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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:10 am 
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Actually I can't keep up either, lol. I've given up posting link after link of essentially the same stuff, remarkable only in terms of sheer volume of reports rather than any uniqueness.

Speaking of volume, is anyone making a list of sites that are commenting on the expose? I think it would be rather interesting.

(not that I'm complaining about the sheer volume by the way).

mussel, use this real-time tool from Ray Hill's xenu-directory.net: http://www.xenu-directory.net/webnews.php
Very handy. Not always perfect in relevancy but pretty damn good, especially with the include/exclude filters.
Also this tool: http://www.xenu-directory.net/nowandthen.php which has more manual intervention from the webmaster in terms of what is held in the archive.

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
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So how long until they put out a special edition Freedumb Magazine? A week? Two? LOL, we should make a contest out of it, person who guesses closest to the date they release their own exposé wins.

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
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It was news to me (though I know not to others here) that Tommy had blown and gone to Vegas a few years ago and I felt happy that he did so.
I fear there might have been some sort of deal he had to work out in order to be welcomed back into the fold that might prevent him from leaving.

Because, obnoxious and even mean as he comes across, I don't want him to have to go to RPF (I don't want anyone to have to go).
I was also sad that he got into Columbia but didn't stay! I mean, I know Ivy League and other prestigious schools like to have celebrities as alumni. But I think that although his connections might be worth some currency in Hollywood, I doubt they would have mattered much on his college app. So he must have had good grades and SAT scores.

*Btw, wasn't it a weird section of the article, with Anne Archer and her husband? She was trying to defend Scientology by comparing it with Christian Science and the Mormons!

I've found that a lot of people mix up Christian Science with Scientology (not that Anne Archer is). Specificially, they think Scientology is Christian Science: "the one where you can't go to the doctor but you just pray to get well."

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
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^Christian Science has gone to the effort of putting out specific PR and gotten puff pieces on smalltime news sites especially to point out that they are nothing to do with scientology. You'll probably come across one at some point when browsing the net for scientology related news. I don't know if the frequency of those is related to the amount of bad scientology news flying around but I expect that the Christian Scientists would get a fair bit of mistaken identity from the general public from time to time simply because of the similar "Scien...." bit in the name.

There's probably a thread somewhere on that topic.

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
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I've found that a lot of people mix up Christian Science with Scientology (not that Anne Archer is). Specificially, they think Scientology is Christian Science: "the one where you can't go to the doctor but you just pray to get well."


Isn't that pretty much Scientology as well? I mean, if you're doing everything right you'll never get sick, and if you need a doctor doesn't that mean you're associating with a PTS? :wink:

I do know the difference: Christian Science teaches that there is no material world, that it's all illusion we need to free ourselves from. As I understand it their prayers are to more to break the illusion of sickness than to cure the sickness. Still, the concepts are similar--fighting free of either the illusory physical world or engrams and body thetans to achieve a higher spiritual state. Hmmm ... kind of interesting when you think about it. To me anyway. But I'm odd that way. :D


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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
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So how long until they put out a special edition Freedumb Magazine? A week? Two? LOL, we should make a contest out of it, person who guesses closest to the date they release their own exposé wins.


I was wondering about Freedumb Mag. Would they dare? Again?
After the Panorama v1 I thought they'd never do that again but they did withe SP times, then again with CNN, then again with Panorama v2.
Each time I thought, "they never would....surely", and yet out comes the same blithering lunacy each time, more batshittingly nutty than the one before.

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:20 am 
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I believe they will definitely come out with another Freedumb. A logical thinker might notice it makes them look crazy, but since when does Scientology stockpile logical thinkers? In their twisted universe, they believe Freedumb was enormously successful, a "HA! We showed them!" moment. Plus, it's in their scriptures to attack, they don't know anything else.

They'll probably not do it now, just to spite me, lol. I almost wish, because what enormous power I would hold over Miscavige if that were the case.

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
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^Increasingly, their freedumb magazines/videos seem more geared towards placating existing indoctrinated members and not for the sane general public. They can't do a number on Lawrence Wright without doing one on Paul Haggis too and that would be a gigantic mistake, publically dead agenting a celebrity ex-scientologist. Might start the other scieno-celebs thinking "what if that was me?" and what new celeb would ever want to join their cult after seeing that?

Go on Miscavige, I dare you. Yer yeller midget chickenshit. Do it.

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
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From the New Yorker Newsdesk, by Lawrence Wright.....

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February 9, 2011
Primary Sources: L. Ron Hubbard Leaves the Navy
Posted by Lawrence Wright

In my Profile of Paul Haggis, I look into questions about the military record of L. Ron Hubbard, who served in the Navy during the Second World War. Hubbard wrote that he had been injured in battle and had healed himself, using techniques that became the foundation of Scientology. But Hubbard’s complete military record in the National Archives in St. Louis, a file that is more than nine hundred pages long, contains no mention of Hubbard’s being wounded in battle

[...]

...continued here: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/n ... -navy.html

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:01 am 
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Source documents:

This PDF file, hosted on Marty Rathbun's site is a detailed photographic account of the guy who customised up Tom Cruise's motorbike, his aicraft hangar and his mini-bus van thing, (John Brousseau) presumably as supplied to the New Yorker magazine for Lawrence Wright's article.
All this work on scientology's tax-exempt dime....well, slave labor...... helped by you the taxpayer.

http://markrathbun.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/bikeshangarexcursion.pdf (10Mb)
(you may find it easier to right click, save the file and view the PDF locally rather than in your browser).


Fascinating stuff!


Related....

Radar Online today publishes the Tom Cruise hangar photos (must of us regulars have seen these ones before)....
EXCLUSIVE & PHOTOS: Tom Cruise Received Luxury Airport Hanger & Office From Church Of Scientology, Says Ex-Staffer
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... ice-church
Gallery: http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image ... image-load
(btw, I wish Radar online wouldn't splatter irrelavent pink links throughout the paragraphs of their articles. If you're reading this, Mr.Radar, stop it!).

and this, on the big bus...

EXCLUSIVE: Katie Holmes Studied Scientology In 'Slave Labor' Bus Church Built For Hubby Tom Cruise, Secret Emails Reveal
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2 ... -hubby-tom
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"Whatever small economic benefit Mr. Cruise may have received from the assistance of church staff pales in comparison to the benefits the church has received from Mr. Cruise's many years of volunteer efforts for the church," Davis told The New Yorker.

Oh really? So there is an exchange? Then it's not caled "volunteer" work is it? The only "volunteers" are the slaves who were ordered to do the work.

The Village Voice covers this in more detail with a selction of photos (citing some of the account in the PDF file at the top of this post)....
Inside Scientology's Labor Camp That Benefits Tom Cruise: The Photos
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... +Scared%29

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:22 pm 
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from the BBC.....
The Apostate: Paul Haggis vs. the Church of Scientology
(BBC Blog: William Crawley, Norther Ireland presenter discussing controversial political, religious and ethical issues of the day).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2011/02/t ... vs_th.html
Nice little summary.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:40 am 
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Scientology airs ad on NBC after damaging New Yorker profile
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... er-profile

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The Church of Scientology has been airing a new ad on NBC the same week New Yorker writer Lawrence Wright published a lengthy feature story that accuses the religion's founder of doctoring his war history while revealing that the FBI is investigating the church for alleged human-trafficking abuses.

The ad claims the church is helping people understand "psychiatric abuse," among other things, and ends with the slogan "Our help is yours." You can watch the ad, via Jezebel, below.

Video on official cult youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBz5Xic_Y2s

Video lacks kittens.
Best go and add to the increasing thumbs downs it has already been getting.

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Here's the parody version. You MUST watch this. I lol'd hard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKIEDs8HYZg

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:43 pm 
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^update to above.
Scientology's advert, as shown on NBC during the New Yorker flap, is not well liked on Youtube. The scale was tipped with more thumbs downs....

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Image courtesy of DarkSpecterAnon on WWP.

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Here's the parody version. You MUST watch this. I lol'd hard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKIEDs8HYZg

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:36 pm 
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Why are the inmates black? Racist bastards.

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 Post subject: Re: The New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright
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The Vancouver Sun: Famous Canadian Takes on Scientology

Commenting on the Vancouver Sun article, Gerry Armstrong wrote:
I’m the Gerry Armstrong in The New Yorker piece, but I’m not a former BC resident. I have been a former BC resident, even for extended periods, but I’ve been a present BC resident seven years. I live in Chilliwack with my wife Caroline Letkeman and a lot of yarns.

My site: http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/

The New Yorker article contains significant factual errors in the little bit about me, which the writer Lawrence Wright has acknowledged. I’m negotiating with the magazine to correct them.

Also see these letters to Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis that deal with some of the charges he made about me to The New Yorker:

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/archives/4819

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/archives/4823

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/archives/4825

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/archives/4827

Also: http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/archives/4805

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