants who received tDCS saw their IQ scores increase by just shy of six points, on average.
Popular electric brain stimulation method used to boost brainpower is detrimental to IQ scores, study by University of North Carolina Health Care, reported in ScienceDaily, May 5, 2015, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 152140.htm

Here's one of the earlier, buzz-your-brain-to-higher-IQ stories, remember .5 milliamps is 500 microamps, which is only a little higher than the e-meter.
In 1964, Joe Redfearn, a psychiatrist at Graylingwell Hospital in Chichester, UK, applied some promising results in rats directly to humans, delivering weak currents — of 50–250 microamps — to the scalps of volunteers. He reports that the volunteers became talkative, even giggly, when current was run in one direction, but withdrawn when it ran the other way2. He gave the 'giggly' treatment to 29 patients with depression and claims that half of them improved3. But no one could replicate his results, and the technique was abandoned.

In retrospect, several factors seem to have undermined his work. Among them, Redfearn used currents ten times lower than in modern tDCS — perhaps because he had no way to measure how much electricity was actually reaching his patients' brains.

Within a few decades, however, the necessary methods would become available, notably as researchers began to study brain activity induced by transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS). In TMS, a magnetic coil running at thousands of volts is positioned just outside the head, leading to electrical surges inside the brain that can be precisely measured with external electrodes. Alberto Priori, a neuroscientist now at the University of Milan in Italy, showed in the 1990s that tDCS increased the effectiveness of TMS. He stimulated the motor cortex of volunteers for seven seconds with a direct current of 0.5 milliamps (500 microamps), then started hitting the area with short bursts of TMS.
From Neuroscience: Brain buzz, by Douglas Fox, Nature, 13 April 2011, http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110413/ ... 2156a.html

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Emeters for kids

Post by AngryGayPope » Fri May 08, 2015 9:06 pm

Emeters for children are referred to as "vocabulary builders."

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Re: Encourage FDA + Calif to regulate CoS e-meter microamps

Post by Don Carlo » Sat May 09, 2015 3:53 pm

In truth e-meters are not "vocabulary builders," but "electronic opiods" and "obedience trainers."

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Post by Don Carlo » Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:38 am

Jeez, microcurrents aid memory in one study, and harm memory in an earlier study. Probably the effects vary depending on where the microcurrent is applied. Obviously, the old CoS line that the e-meter has no "medical effect" has been disproven. Any electronic device that has medical effects is supposed to be regulated.

Brain boost: Research to improve memory through electricity? February 29, 2016, https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 152918.htm . This links to the original scientific article, http://www.nature.com/articles/srep22180 , which says they used 350 μA, which is 350 microamps.

Commercial brain stimulation device impairs memory, August 17, 2015, https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 090048.htm

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Post by Don Carlo » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:53 pm

The US Food and Drug Admin, or the State of California's Dept. of Public Health, could measure the e-meter's microamp output, if they buy a hundred or two hundred dollar device. I'm no electrical engineer, but I used The Google: "How to measure microamps." This led to discussions(a) which recommended the device called "Fluke with an RS-232." Googling THAT led to many hits(b) discussing or marketing this device.

Researchers could:
1. Talk to Dr. David Touretsky of Carnegie-Mellon University, who has tested e-meters in his lab. He may have microamp measurement devices which he could use himself as a preliminary test if he has an e-meter lying around. See if he recommends the Fluke with RS- 232
2. Get the Fluke with RS-232 or whatever Dr. Touretzsky recommends, and follow his recommended testing approach.
3. Get an E-meter themselves, from eBay or find a way to buy one. This may be tricky getting one that is fresh from CoS and not owned by a bitter apostate (because CoS will accuse the ex-member of tampering with the device)
4. If they can't get an E-meter themselves, a pair of researchers could walk down Hollywood Boulevard, on the Walk of Fame, where Scientologists set up their tables,
5. The first researcher can disable the audio and quietly film (c) as the second researcher sits down to try out the cans, whips out this device, and measure the microamps.
6. The first researcher continues to film as the second researcher flips the e-meter over to see if it has the disclaimer sticker required by the FDA.
7. If the Touretsky test and / or a stress-table test shows over 100 microamps, then that indicates the e-meter should be tested officially as a medical device, so the FDA could demand CoS send over several e-meters for more official testing.
8. If official testing confirms that the e-meter creates over 100 microamps, then the FDA could DO ITS JOB and ban the device, or compromise by requiring a doctor's prescription.

(a) http://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/how-meas ... t-crashing
(b) https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=c ... +an+RS-232
(c) In California no-audio filming is legal in most cases:
You can legally record video without consent, unless it violates the privacy rights of others. Courts have banned secret video recordings in locations such as bathrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, bed rooms, where persons expects a heightened level of privacy.
from http://www.newmediarights.org/page/fiel ... recordings

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Post by TherEi » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:42 pm

Why dont they still have the little FDA mandated notice on the e-meter? Did they somehow gang up on the government there too and threaten them in order to make a sweetheart deal? There also once were little signs hanging in Reception and the Reg area saying that what they were selling was NOT medical treatment.

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Post by Don Carlo » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:37 pm

Sorry I was unclear - the e-meter still has to have the "this is not medical" notice. CoS likely has an official policy that the e-meter must have an FDA labels, but rushed factory workers might skip fastening on the label, or the labels might fall off. I'm just saying check the bottom of the e-meter - it might get CoS in big trouble for noncompliance.

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