Scientology boss in Australia, Vicky Dunstan, has had her repsonse (to Senator Nick Xenophon's speech under parliamentary privilege) included in the Hansard records (the minutes of parliamentary debate). This is due to some rule that if a person is named specifically or tacitly in such circumstances then they may be allowed to have a response included. This was debated and they ruled that the response should now be included in the records.
Here is that report and Dunstan's included response:
http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/ ... report.pdf
Plaintext version of the Dunstan response:
Response by Vicki Dunstan on behalf of the Church of Scientology
Pursuant to Resolution 5(7)(b) of the Senate of 25 February 1988
Reply to comments by Senator Nicholas Xenophon in the Senate –
17 November 2009
Pursuant to resolution 5 (7) (b) of the Senate of 25 February 1988 I make this
submission on behalf of the Church of Scientology regarding comments made in the
Senate concerning the Church by Senator Nicholas Xenophon on the evening of 17
At the outset, the Church of Scientology notes that Senator Xenophon’s statements
under Parliamentary privilege were false and unsubstantiated, and that they were
apparently designed to adversely affect the reputation of the Church of Scientology, its
staff and their association with others.
The Church of Scientology is a worldwide religion comprising over 8,000 Churches,
Missions and affiliated groups, made up of millions of members in 165 countries of
the world. The Church and its members are globally recognized sponsors of successful
humanitarian programs addressing societal ills such as drug abuse, illiteracy, human
rights and intolerance.
The Church’s more than 200,000 Volunteer Ministers are an active force in disaster
relief efforts worldwide. Scientologists volunteer their help, both in times of major
disasters, such as the Victoria Fires, and in times of more personal disasters that befall
all of us. The Church’s bright yellow Volunteer Minister tents can be seen in such
diverse locations as the Sydney Metropolitan area to Alice Springs. When the
devastating Asian Tsunami of 2004 struck, more than 500 Volunteer Ministers worked
for six months in India, Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Thailand. When huge bushfires
occurred in the Blue Mountains in January 2002, our Volunteer Ministers worked 24/7
assisting community authorities and helping victims and disaster relief workers cope
with the trauma associated with such a major event.
This amount of growth in a religion only a little beyond its first half-century of
existence has only been possible through the dedicated support of members of the
religion. Scientologists sincerely believe in their religion and they are active
supporters of the Church and it humanitarian initiatives.
Courts and governmental agencies in the United States, Europe and other countries
have repeatedly acknowledged Scientology’s religiosity. In October 1983, The High
Court of Australia in Church of the New Faith v. Commissioner of Payroll Tax (Vic)
That decision adopted criteria for determining religiosity that have since become
generally accepted by courts and religious scholars around the world:
(1) a belief in some Ultimate Reality, such as the Supreme or eternal truth
that transcends the here and now of the secular world;
(2) religious practices directed toward understanding, attaining or
communing with this Ultimate Reality; and
(3) a community of believers who join together in pursuing this Ultimate
Reality. These criteria have become the standards for determining religiosity
throughout Australia and New Zealand.
In April of 2007, and again in October 2009, the European Court of Human Rights
held that Scientology churches must be afforded the same rights as any other religious
institutions throughout the 47 countries that comprise the European Community.
Senator Xenophon’s 17 November presentation misrepresented Scientology’s true
status while ignoring the above decisions and acknowledgements. Instead, the
presentation focused on unfounded and unproven allegations from overseas newspaper
reports and other sources whose accuracy cannot be confirmed and in many instances
have been proven as false.
The bulk of the Senator’s presentation relied on letters containing unsubstantiated
allegations made by a few disgruntled apostates. No religion can possibly satisfy
everyone, and the Church regrets that these individuals did not find what they were
seeking in Scientology.
Such bitter testimonials have at their root a common phenomenon attributable to
apostates of any faith. An essay on apostates by Lonnie D. Kliever, Ph.D., Professor of
Religious Studies Southern Methodist University, describes it as follows:
“There is no denying that these dedicated and diehard opponents of the new
religions present a distorted view of the new religions to the public, the
academy, and the courts by virtue of their ready availability and eagerness to
testify against their former religious associations and activities.
“Such apostates always act out of a scenario that vindicates themselves by
shifting responsibility for their actions to the religious group. Indeed, the
various brainwashing scenarios so often invoked against the new religious
movements have been overwhelmingly repudiated by social scientists and
religion scholars as nothing more than calculated efforts to discredit the beliefs
and practices of unconventional religions in the eyes of governmental agencies
and public opinion.
“Such apostates can hardly be regarded as reliable informants by responsible
journalists, scholars, or jurists. Even the accounts of voluntary defectors with
no grudges to bear must be used with caution since they interpret their past
religious experience in the light of present efforts to re-establish their own selfidentity
Many of the apostates upon whom the Senator relied have gone even further and have
publicly supported the cyber-hate group, Anonymous, a group whose members
boasted about their unlawful attacks on the Australian Prime Minister’s website earlier
this year, and whose members have been prosecuted criminally in the United States for
illegal attacks on Church of Scientology websites.
The Church has no desire to air in public the personal experiences of members of the
Scientology religion–even former members such as these who have chosen to attack
their previous faith. That said, nevertheless, the Church vigorously denies the claims
of these former members. Had Senator Xenophon sought confirmation of any of the
allegations with the Church, we would have provided to him factual documents,
including coronial reports, refuting them and endorsements of the Church by numerous
community groups and countless individuals, including former members.
For example, Kevin Mackey stated publicly that he attributed his success in life to
what he learned from Scientology. Dean and Anna Detheridge similarly voiced
positive opinions of their Scientology experiences. Such positive statements are
consistent with the experiences of millions of other parishioners of Scientology. That
these people now hold a different view is entirely their own personal affair.
The allegations of Aaron Saxton and Carmel Underwood regarding forced abortions
are untrue. The Church of Scientology does not counsel expectant mothers to have
abortions and has never forced anyone to obtain one. Sworn statements have been
obtained from numerous female Church staff members who served during the same
time as Carmel Underwood, all of whom became pregnant while on staff, some as
many as three times, and all of whom state that they were never encouraged, pressured
or even suggested to have an abortion. They all state that they were well cared for and
given time off as needed to care for their children, as was Carmel Underwood.
The Church is very reluctant to bring the Schofield family more pain than they have
already suffered over the loss of two of their children, but public records in both cases
starkly contradict Senator Xenophon's claims. Both deaths were determined by the
proper authorities to have been tragic accidents. Moreover, sworn witness statements
confirm that, in the case of the first daughter, Paul Schofield was himself looking after
his child and was a short distance from her when she accidentally fell down a flight of
stairs at the Church and was mortally injured.
In the case of his second daughter, she was in the full care of both parents at home
when she ingested over 30 tablets of a potassium chloride supplement called "Slow K"
that her parents kept in the home within reach of the child. Potassium chloride is not
part of any Church program or service in Australia or internationally. The subsequent
coronial inquest found that the parents' misunderstanding of the risks accompanying an
overdose of "Slow K" led to the girl's death and recommended greater precision in the
product's warning label. In both instances, the Church assisted the family during this
time of great loss.
Aaron Saxton and Peta O'Brien claim they were denied medical treatment. They both
know it is a fact that all Scientologists are not only encouraged to seek medical
attention to address physical ailments and injuries; they are required to do so by
Church policy. And without going into the nature of their medical problems, records
indicate that both of them received extensive and regular medical treatment while on
Aaron Saxton went so far as to falsely allege he participated in a "cover up" of
financial misdealing by an individual whom Church executives not only dismissed
from staff when they discovered his activities but diligently reported to the police and
All of these matters are the subject of documented evidence and sworn witness
statements that the Church was prepared to provide to Senator Xenophon had he asked
for them. Yet, Senator Xenophon never responded to the Church's request for a
meeting with him prior to his parliamentary speech on 17 November 2009.
We regret that this matter has come before the Senate in this manner and seek only to
correct the record.
Thank you for your consideration.
This is the "Reverend" Vicky Dunstan's personal response:
A fact-checking operaton has now started on the WWP wiki for a rebuttal...
http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/Fact-check ... r_Xenophon
See also this thread:
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/318-sena ... ion-60896/
Please help out if you can.
reports critically on the senate's decision to allow scientology's repsonse to senator Xenophon into the records (rather it reports more critically on the contents of the cult's idiotic attack-repsonse).
http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/02/18/the ... ping-hand/