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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:06 am 
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"The Thetan Hand Technique" is where you mock up a thetan hand and scrape out your body thetan encrustations and then throw your thetan hand away. And you are supposed to pay something like $600 per hour for this rubbish. - Roland


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I had a nasty thetan infestation once. The doc fixed me up with a shot of penicillin and I've never had a problem since.
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A body thetan *is* a thetan. The only difference between 'you' the thetan and your gadzillion 'body thetans' is that 'you' (as a Scientologist) are judged by the 'Church' as more valuable to the 'Church'. The rest must go. -Zinj


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If there ever was an apple, Hubbard was the worm.
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L Ron Hubbard is just a fading memory now. May he continue his journey into oblivion, and may those whom he bedazzled with his bullshit at long last choose to discard his "us-vs-them" mentality and his technology of fraud, and discover the real path to spiritual freedom, which (IMO) is pathless and guru-free. -Merlin


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Auditing-
What Scientology is allowed to do to you, but the IRS is not allowed to do to them. -Nec 20


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The whole mess just boils down to a little game that's played on would be OT's ("Obfuscated Thetans"). First you define a thetan as a life force which is not located in matter, engergy space or time . . . which means it can never be a body. Then after several years of getting one to create a reactive mind in one's imagination, and drill it over and over in auditing sessions, reinforced with electrical stimulation, to uncreate chunks of it by viewing the moment you created those chunks, you have a being who cannot differentiate between what actually exists, and what he agrees exists in relation to what everyone else (other scientologists) agrees exists. In every day life such a state would be called psychotic, not clear. The clear is then told that in "reality" his body is composed of degenerated beings called body thetans, and fed the horsehit story of Xenu and the Marcabian civilization, which is responsible for creating all of the degraded beings which make up his body. He is then given some more electrical stimulation and told to go make those body thetans disappear. Here we have Mr. Barnum's sucker. . . trying to undo all of the bad beings which oh! oh! make up his own body, and we spin the sucker right into the NOTs auditing recovery process, because he's caught between destroying his own body and doing the right thing. The poor sucker is so spun in that he doesn't figure out that a being which does not exist in matter, energy, space or time could never "compose" anything. The whole situation is simply another way to brainwash someone and make some jerks a whole lot of money.
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When it comes to upper level Scientology beliefs, "coherent explanation of
Scientology beliefs" is a contradiction in terms. The CofS gives one
story to newcomers, but their real beliefs, which are not revealed until
the person has spent their life's savings are another story completely.
The NOTs materials are absurd, so my advice is not to even try to make
sense out of them since it would be a waste of your valuable time.
-Monica Pignotti


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F you want to believe that you are possessed with clusters of millions of alien spirits (NOTS), I guess that you have a right to do so. I don't think that you have a right to coerce people through deceptive means to believe in this and charge exorbitant fees to remove them. How many
people went psychotic trying to telepathically locate these aliens (Body Thetans)? But they must be there because Hubbard said so and here you having paid all that money etc.,etc. Look what happened to L. Ron Hubbard. He died in hiding, a raving psychotic...raving at his BTs(Body Thetans). What happened to his son Quentin,...he committed suicide. What happened to his son L. Ron Hubbard Jr. ...he denounced his father as a vicious madman. What happened to his wife, Mary Sue Hubbard...she took a prison rap for him. That's how well scientology works. -JimDBB


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You want to get somebody to go crazy? Make them think that "they" are out to get them. "They" can be the communists, little green men from mars, the men in the black helicopters, BT's, or Bugs Bunny. The _easiest_ way to drive a person crazy is to get them involved with imaginary enemies. You see, nobody else can see them, because of their mind shields, and only _you_ know the truth. You _will_ go psychotic if you delude yourself into thinking that you have thousands upon thousands of cooties infesting you, and you have to get rid of them, but there's always more of them, and they're affecting your thinking, and they're invading your thoughts, and they're hurting your body, and there's always more of them, more of them, more of them. -Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran


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You poor, deluded child. Unable to see the trees for the forest, you cling to your hopes and dreams, wishing, praying, and forcing yourself to believe that you're infested with the souls of dead space aliens, and just as soon as you get rid of them all, you'll have magical powers.
--Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran


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Prove it. That is, prove that what "reads" on the e-meter is in fact
a so-called Body Thetan, and not merely a sweaty palm brought about
by one of any number of phenomena easily explainable in biological
terms.-Scott McClare


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Anyone with a brain larger than a pea, and an IQ higher than 2 would take their things with them and leave the scientology so-called religion when they are being informed about the errors of the Hub. Unfortunately, many still need the auditing fix. They just can't live without that, even when it's been proven that auditing only creates a synthetic happiness. Anyone that still sits with the cans in their hands, have totally disqualified themselves from ever mention the words truth or fact again. -Anti-Cult


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Hubbard claimed that the OT3 incident happened amongst other places in Hawaii. As others have explained before on this NG, Hawaii didn't exist 75-million years ago. That means that Hubbard was wrong. What else does it mean? Well, it means that Hubbard's claims to have mapped the whole time track, also is very dubious. If he was wrong about this, you can bet your last dime on that he was wrong about the time track too. In fact, it is a fact that he was wrong about the timetrack, since this incident is on the so-called timetrack, and is proven wrongly placed. That also means that the rest of the timetrack falls apart totally, since you can't take out one part of the track without disturbing the rest of the track.-Anti-Cult


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This error with the timetrack also means that the BT story can be written off also. If something was dumped in a place that didn't exist, it is very likely, that the dumping never took place since there was no place to dump anything in. If the deluded scienos is sitting and running an incident
that supposedly took place 75-million years ago, and it now has been proven that it never happened, since the place where it should have happened didn't exist, then the question arises: What are they running? The answer is that they are running nothing else than false implanted memories. -Anti-Cult


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