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$cientology Schools

Post by mindwork » Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:35 pm

Hi All:
IM hoping one of you can answer this question.
To make a long story short, for the obvious
reasons.
Are any of the $cientology high schools accredited? Specifically the Clear Water
area.
If someone graduates from one of there schools
would they be able to move on to a state collage.
I wish I could give more details, But I can't
right now. (Hopefully some day).

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Post by mikedewolf » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:41 pm

I don't know of any Schientology affiliated school that is accredited.

Some states, such as California, offer a exam that anyone can take, and if they pass, obtain a document that is the legal equivelent of a high school diploma. This is what students of Apple School and Delphi's California campus's do. I have no idea what the pass rates are, or if Florida offers such an exam.


(Message edited by mikedewolf on April 06, 2004)
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Post by mindwork » Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:19 am

:)
Thanks Mike:
I thought I had read that somewhere along the
line. But being low on the tone scale it's
hard to remember all of it.
This could be a GREAT bargaining chip.!!!
I can't wait to use it. (grin)
Thank You Again

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Post by mntnalan » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:38 am

Dito Smith,
When my ex-wife was trying to convince me to let my teenage daughter join the Sea-org, I asked, and was allowed to tour the Clearwater facilities, including the school. The scientologists told me they were accredited by the state. When I asked for government documents for proof, they couldn't/wouldn't show me, but said they could send me a copy in the mail, but I never got a copy. This is not proof that they are not accredited, but my guess is that most private schools could/would produce those documents when asked. Here are a couple of my observations of the school, and my opinions about my observations.
1)Observation: All Jr. High and High school aged children were in one classroom with one teacher and one assistent. Opinion: High school level education requires enough course level specific knowledge and expertise that two people would be highly challenged to have the necessary expertise to cover all the courses to supply a well rounded education. In high school, english classes are taught by english majors, math is taught by math majors, history is taught by history majors and science is taught by science majors.

2) Observation: All the students were self-studying without assistence from the teachers. Opinion: This actually appeared quite impressive, a well behaved classroom where it appeared that nobody was screwing off---But, if a student was neglecting their studies, I'm not sure if the teacher would have been aware of it as long as they were not disruptive. Also, having once been a teenager, and also being the parent of two, I know that some times a teenager needs a "kick in the butt" for motivation. It is my opinion that teenagers are the least self-motivated age group of our society.

3) Observation: The only literature that I saw in the classroom was science fiction by Hubbard . Opinion: There is a wealth of literature written by numerous authors, from unmeasurable backgounds, with infinite opinions and ideas. Even fiction writers provide valuable commentary on the human and societal conditions that we live in, and evolved from.

My final opinions are that the teacher of the class was not very passionate about education. Our current government run schools in the US aren't great, but a whole lot better than a scientology run school. After high school, go to college and get an education in something you like. You will be successful if you work at what you enjoy, and have the educational background to support it.
Alan
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Post by magoo1 » Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:40 am

Dito Smith...

Alan is correct about much, and not so about others. Check with your school as far as if it is accredited or not. Delphi actually has a system that most of the colleges I met with thought was fantastic (In that a kid, if he gets I think it's 79% or lower, has to re-study it and get it right, for each subject studied). Most colleges I spoke with said that was almost unheard of.

True..the kids study off of check sheets. The problem isn't that they'll screw off, as "Qual" ensures that won't work. However, what they miss is as Alan said, being taught by specialists. Now having gone to some excellent Private schools, I found zero that helped me, but that doesn't mean there aren't some good ones, somewhere.

What is even worse than that is the almost total lack of discussion that goes on in "Regular" schools. Quite a few Scientologists I knew agreed this was really the worst problem in Scientology schools.

Also, they for the most part, are VERY bad in Math, and Science. Lastly, often they have little or no athletics.

I'd say go to the school and spend a day there. Their hype will convince anyone it's the best school. However, is it really? Go see. I say check out other private schools, or even the local
educational systems: some are quite good, and they're FREE :)

My best ~

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Post by magoo1 » Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:42 am

PS: Actually the best thing to do is check with any colleges you might be interested in, for your kid (or yourself) to go to. From that, you'll have a better idea of what schools are hot, and which are not.

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Post by mikedewolf » Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:52 pm

Tory:

Since you were once on staff at Apple School, do you know if they ever got CA accreditation? If not, do you know the real reason why not?
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Post by simon » Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:21 pm

One of my children was in the S.O. from 13 to 16 years of age. I was given much hype on how he would attend school and complete all his H.S. requirements. Observing the classroom he was in did not really tell the story -- it appeared that the children were studying. As a S.O. member he was indoctrinated to only give me good reports on everything he was doing. Only after he left the S.O. did I find out that he learned next to nothing in terms of general education. He was left on his own to research whatever he wanted during his school study time. He completed many Scientology courses, however.

Another son attended Delphi until he was 17. He actually received a decent liberal arts education, but was lacking in the science and math department. Unfortunately he also had to take many Scientology courses. I took him out a year before graduation because the senior year was almost all made up of Scientology courses. He got his G.E.D. and went to a junior college. There he was tested for placement. He scored well in English but low in Math and Science and needed to take high school level courses in order to catch up. In the process of checking out colleges, I found that some accepted Delphi students and some did not. Delphi is not accredited by the major state accrediting institution. Because Delphi or any Scientology school is run on Scientology principles, it's very hard to tell what's fully going on. The students are conditioned to think they are getting an incredible education. They are discouraged from finding any fault. They are handled with Scientology ethics procedures and would be fearful to give anything but glowing reports about their teachers and curriculum. This is particulary true of the older students who have been well conditioned to the Scientology way. It was quite a challenge for me to help my son to see that he was not a failure if he didn't complete Delphi. Removing the conditioning took over a year. He is now doing very well in junior college and we both are so relieved we are out of the Scientology trap.

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Post by freebird602 » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:11 pm

I'm relieved to hear that your son is now doing well Simon! I'm also very glad that the pair of you are free of $cientology........

It makes my eyes go watery when I hear of the cult potentially messing up children's lives. And this comes from someone who hasn't got any children!

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Post by magoo1 » Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:23 am

Ditto, Freebird and Simon!

Mike....back when I was on staff, I don't think Apple School was looking to get accredited. (If they were, I wasn't in on it).

I thought Delphi had gotten that. No? Well, they certainly have a "real" HS Diploma, that is recognized. It isn't like Larry Dennison, who had the GED dealies. Delphi had official Diplomas.

Also, the Hubbard College got accredited. Many people don't quite realize what that means. I learned it while working at Survivial Strategies/Body Balance for Performance (the latter now sold). Doctors ALL have to do certain training each year. It has to be from an accredited school or trainer. Now the WISE (barf) Companies can reg them over to the Hubbard College, and they can do their training there, and get the credits.

Anyone feeling the urge to write just *might* begin informing the State of WHO the Hubbard College ~really~ is.

All the best :)

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Post by mindwork » Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:49 pm

Thank You ALL

I can't wait to use some of this imformatiom
regarding there education, and most
everything else on this site as far as that go's.

There is so much more to the story.
I wish I could fill you all in.
Im sure you would find interesting.

Thanks Again

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Post by lucid_dreamer » Sun May 16, 2004 6:48 pm

Well, I went to a Scientology school and quit when I was recruited into the SO at age 15. For almost the last year of me attending that school I was doing "work/study" because my parents could no longer afford tuition, so I only really studied for about 4 hours per day. I agree on them being lax in the math and sciences. Once I got out of the SO a few years later I went and got my GED and did well on that. When I took placement tests for
junior college a few years later I also scored great on English, and had to do a remedial math class.
I'm married and had a baby a year and half ago so I took a break from college, but I'm starting back tomorrow and I'm very excited. I'd say my best school experience has been college since most of my previous schooling has been at different Scientology schools and I've always felt I have huge gaps in my education.

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Post by mikedewolf » Mon May 17, 2004 5:10 pm

Dreamer:

Congratulations! I too had an awakening at college where I learned that there are many worlds of knowledge that do not originate from L. Ron Hubbard, and perhaps that LRH was not as smart I thought!
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Post by oneagainstall » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:28 pm

ist not an scientology school just because they use the studytec. of L.R.H. i know an normal school they use the study tec ...
i will say that just because you didnt really know it, its bad

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Post by lucid1 » Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:12 am

Dito...here's a link to the Clearwater Academy, they go to 12th grade I believe. :)
http://www.clearwateracademy.org/index-oth.shtml
Kind regards,
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