Who loves Clay Demos!?

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Ladybird
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Post by Ladybird » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:25 pm

You just don't know what a clay demo is until you have done the "Key To Life" course.

Try to clay demo all 5 thousand definitions including but not limited to the third person singulars of the word "is". (or was it "be"?) No wonder Clinton got confused.

Yep, 12 thousand dollars to sit for months playing with used clay that somebody probably did not wash their hands before using, clay demoing every single definition of every single adjective, noun, verb, pronoun, derivation, etiology, grammatical rule and concept, etc..etc. You are only allowed this priveledge AFTER you have word cleared M-1 through M-9 an entire Junior High level English Grammer book full of unartistic and unamusing pictures.

"Superliterate" is (or was, or might be) the EP (End Phenomenon) of KTL.

Tedious and confusing and useless is my opinion. I could spell and speak and think much better before doing the KTL.

Maybe that is the point?

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Post by Hubbard's Mushroom » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:32 pm

The point is that scientologists were so brainwashed
that they would pay money to do stupid things because
Hubbard told them to.

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Post by pitbull » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:34 am

Bottom line is that traning takes way to long considering that most do not have any interest in actually becoming professional auditiors. Besides, almost no one makes it as a pro auditor since most PC go to the orgs, so what's the point?

Even Ron said it best that one of the biggest barriers to study was
TOO LONG A RUNWAY.
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Post by no_8c_now » Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:11 am

Pitbull = killfile (my imaginery one for now)

Clay demos, oh what a joke those were. Did anyone actually "get it" now they could do it in clay? Oh fer gawds sake, these were the biggest waste of time I had in the course room. I usually could picture totally how I would do the clay demo in a short time and then spend all this time rolling out hard dried out clay into what I decided to do. Absolutely no value at all.

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Post by Escaped » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:49 pm

Ahhhhh Clay Demos:

It brings back memories - Playing with clay, asking permission to go to the bathroom, laughing at the stupid teacher (uhhhh - course sup.), students calling each other names, snitching to the the teacher about other students. Just like kindergarten, and about as educational. No wait a minute, I learned more useful stuff in kindergarten.

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Post by programmer_guy » Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:54 am

Clay demos are silly. Even worse was the demo kit. They are worthless, IMO.

When I took a class in automobile automatic transmissions at a local community college, many many years ago, we used actual transmissions to rebuild. Also, in the beginning, the instructor had a real "cut away" version of an old Ford C-4 transmission (used in 1960s and early 1970s Ford Mustangs and Mercury Cougars) on a stand to demonstrate how a Simpson Planetary Gear Train works. A clay demo would have been worthless for this AND a demo kit would be stupid.
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Post by Ltricha1 » Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:44 pm

I have always (Since leaving the cult and finding out the truth) that clay demoing was part of the negative reinforcement of questioning hubbard.

The whole practice of word clearing is to condition a mind to read and accept what is read as 100% truth unquestioningly.
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Post by pitbull » Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:50 pm

Actually KTL is more BRILLIANT BS to keep people busy for a long long time.

Someone comes in the org with a "problem" then instead of going into session to quickly resolve it, they get into a years long side-stepping program of purif, student hat, method one, pts sp, ethics specialist course...

That is, unless they get roped in the the KRT LOC line-up. Being told how great the "cog" is and how it will help them FLY up the rest of the bridge.

But this flying costs thousands and a good chunk of time and the poor bloke still has the same issues that led him into the church.

Its total bait and switch.
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Post by Ball of Fluff » Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:08 am

I like 'em.

One thing students in CofS courserooms and academies sometimes forget- the "study tech" actually says that when a person is having trouble with a concept that "the more usual thing" is to go work it out in clay.

Like a self assigned clay demo.

I've done it, and it did seem to help.

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Post by Galileo » Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:43 am

When I did KTL we only used clay to do the clay table auditing of problems definitions.

If I had had to clay demo all the definitions of little words I would have flown back home.

For me KTL was a huge waste of time with very little positive results.

Lke Fluffy I used clay while in the CoS to work out some difficult concepts, but I could have done the same with a demo kit, and a demo kit is much faster to use. My first choice for demoing is drawing on paper, and if that doesn't work I use pieces of stuff like a demo kit. Clay takes too damned long and I have never needed to use more than a demo kit for even the most difficult concepts.

Ya know, doing clay demos wouldn't be half bad if you didn't have to make all those little labels for everything. How stupid! :?

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Post by programmer_guy » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:01 am

If one can conceptualize things well (mock it up in your own mind) then one doesn't need to do a clay demo... it's a waste of time. Besides, this was about "getting mass" which IMO one gets from the actual setting, or actual object under study.

Pictures, diagrams, and drawings are more efficient time-wise. Making clay demos is too slow. The only "mass" one needs is the actual thing itself.
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Post by mr_bad » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:10 pm

To me, clay demos were always annoying. They just slowed me down. Then the moronic course supervisors, who just didn't get it, were always in danger of getting pelted in the back of the head with a wad of clay.

Also demo kits....extremely annoying. Never could see the point.

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Post by Ladybird » Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:42 am

A good clay demo is art...if you have to explain it you didn't catch and communicate the conceptual essence of what you meant to portray. Language should be irrelevant. So should the labels. Duhhh... if you are going to put a greasy little label on it because otherwise no one will know what it is, why not just roll up some balls of clay and label them? Why even bother trying to make it look like a BT or whatever...

Regardless, we are not all artists, and the poor supes who have to check out and and "*" rate pass these clay table abominations 14 hours a day/7days a week are protected by LRH tech in the HCOBs "Clay Table Training" and "Clay Table Work in Training".
HCOB 17 AUG AD 14 "Clay Table Work In Training And Processing"
...
"*Any* part of the mind can be represented by a piece of clay or a white
card. The mass parts are done by clay, the significance or thought
parts by label.


"A piece of clay and a label are usually *both* used for any part of the
mind. A thin-edged ring of clay with a large hole in it is usually used
to signify a pure significance.
...
"*Any part of the mind or any term in Scientology can be demonstrated
on a clay table.*
...
"*Anything* can be so demonstrated if you work at it. And just by working
on *how* to demonstrate it or make it into clay and labels brings about
renewed understanding.


"In the phrase "how do I represent it in clay" is contained the secret of
the teaching. If one can represent it in clay, one understands it. If one
can't, one really doesn't understand what it is. So clay and labels work
only if the term or things are truly understood. And working them out
in clay brings about an understanding of them.
...
L. RON HUBBARD
Founder"

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Flunk, Hubtoad, FLUNK!!!

Real art communicates and does not require labels to explain its significance.

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Post by programmer_guy » Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:56 am

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Clay model this! (Mercedes-Benz CLK, automatic transmission, cut-away model)

And I can post more details of the basic Simpson gear train internals if you want.

BTW, this transmission has NO bands... only clutches, different than the old Ford C4. (Having no bands and only clutches makes gear "shifting" more smooth.)

Trying to clay model the double planetary (Simpson) gear train of an automatic transmission is a gross waste of time.
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Post by programmer_guy » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:16 am

Ladybird wrote: Real art communicates and does not require labels to explain its significance.
As an ASHO HPCSC graduate, I had frequently flunked students for labeling things. So, I know what you are talking about.

But now, I think that clay demos are inadequate.
codo ergo sum.

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