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Scorcher_2112

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Post by Scorcher_2112 » Thu Dec 19, 2002 6:16 pm

Hi Rhiannon! I hope you find this website helpful. Personally I don't consider it a reputable source. Just the layout alone lends itself to tabloid-type authenticity. If there are serious and massive crimes being committed by Scientologists, then out with the facts and into the courts of law. Otherwise, the claims on this website are a typical mutation of the freedom of speech.

But if you like it, then you should check out other hate websites like www.stormfront.org (aka Operation NiggerBake??), a white supremacy source. See what you make of this site also. It (they) will have all the compelling arguments you find here only in the direction of racism. But be forewarned, because you may stumble upon a Wiccan hate site. Anything that helps people will absolutely draw criticism - sorry fact of life. Whether it's Alcoholics Anonymous or the Unification Church, Scientology is no different-except for one thing...Scientology is very effective at helping. This drives some people crazy.

But until there is current and irrefutable judicial findings (U.S.) that Scientology is doing real harm in various sectors, I will be of the belief that this website is the product of hate, fear, and non-understanding.

And as a closing note, while I realize that Scientology executives try to fight ClamBake and other similar websites, I continue to believe that free speech is crucial and should not be intervened with. (Copyright infringement is a different issue altogether.) A tough case in point that I often grapple with is virtual child pornography. My instincts say "outlaw this at once!" but my reasoning says "let the people do what they want as long as they aren't hurting people physically (or sexually)."

Good luck Rhiannon in your quest for the truth of life! We are all on this quest to some degree or another. Au revoir et a bientot!!

haarek
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Post by haarek » Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:12 pm

"Niggerbake", it was E.J. who made that word.
E.J. is a $cientologist that hasn`t posted here much lately. Or has he?

It was a judge in LA who called LRH a patalogical liar, Scorcher.

Katie

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Post by Katie » Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:20 pm

Hi Rhiannon. I'm pretty new here myself and can't really add much to what the others have said, but I just wanted to let you know that the vast majority of the folks that post here are hugely well read and intelligent people and will really help you out if you have a question, providing links to other sites and telling you of their own experiences.

Welcome and have fun! :)

freeborn
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Post by freeborn » Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:45 pm

Oh, this is classic! Scorcher said, "then out with the facts and into the courts of law."

Ask Larry Wollersheim why more people don't try to take the evil clam cult to court! He won his case, but it took forever and threatened his sanity.

A judge's dog was drowned in his swimming pool. Lisa MacPherson DIED, in their care, Scorcher. A seriously disabled man was promised help, and the only "help" he received was having his total accident settlement money (intended for his future care) completely stolen by co$. The list goes on and on. Just because co$ is adept at intimidation does NOT make them innocent.

ltricha
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Post by ltricha » Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:58 pm

Rhiannon,
Hiya, love the name ;) (Stevie Nicks song)
Tech is the carrot.
Admin is the cart.
and ethics is the whip.
Guess who the horses are...

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merlin
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Post by merlin » Thu Dec 19, 2002 8:35 pm

Rhiannon, Katie, and any others who are pretty new here: "Scorcher 2112" is a scientologist who first appeared on this forum as "Anonymous" (when it was still possible to post without registering). Later "Anonymous" morphed into "Cocoon", who first presented as a fence-sitter who was having doubts about $cn, but then later began to reveal hard-line $cieno proclivities. Now he has morphed into "Scorcher 2112" who is attempting to "scorch" the forum with the same old Hubbard-mandated tactics of accusing the OCMB "Group"(wdne) - WhichDoesNotExist - of religious bigotry, hate speech and false testimony.

The more you learn about the so-called "church" of scientology, the more readily you will come to recognise their "party-line". It is so obvious, so uniform in expression from one pro-$cieno poster to another, that you will readily understand my conclusion that "Scorcher 2112" is indeed the same person as the poster formerly known here as "Cocoon".

Beyond that, I suspect that it's possible the same person has also been here using the handle "E.J." - although I've had the strong impression "E.J." is female, and may be a ranking member of the OSA ("Office of Special Operations" ).

Or, perhaps, these identities are all monikers used by an OSA committee "hatted" (trained for the job) to try and "handle" (deal with) the "entheta" (bad news for $cientology) freely spoken of here at Operation Clambake.

At any rate, time and again we critics have attempted in good faith to have rational discussions with these identities, and time and again have found that to be frustrating and, in the end, futile. Give them the "facts" they request, and they accuse you of making them up. Give them irrefutable facts that are a matter of public record, and they cry "hate, fear, and non-understanding!" and run away. For folks who swear by the "effectiveness" of $cientology, and put such stock in the value of "communication", they aren't very good at it.

But, by all means, do the research - and see for yourselves.

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merlin
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Post by merlin » Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:46 pm

CORRECTION: "OSA" = "Office of Special Affairs".

See? Unlike "Source" (LRH), a critic is not infallible, can nake a misteak, and can publicly admit it. ;)

Scorcher_2112

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Post by Scorcher_2112 » Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:48 pm

Nicely done Loki. Allow me to clean my own hands. I do owe you and others that much. I was indeed Cocoon. Everything Cocoon said was true unless I exaggerated something or got the facts (of my own experience) wrong due to time gone by. I poured my heart out to this board and did the research and stuck it out. I even posted my real name by accident! But I left with a very bad taste in my mouth. Not because I had been disabused of anything, but because it seemed that my pure reason was just not being duplicated.

Later on, I tried a different tone level (no, I was really pissed) and took on the persona MouthBreather. I gave some of you guys a pretty hard time and later felt bad about it. Sorry. More time went by and I took on Scorcher_2112. Again, sorry for misleading you; that is totally cowardly and wrong - imho. But it's been a learning experience. I'm, at this time, not really interested in direct debate with anyone in particular. I'd rather just post a few quotes now and then and watch how they get chewed about, plus stay hep to current events. I hope you don't think that is cowardly; it’s just where I’m at right now, not to say I won’t be somewhere else tomorrow. But just for the record, I still haven't been in a Church of Scientology since the Cocoon days. I guess it's been about two and a half years now. I would like to call myself a Scientologist, but Scientologists don’t drink Robitussin, or smoke bongs, or drink 20 beers and Singapore slings in a sitting. Also, Scientologists congregate with other Scientologists.

I still purport, as I always have, that what I have discovered and experienced in Scientology and Churches of Scientology is true for me. I have seen no crimes, I have seen no mistreated people, I have seen successful marriages and amazing happy healthy brilliant kids, and I have met some of the best people in my entire life while active with Scientology. Has it been all a blissful ride into eternity? Nope. I myself have broken down into tears in front of the Public Executive Secretary, Flag Bureau Officer, and Executive Director when I couldn’t for the life of me get my stats up. (I suppose I could make a lawsuit out of that one. Because Scientology is definitely definitely responsible for my drug abuse..hehe.) So I cannot easily relate to the stories of most posters and I realize they cannot readily relate to mine. This is Ok. One of my biggest realizations having posted here is that a person can absolutely be an anti-Scientologist and not be a suppressive person at the same time. That’s huge for me.

So anyway, there you have it Loki. You never did tell me your story. You said you’ve been through hell and back (or some other choice phrase) and told me you would tell me someday but now was not the time. Is now?

P.S. How did you figure out I was Cocoon?

freedom_man
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Post by freedom_man » Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:06 pm

Scorcher, I admire your honesty and sincerity. There
is never any reason to apologize for where you are at
this present time in your life. I get the distinct
feeling that you are doing your very best with what
you have, at this moment, and to my thinking, this
is something worthy of applause and respect.

Cheers,
-TT

Scorcher_2112

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Post by Scorcher_2112 » Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:25 pm

Thanks alot TT! Unfortunately, you're right. I don't feel as if I'm living up to my potential. I absolutely know that drugs are the wrong way, but I'm still humping that whole consciousness-expansion thing that I started almost ten years ago, long before Scientology.

I figure I'll be at the top of my game when I'm drug free and helping people as my mainstay 24-7. Right now is a very selfish time for me. It's not an easy thing to indulge in selfish pleasures while the world burns around me. But here I am. Best intentions in the world, nothing to show for it.

But hey, TT, don't get me wrong. I'm not a sniveling drug addict. I'm having the time (still) of my freaking life! I'm out there meeting all kinds of people from all walks of life, gaining new realities everyday. I drink with bums and hookers, I goto parties with Cardinals and Bishops, and I take time to speak and listen to everyone in between. The one thing that makes this possible in my estimation is that I'm doing a stellar job at work. This sort of offsets my out-ethics behavior, on the surface anyway.

Anyway, I truly appreciate your words! Cheers to you TT.

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Post by freedom_man » Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:30 pm

I don't want to run on on the Guestbook, but you
are very welcome, Scorcher. I don't know about the
definition of ethics, as Scientology defines it, but
there is one thing that I do know: Experience is
experience, and it all counts in the School Of Life.
If you are able to love yourself in a healthy and
balanced way, and in turn, be a vehicle for that
love as often as you possibly can, the rest of life
has a way of taking care of itself. Please be careful
with the substances, so that you are using them, not
abusing them. Addictions are horrible crosses to bear.

Best Regards,
-TT

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merlin
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Post by merlin » Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:33 pm

"One of my biggest realizations having posted here is that a person can absolutely be an anti-Scientologist and not be a suppressive person at the same time. That’s huge for me."

That's huge for me, Scorch - that you can say that. And that I can "duplicate" it. Peace, then.

How did I figure you out? Well, you see, I have this imaginary friend who happens to be a detective, name of Hercule Poirot; he lives in me head, ya see, and whenever I need help unwrapping a "mystery sandwich" I have a consult with M Poirot. He almost always advises me correctly at once, and if he's ever a bit off the mark, he rededicates himself to the investigation until he solves it - or until I call him off. So now I can call him off your case, a relief for which we both thank you! (IOW, sometimes I, like everyone else, just intuitively know things.)

As for my story, it doesn't slip easily into a nutshell. You might say I "found out about Scientology" and have been reporting what I found, as it relates to my life, in almost every serious post I have written over the past 1½ years. If inquiring minds really want to know more, they are welcome to bring up the data via Keyword Search (on "I-Loki" ).

A Good and Happy Christmas, and a Better New Year to you!

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Post by don_carlo » Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:43 am

Mouthbreather - I started a thread just to debate you, called The Don Carlo and Mouthbreather Mousefight, and you never showed up!

I would greatly appreciate your opinions. The thread is under Media Reports, under "Archive through November 2002. I don't know how to link to it directly, but if you go about 2/5 of the way down the list of threads, you will find it.

peter
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Post by peter » Fri Dec 20, 2002 7:56 am

The Don_Carlo and Mouth Breather Mousefight.
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=10804
A simple explanation with few explanation grounds is to prefer, except when you need to hide your flaws! - Peter Soderqvist

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Post by peter » Fri Dec 20, 2002 9:48 am

TO SCORCHER _2122

Quote:
You wrote Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 06:16 pm: Scientology is very effective at helping. This drives some people crazy. But until there is current and irrefutable judicial findings (U.S.) that Scientology is doing real harm in various sectors, I will be of the belief that this website is the product of hate, fear, and non-understanding.

You wrote Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:48 pm: One of my biggest realizations having posted here is that a person can absolutely be an anti-Scientologist and not be a suppressive person at the same time. That’s huge for me.

You wrote Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:25 pm: I figure I'll be at the top of my game when I'm drug free and helping people as my mainstay 24-7. Right now is a very selfish time for me. It's not an easy thing to indulge in selfish pleasures while the world burns around me. But here I am. Best intentions in the world, nothing to show for it.


Soderqvist1: Your three messages have no internal consistency; I recommend you to decrease your amount of drugs, and so make your messages more consistent! ;)

Btw, there is no such thing as " Scientology is very effective at helping. This drives some people crazy." Because I have never seen criminals, or humans in general going craze because some people has done good things in their environment, as long as these "good deeds" does not mess with the "Mafiosi's territory" In short; Good deeds are meaningless from a "Mafiosi's point of view"! Hubbard has stated in his book, A New Slant of Life, that Newspapers are pouring out a lot of bad news, or even lies in order to trap readers with entheta, and so make big money! Only gullible can believe something so ridiculous, but the other way around is truth namely; That Hubbard has poured out a lot of lies about "the planet is in Danger", and only his "Bridge" can solve it, in order to fill his pockets with millions of dollars, and for the same reason, CoS lost their tax exempt status in the year 1967, and only recovered it after Hubbard's death! 1993-October. Hubbard was a hunted man from 1967 and forwardly by various government agencies in the USA. He died in hiding 1986-januari. You can click on my profile and review the court verdict in question, and IAS Pledges to mankind on CoS own home side, about the two court verdicts, is there too!

Time Magazine has covered Hubbard's lust for money and power, and has won approval of libel suit dismissal! This is; Time Magazine; The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power!
http://www.xenu.net/archive/media/time910605.html

The Bare-Faced Messiah; The Truth Story Of L Ron Hubbard, should be known to the world! http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm
A simple explanation with few explanation grounds is to prefer, except when you need to hide your flaws! - Peter Soderqvist

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