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The Rise and Fall of the Narconon Internet Marketing Empire

Post by AnonyMary » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:26 pm

Narconon Reviews presents
The Rise and Fall of the Narconon Internet Marketing Empire Series

The Rise and Fall of the Narconon Internet Marketing Empire (Part 1)
Written by SEOlogy on November 18, 2013

This is the beginning of a 10-part series on Narconon’s Internet Marketing. Join “SEOlogy” as we explore the history of Narconon’s internet marketing and use of referral sites, how they’ve been affected by factors beyond Narconon’s control, and how those methods compare to those used by traditional rehab centers. Find out how sales and marketing for the Narconon program may change in the future. Read on for more...
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... re-part-1/

The Rise and Fall of the Narconon Internet Marketing Empire (Part 2)

Narconon is a unique entity in terms of internet marketing because they focused so much energy on the internet in the early days and were very successful at it. They really beat most other rehab facilities to the punch. A primary reason for this is because the local marketing […] Read on for more...
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Post by Karin Pouw » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:28 am

Very well done, I look forward to part 3. I think Narconon's fake referral sites are criminal.

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Post by Demented LRH » Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:38 pm

I like the first two parts very much. But for me the most important part is part 3 -- I might use that data in my book, Sciemtology: The Church of the Imbecile.
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Post by Don Carlo » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:37 pm

Appreciative footnotes and acknowledgements to Mary McConnell are in order, if anyone uses this tremendous effort.

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Post by AnonyMary » Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:23 pm

Thanks guys! Glad you are enjoying it. I must say,however, this is a team effort over at Narconon Reviews and on this series, I am just the messenger posting it around town!

The series is written by a knowledgeable person who wishes to remain anonymous. Hence, the name SEOlogy :)

SEOlogy has made 2 new blog posts in this series on Narconon Reviews:


The Rise and Fall of the Narconon Internet Marketing Empire (Part 3)
If you missed the earlier segments of this series, see Part 1 or Part 2.

"In 2003, Google changed it’s search algorithm with an update code-named “Florida”. Essentially, it would no longer consider “keyword stuffing” to be an accurate determination of rank. In many cases, websites simply sank in ranking. In other cases, Google sent out letters notifying website owners that they were completely de-listed and removed from any possibility of Google ranking. Ironically, many Narconon based websites were de-ranked, delisted, or in Scientology terms “disconnected from as being unethical” by Google itself.

Many FSMs that were doing exceptionally well shut down almost overnight. Some tried to “sell off” their delisted websites to unsuspecting graduates or staff members who thought they might be at least as successful if they bought them. Average cost was $10,000 for these sites. Only after purchasing them did people quickly realize they were now worthless due to the Google updates.
Read more and post your thoughts at:
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... re-part-3/

and.....

'The Rise and Fall of the Narconon Internet Marketing Empire (Part 4)'

If you missed the earlier segments of this series, see Part 1, Part 2, or Part 3.

Running a Sales Floor in the Treatment Industry

So far we've focused a bit on generating leads into a treatment center, especially Narconon. But, before we continue into paid internet search advertising, it's important to understand that simply getting phone [...]

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Post by AnonyMary » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:28 pm

SEOlogy has made a new blog post on Narconon Reviews:

'The Rise and Fall of the Narconon Internet Marketing Empire (Part 7)'

Traditional Treatment Facility Response to Current Internet Marketing Struggles

Narconon isn’t alone in the increased expense of marketing on the internet. Traditional treatment facilities have been affected as well. Many facilities find they cannot compete financially in the internet marketing arena. For a lower cost program, it is impossible to spend $6000 on a client when their program only costs $10,000 to attend. However, what is unique about Narconon is their terrible reputation. Narconon is losing much more business than a traditional treatment center due to all the negative reviews that are out there.

So what are traditional facilities doing?[...]

Read more and post your thoughts at:
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... re-part-7/

If you missed the earlier segments of this series, see :

Part 1 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-1

Part 2 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-2

Part 3 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-3

Part 4 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-4

Part 5 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-5

Part 6 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-6
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"If you didn’t have the time or knowledge to get your website up to the top listings, there came a way for companies to immediately come to the top listings if they were willing to pay a fee for it. Essentially, a small company known as Overture began contracting with Google as a way to get advertisers who didn’t have the ability to organically generate high rankings to bid on ranking and be shown in a top position. Overture eventually gave way to what is currently known as “Google Adwords”. Google puts paid searches to the top and right side of organic listings. If you click on any of them, it costs the advertiser money. Paid advertising is extremely expensive".

This is the kind of advertising Narconon are using now, their ads are at the top of google pages. Although paid advertising is expensive, a lot of companies, including the small ones, use it.

I think that Narconon lose money, but not because of paid advertising; thier losses are due to the lawsuits and idiotic management techniques based on the Management Series.
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Demented LRH wrote:"If you didn’t have the time or knowledge to get your website up to the top listings, there came a way for companies to immediately come to the top listings if they were willing to pay a fee for it. Essentially, a small company known as Overture began contracting with Google as a way to get advertisers who didn’t have the ability to organically generate high rankings to bid on ranking and be shown in a top position. Overture eventually gave way to what is currently known as “Google Adwords”. Google puts paid searches to the top and right side of organic listings. If you click on any of them, it costs the advertiser money. Paid advertising is extremely expensive".

This is the kind of advertising Narconon are using now, their ads are at the top of google pages. Although paid advertising is expensive, a lot of companies, including the small ones, use it.

I think that Narconon lose money, but not because of paid advertising; thier losses are due to the lawsuits and idiotic management techniques based on the Management Series.
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint ... 810.0.html

I am pretty familiar with the lawsuits and settlements and management issues and I can tell you that this is just not the case yet. But it's coming... :) Right now the majority of monies are being spent to outdo the criticism on the internet. Complaints and lawsuits have actually been filed against people for defamation but so far, the critics have succeeded... we are hitting their pockets but their main response has been more advertising...

Each Narconon facility spends tremendous money on advertising. Narconon Int does as well. You have to remember that Narconon and related facilities under different names have thousands of fake referral sites on the internet and they advertise on well known treatment related sites as well. I will try to get you more specific information on this.

Besides multiple daily press releases and pay-per-click fees on Google, each pays for keyword marketing. The rehab business is an expensive one
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint ... 810.0.html

I have been told they are suffering badly financially from the abundant amount of critical information on the internet. Sales are way down, some staff are being let go, I know some of the facilities have changed their names ( now using other new fictitious names and advertising on the internet not using Narconon name) in an effort to reinvent the particular facility image ( one of many examples: Narconon Vista Bay is now called Redwood Cliffs Rehab ) but we catch it and get the word out on the internet. Reach8ng For the Tipping Point actually got a DMCA take down request ( since squashed by the powers that determine validity of these things ) and one subsequent reasons listed ( when they complained again )was that they were suffering financially and reputation wise because it what was on the website, lol! Here's the first complaint
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint ... 634.0.html

The marketing they use is then combined with the reg tech. You can see in the upcoming Series Part 8, what goes on in the boiler room where the calls are taken or returned to those seeking help after visiting their deceptive websites. Additionally, you can read a few examples of sales scripts leaked to me that are used by Narconon Fresh Start's Sunshine sales team
http://tonyortega.org/2013/03/11/leaked ... b-network/

I will try to get more specifics on what they spend... I have seen the estimated figures but just have to remember where I saw them. I hope you enjoy these and read on to Series Part 8, next :)
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Post by AnonyMary » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:17 pm

SEOlogy has made a new blog post on Narconon Reviews:

'The Rise and Fall of the Narconon Internet Marketing Empire ( Part 8 )'

Inside a Narconon Division 6 Sales Office

To understand Narconon Sales, it is important to understand how it differs from a traditional sales office that might be found in a regular drug rehab center. So, let’s go into Narconon and step into the sales office. I’ll introduce you around.[..]

Read more and post your thoughts at:
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... -narconon-
internet-marketing-empire-part-8/

If you missed the earlier segments of this series, see :

Part 1 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-1

Part 2 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-2

Part 3 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-3

Part 4 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-4

Part 5 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-5

Part 6
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... ire-part-6

Part 7 http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/the ... re-part-7/
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Post by Demented LRH » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:19 pm

AnonyMary wrote:
Demented LRH wrote:"If you didn’t have the time or knowledge to get your website up to the top listings, there came a way for companies to immediately come to the top listings if they were willing to pay a fee for it. Essentially, a small company known as Overture began contracting with Google as a way to get advertisers who didn’t have the ability to organically generate high rankings to bid on ranking and be shown in a top position. Overture eventually gave way to what is currently known as “Google Adwords”. Google puts paid searches to the top and right side of organic listings. If you click on any of them, it costs the advertiser money. Paid advertising is extremely expensive".

This is the kind of advertising Narconon are using now, their ads are at the top of google pages. Although paid advertising is expensive, a lot of companies, including the small ones, use it.

I think that Narconon lose money, but not because of paid advertising; thier losses are due to the lawsuits and idiotic management techniques based on the Management Series.
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint ... 810.0.html

I am pretty familiar with the lawsuits and settlements and management issues and I can tell you that this is just not the case yet. But it's coming... :) Right now the majority of monies are being spent to outdo the criticism on the internet. Complaints and lawsuits have actually been filed against people for defamation but so far, the critics have succeeded... we are hitting their pockets but their main response has been more advertising...

Each Narconon facility spends tremendous money on advertising. Narconon Int does as well. You have to remember that Narconon and related facilities under different names have thousands of fake referral sites on the internet and they advertise on well known treatment related sites as well. I will try to get you more specific information on this.

Besides multiple daily press releases and pay-per-click fees on Google, each pays for keyword marketing. The rehab business is an expensive one
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint ... 810.0.html

I have been told they are suffering badly financially from the abundant amount of critical information on the internet. Sales are way down, some staff are being let go, I know some of the facilities have changed their names ( now using other new fictitious names and advertising on the internet not using Narconon name) in an effort to reinvent the particular facility image ( one of many examples: Narconon Vista Bay is now called Redwood Cliffs Rehab ) but we catch it and get the word out on the internet. Reach8ng For the Tipping Point actually got a DMCA take down request ( since squashed by the powers that determine validity of these things ) and one subsequent reasons listed ( when they complained again )was that they were suffering financially and reputation wise because it what was on the website, lol! Here's the first complaint
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint ... 634.0.html

The marketing they use is then combined with the reg tech. You can see in the upcoming Series Part 8, what goes on in the boiler room where the calls are taken or returned to those seeking help after visiting their deceptive websites. Additionally, you can read a few examples of sales scripts leaked to me that are used by Narconon Fresh Start's Sunshine sales team
http://tonyortega.org/2013/03/11/leaked ... b-network/

I will try to get more specifics on what they spend... I have seen the estimated figures but just have to remember where I saw them. I hope you enjoy these and read on to Series Part 8, next :)
Narconon is a business enterprise, sort of. If Narconon pays taxes, this would indicate that CoS is not a religious organization, and all its other parts (Orgs) should also pay taxes. But, according to IRS, CoS is a religious prganization

I have two questions that I cannot answer myself:

1. Does Narconon pay taxes?

2. If Narconon pays taxes, why other CoS departments do not pay taxes?
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Post by LindsiCop » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:37 am

Was there a 'key note' speaker on how narCONon is rebranding itself under a number of aliases because of all the negative PR on narCONon??

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Post by AnonyMary » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:14 am

Hi LindsiCop,

Narconon will never admit that it is re-branding itself. Never. Their facilities have been using alias' for may years now, just changing them after the names and websites are exposed by damaging information on the internet. Narconon is still the same program but more on-source as scientologists say. More in line with Hubbard's Scientology technical references and management policies. Scientology policies are such that any problems the organization encounters is strictly due to incorrect or non-existent application of the specific references that the program is based upon. So, after a number of years of just terrible treatment of patients and bad press and many lawsuits, someone up in the management levels got the bright idea to have Narconon International and all the facilities it licenses be taken over by ABLE Int. ( acronym for Scientology's Association for Better Living and Education International - the license holder). Then teams went in and evaluated the problems in each facility - problems of the program not being run "100%" according to Scientology tech and policies, and made many staff get re-trained or leave.

One big difference now is that some of the programs are using agreements that require patients and payees of the program to agree to arbitration if there is a dispute. This prevents lawsuits in courts and some attorneys are not willing to take these cases because of the time, effort and minor compensation they would receive ( unless the client pays them to sue which most can't afford because they blew all their money on the program)

So, besides micro managing Narconons right now and doing everything they can to make all the bad press and lawsuits go away and stop all together, they added this caveat forcing people into arbitration.

Of course, everything they are doing to try and clean up the program delivery is not working because the program is based upon Scientology's dangerous and misleading, unscientific alternative methods and people keep being lied to about it not being Scientology when it is. There are endless issues and no matter what Narconon does to switch things up, we always find out what is going on and the complaints never cease.

Thanks for asking and sorry I didn't see your post until now.

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In 2003, Google changed it’s search algorithm with an update code-named “Florida”. Essentially, it would no longer consider “keyword stuffing” to be an accurate determination of rank. In many cases, websites simply sank in ranking. In other cases, Google sent out letters notifying website owners that they were completely de-listed and removed from any possibility of Google ranking. Ironically, many Narconon based websites were de-ranked, delisted, or in Scientology terms “disconnected from as being unethical” by Google itself.

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welcome to the Bake, johnnyjenz90. After three posts are approved, you become a regular poster.

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Post by Scientology » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:57 pm

If Naronon has decreased in rating of it's relevant keyword density. this might also to a large degree comes from a possible inability to show results.

Google lives and dies with relevancy, the major Google algorithm changes are now more or less floating on daily basis.

The Quackery on the net with anti-vaccine groups without any scienticif support being on top of the searches made it obvious that a synthetic picture of reality could be beneficial in sorting out this kind of differences. Giving the results with scientifically verifiable facts and advantage, by added value of Google Knowledge vault & Google Knowledge graph. But this takes time...
Google’s fact-checking bots build vast knowledge bank
The search giant is automatically building Knowledge Vault, a massive database that could give us unprecedented access to the world's facts. Google Launches Knowledge Graph To Provide Answers, Not Just Links

GOOGLE is building the largest store of knowledge in human history – and it’s doing so without any human help.
Instead, Knowledge Vault autonomously gathers and merges information from across the web into a single base of facts about the world, and the people and objects in it.
The breadth and accuracy of this gathered knowledge is already becoming the foundation of systems that allow robots and smartphones to understand what people ask them. It promises to let Google answer questions like an oracle rather than a search engine, and even to turn a new lens on human history.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... edge-bank/

Google want to mirror sites strong in verifiable knowledge rather than sites with strong inlinks from other sites
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... PuYSeFp3LX


Google “Knowledge Vault” To Power Future Of Search
Database could be the foundation for array of next-gen applications.


Knowledge-Based Trust: Estimating the Trustworthiness of Web Sources
https://arxiv.org/abs/1502.03519
The computed Knowledge-Based Trust (KBT) On synthetic data images ..

An little Scientology specific anomaly in the search field seems to be the hight cpc rate for "Scientology Drug Rehab" a very small search that i have a hard time to figure out who makes ...

The benefits of the Dictatorship
Narconon and Scientology's military organization has the ability to act like one uni-zone bot-driven org labeled as a church is so far a success online with all the major occult of spreading of organization in what goes productive in the battlefield earth. Avoiding the lies in wrong pointer and error pointers to a much higher degree than the other side. that is my opinion the reason to why they still are on top of "Scientology" without referring back to the true history of scientology ...

The Disadvantages of knowing the shit
You might not even want to say or write the word SCIENTOLOGY or NARCONON, since very few speak or write the obvious. But this kill the knowledge in in not transmitting it, and speak to those who does not know.

Two factors that interplays with the search enging result page SERP.
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And the extremely aggressively way they protect the things that Hubbard stole from a lot of contributors and then labeled Scientology. On the surface that might be true, but not deeper... in Google Xenu Scientology & Google Scientology censoring.
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