quote: Only those who have experienced the process of becoming aware of important impulses that were repressed know the earthquakelike sense of bewilderment and confusion that occurs as a result. - Erich Fromm

Kay, hope you don't mind that I pulled out this little bit to reemphasize it.

This "bewilderment and confusion" is what those we care about will experience if we manage to get them to "wake up" from the scio cult experience. And it would behoove us to be prepared to help them through this when we can.: end quote

Don't mind at all. I'm glad I could help pinpoint.

I have a little story to share. I'm not sure where to put it or if it is relevant so I'll just put it here. Last night I found myself crying and weeping over an old family matter. To make a long story short, I was mixed up in the wrong crowd and lifestyle a few years back. I lost touch with some cousins and family. My aunt passed away and mother demanded that I not go to the funeral...as she thought I might disturb the funeral and people there (and maybe embarrass her). Anyway, I have certainly changed my life since then. I have reclaimed my dignity and self-respect and been able to reestablish most of my relationships with family and friends. Things are great to say the least. But, everytime there is a family event involving the cousins I lost touch with (it was their mother who died), I just get really depressed and emotional over it. So, anyway, there is a shower coming up and of course, I am expected to attend. I got all upset last night thinking about it. My husband helps me when I rarely get like this...his approach is very aggresive but it works. Anyway, after many tears, I realized that when I get in these family situations with that part of the family, I sink back into my old role of the black sheep...and I hate it. Why is it so hard for me to fight playing that role with this part of the family? Because my mother once validated and affirmed me as the black sheep when she wouldn't allow me to attend the funeral. So, there has been an true change here for me. All of a sudden, I don't want to run from the shower and other family events. And, I don't want to go just because I feel I must submit to torture and disdain like it is some sort of penance. I am not angry at my mother, my cousins or anyone else anymore. I guess I feel at most, I am angry at myself. But, really, I have already dealt with that anger and guilt in the other areas of my life...this isn't so different now. It used to appear as the great wide open sea of sadness that I just couldn't figure out. Now, I know why I have felt the way I have...and I know why I haven't been able to escape the role there.

Now, what the hell does this have to do with CoS? A) my old role is LIKE a thetan in way but guess what...it doesn't involve aliens or past lives and B) I didn't need an emeter, auditing or course to figure it out...just need some tough LOVE. C) didn't need a shrink either...I they'd would have beat around the bush too much to help me figure this one out.

Now for a quote. Happy Day.

"Whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap"

Kay ~~~

"If you kick a tiger in the ass, you'd better have a plan to deal with the teeth". -- Tom Clancy

"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much he had learned." -- Mark Twain

Good ones PGuy!

A good all purpose saying:

F**k them if they can't take a joke.

In American - "F**k 'em if they can't take a joke."

Galileo:
You just quoted my freshman year dorm roommate! You ARE OT! This has GOT to be due to the auditing

Larry

"Habitual use of Hubbardspeak
is a symptom of Hubbardthink,
which is a form of acquired
mental illness."

Merlin

Galileo, Programmer Guy,

When I was in the army, it was "Joke them if they can't take a f**k".

Programmer Guy:
I may have read Mark Twains comment at some time in my life and not remembered it, but in my 20's I used to say "The older I get the wiser my dad gets"

Alan:
Yep. I think that is what Samuel Clemens meant in using a little sarcasm toward himself, regarding when he was young.

A couple of times over the last few years, I have expressed to my parents, on the phone, my love toward them AND that I was/am glad that THEY were my parents and not someone else. I had NO choice about which family I would be born into AND I am SO GLAD, and fortunate, that I was born as THEIR son - even as problematic as I was at SOME times in my life. They NEVER EVER deserted me when I did wrong or needed help and ALWAYS loved me inspite of it all. They NEVER decided to drop communication with me under ANY circumstances. I have had only a few relationships like that in my entire life.

How do you see it?

Best regards,
Larry

(Message edited by Programmer_guy on April 15, 2004)

Q: How many internet mail list/newsgroup subscribers
does it take to change a light bulb?

A: 1343:



1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail
list that the light bulb has been changed;

14 to share similar experiences of changing light
bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed
differently;

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light
bulbs;

27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about
changing light bulbs;

53 to flame the spell checkers;

41 to correct spelling/grammar flames;

6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light
bulb";

6 more to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive;

156 to write to the list administrator about the light
bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail
list;

109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs
and to please take this exchange to litebulb-1;

203 to demand that cross posting to grammar-1,
spelling-1 and illuminati­-1 about changing light
bulbs be stopped;

111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we
all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are*
relevant to this mail list;

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is
superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what
brand of light bulbs work best for this tech­nique and
what brands are faulty;

27 to post URLs where one can see examples of
different light bulbs;

14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and
post the corrected URLs;

3 to post about links they found from the URLs that
are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs
relevant to this list;

33 to link all posts to date, then quote them
including all headers and footers and then add "Me
too";

12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing
because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy;


19 to quote the "Me too" to say "Me three";

4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ;

44 to ask what is "FAQ";

4 to say "Didn't we go through this already a short
time ago on Usenet?"

143 to ask "What's Usenet?"

Larry, you are so right about parents, mine were/and still are the best. I hear many stories from friends and coworkers about the craptacular parents some of them had, which reminds me of another quote "The single most important thing you can do, is raise your children well" by Jacqueline Kennedy Onasis.

My parents did, and I'm working on it.

Potus, are you sure you want to use that pic?

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Alan:
You may have just "stepped into" what I "stepped into" - feeding a troll. Today I decided to stop this. (Just a suggestion for both of us.)

Best regards,
Larry

MntnAlan,

that's suits even better.

BTW PG, there is a difference between being a troll and creating a Clone.