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Post by 'Alert' » Fri May 12, 2006 3:00 am

OKAY FOLKS..HERE COMES SOME COMPARISONS
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A few hours since I posted the above and yes a few drinks later and I'm going to leave you all with a somewhat bitter eval of this board, that will prob finish of this topic and my time here for good.

You've actually done me a great favour Galileo by starting this topic and therefore ending the endless bs that was occuring on the other thread.

You know what I feel free. Yes, after two weeks of totally immersing myself in this board, I realise it's done me no good whatsoever. I've never drank as much, or stayed up posting all night etc, to the detriment of even eating, sleeping as I have on the two weeks I've spent here.

With a few notable exceptions, and those people know who they are, I feel I have been treated awfully here. I introduced myself with the thread about my suicide attempts, etc, tried to explain how bad I was. Got some glowing, but ultimately fatuous, in the most part welcomes, that made me feel 'Yes' I've finally found a place to connect with people who will understand.
How wrong can you be.

For someone with serious mental health issues, I feel I've behaved exceedingly well here. Expressed myself honestly and openly only to be attacked when I opened up 'too much' for some people.
I made a slight faux pas of criticising one of your esteemed members. Then the pack mentality slowy reared it's ugly head.
As I said, you've behaved like a closed minded cult (Not everyone, but unfortunately some of your most vocal, and probably least intelligent members).

In short I'm glad to be going. I feel a weight has been lifted off my shoulders from being in such a dark place as this. I know a lot of you suffered far more than I ever did with scienos, so maybe that's why you're more than a little weird. Someone once told me that Scientology attracts people with un-diagnosed mental illnesses and I'm beginning to think that was a fair assessment.

The whole experience here has left me so disillusioned with anti-scienos that I aint even going to post on FactNet any more, despite dipping into there for years. As far as I'm concerned Scientology can go to Hell and is doing so quite nicely, without any help from me. But as a site supposedly dedicated to helping people (with the few notable execeptions!), you've actually all done me far more harm than good and I'm totally relieved to be over this place.

Never again will I open up on a forum to total strangers as I did here.

I asked you all in a post if you had learnt anything from my experiences here. One of you took that to mean arrogance, others simply to ridicule.
What a joke it all was for you. Well I hope the next vulnerable, but critical person who appears here doesn't experience the same thing, but somehow I doubt it.

You've failed me badly and I'm as glad to leave here as I was to leave the Sea Org. The murky and f##ked up world of Scienos just doesn't interest me anymore and you're all welcome to carry on what you believe is your good fight, yet failing to help someone in genuine need.

Good bye and good riddance.

As one of your 'esteemed' helpers (!) stated don't let the door slam your ass on the way out.
Quite and it about sums up this site. Claire says some of the things she reads here actually make scientology appealing----Well, if she wants to find that evil appealing, good luck to her, but I take her point.

And I think there was a dramatic shift in the way I was treated as soon as I admitted I was a Christian (albeit highly conflicted). That got a lot of your goats didn't it!

As I said, you've failed here big time. Learn from it but somehow I think many of you are either too blind, arrogant or deluded to do.

Now, goodbye from Tony. Troll, Spaz and OSA plant.
I'm sure the majority in typical cult mentality will close ranks and attack everything I've done without once asking yourself, is there a grain of truth at least in what I'm saying. Too much reality that I think and might just undermine your whole cosy little universe.

Tragically, I've seen it all before too many times.
WHERE WERE YOU PHILIPE?
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Post by 'Alert' » Fri May 12, 2006 3:02 am

BUT WAIT....THERE'S SO MANY MORE TONEY'S
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You've proven yourself willing to lie any time it suits your purpose

Diane. I just read your post on the "feedback section" and you spoke a lot of sense in my opinion. I even publically agreed with you.

Then I read something like the above and remember you only yesterday stated:

You have no problem admitting in public you'll flout any law that isn't in your interest to obey.

Now, without rehashing all that [as you rightly observed, battle commenced, blood was drawn, victors were declared and the laurels fit fine, thanks], why should I trust you when it seems you're far from impartial and prone to flinging wild accusations.

Would you agree that your above quote about me was a wild exaggeration? Admit the obvious and I for one will treat you with more respect.

I'm not here to blindly support Tom or anyone else.

But I can smell BS when it's present.
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Post by 'Alert' » Fri May 12, 2006 3:04 am

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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 12:41 am Post subject:
Hi Nec, course it's answered, but I don't think I needed it from you.

Listen guys, Galileo's right, I overreacted. That isn't excusing his statements or it's remarkably bad timing, but I overreacted.

We're all human. We all screw up. I DO OFTEN. I try to be consistent (Keep using that word, but It is a biggie to me!), but I also do/will fail occasionally.

My criticism of the board above isn't consistent. It's also too idealistic and unrealistic. I'm (once again!) idolizing, in a way, the seniors here, expecting them to be something more than 'human.' Expecting them to intervene in every potential trouble situation, evaluate it, see it from both sides, Judge, then intervene with wise and 'holy' words and end it fairly.
Actually I think I'm talking more about God (Seriously!) than I am about a bunch of human being running a message board??

See how religion colours everything for me?

Solution to all this. Remain in 'Toney's Corner' (Image of School corner, face against the wall with dunce's cap seems to pop up!), and answer anyone who pops by. People who are interested will drop by..Those who aren't won't. Good solution.

Thanks for the 'Rational Recovery' Recovered. I've checked it out, looks interesting.

AI, good luck with your 'new unified field theorom.' As I've said interactions on the Net, their ability to affect you deeply, even though you don't know the other person, the whole scene, is worthy of a Doctoral Thesis in Psychology. How else do you explain 'how many people meet and end up falling in love with someone on the Net? We live in a fragmented, distrustful society where by and large, communication with real people is breaking down. Step forward the Net!

Lucy thanks for your words. Very helpful. Hope your 'revised' email wasn't too caustic?

"So [again] I think you might be an asset to the board sharing insights into clinical depression. People generally do not understand it well at all."

Very true. Hard enough to understand for those who have it let alone other's! Though I have to explain! And sod it for not opening up! I was diagnosed with 'Severe and Chronic Clinical Depression.' Hence the 'Anti-D's.' Found out (Accidently, from a different psyche when I was in hospital on my third overdose last year that he disagreed with that diagnosis and that I have (Apparently) a personality disorder). Now I checked with my regular psyche and he told me that 'Yes, he agreed also with that diagnosis but didn't want to tell me because it would 'lable' me. In short, I was labouring under a delusion all those years (9) about what was really going on and it also explains why the Anti-dep's didn't work.

Still researching what 'Personality Disorder' really means. It's an incredibly broad field. But still depression is part of it, so maybe I can help twice as many people.

Thing is, I was seen by a psyche when I left the forces and he gave me a totally clean bill of mental health. But strange childhood, cults etc and problems can and usually do come out in later life.

"You have made more than a few friends, and from personal experience I can tell you those people really do care."

Thanks. I suppose that's all any of us are looking for in the end.

BTW, you mention to me in the 'Standard Tech outside COS' thread about prising a 'Win' out of you. I don't remember that one at all, or sorry, but to me it wasn't significant or I skimmed your post. Whatever, I'm sure, especially with the significance you attached to it's value in identifying you, that probably raised further suspicions. It seems I can't move without treading on someone's toes!!

More later for anyone interested......

(Only hope some disparaging s##t hasn't been posted while I've been typing this - s'pose it will test my powers of resolve not to get involved.)
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Post by 'Alert' » Fri May 12, 2006 3:11 am

Toney is a master of manipulation..check the date first posted at the very top of the following post...then refer to the time at the base of the amount of weeks that passed before Toney went and edited his post.
Toney

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This was Private Messaged to me today and posted with permission. This person I believe exemplifies many of the lurkers and the "quiet" people around here who do understand, unlike the minority of "empty vessels who make the most noise". And I'm not referring to J. Swift or other's I highlighted. That minority knows who they are.

Witness empathy:


Quote:
Dear Toney,
I haven't posted on the OC Board - too nervous too put myself out there - but I am extremely empathetic and can absolutely relate to every word you wrote these last couple of days ( I plan to read your old posts as well to get the whole story). You seem like a beautiful and wise soul. On the one hand I want to reach out (which is why I'm writing), on the other hand, I'm afraid of offending you/embarrassing myself. I'm pretty much a social chicken these days, but I related so much to you trying to get through to those jerks on the board about the utter devastation and debilitation these types of conditions cause - that I just had to break through my social fear and tell you. I understand you - completely (well, as completely as two strangers can)!
I too suffer from serious clinical depression, as well as a few other debilitating severe mental disorders. I have been dealing with them since early childhood but only discovered when I was 33 just how bad and exactly what.
I am now 35, living in xxxxxxxxx - originally from xxxxxxx. My mother and my relatives from her side are all from England (which I see is where you are at now). It must be absolutely horrific trying to deal with what you are dealing with especially since the bombings in London. I was in DC during the whole sniper thing after 911 and that was terrifying. My boyfriend was supposed to be at the Home Depot store exactly when that Federal agent lady was shot, but our bank account was too low so he postponed. Anyhow - I digress...
I was in your exact (well not exact - duh - that would be ridiculous - sorry for the exaggeration) shoes a year ago and could think of nothing more than how could I get out of this life (commit suicide) without hurting anybody. I have a boyfriend and my Mother, Brother and Sister are still alive... I just deeply and desperately wanted out of this existance. Everything was overwhelming and underwhelming all at once. Couldn't eat (cook, yea right), laid in bed 23 hours a day - taking a bath was an event. I just couldn't believe how trapped I felt and wanted out right now!
I was too afraid of what was on the other side as well. I lean toward beliefs like yours, but what if I was wrong and who knows! I have yet to find the kind of confidence you have in God. I kept asking my boyfriend to give me permission. I thought about how was the best way... The whole nine yards.
I want it to be better for you right now (just me being selfish). I would love to know more about your case. I am not a Scientologist, but I have studied the human body in many different ways for 16 years, and I may be able to think of something to help that you haven't tried yet. I know you aren't looking for advice - I just can't help myself. You seem so kind and I just can't stand the waste of your life if it is something that could be helped.

I at least want you to know you have a new stranger friend, and I will say prayers for you (and I hardly ever pray!), regardless of what you do. You seem wonderful and special and I hope everything turns out for the best.

Sincerely and Respectfully,

xxxxxxxxx


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Post by 'Alert' » Fri May 12, 2006 3:16 am

Links to the identities that toney used I have thus far found
viewtopic.php?p=76014&highlight=#76014
search Mactoney toneyone jules. Interesting when you search the archives
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Post by RealityWillTell » Fri May 12, 2006 3:18 am

nullportal wrote: unrelated :bs:
It's try anything day at the osa eh?
Philipe Luserne wrote:The Internet will be policed, managed and closely monitored. The technology to do so will soon be available. Yes, this will involve widespread international co-operation, but the will is there already. Parents are sick to death of their children typing in even the most innocuous words, only to be deluged with pornographic filth and violence beyond even an adult's imagination. Passwords and security filters have been found to be inadequate, so the only solution is removal of such filth and if need be, going the way of China in forcing search engines to block access to sites that can't be removed.


Complete tripe.
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Post by 'Alert' » Fri May 12, 2006 3:37 am

RealityWillTell wrote:
Philipe Luserne wrote:The Internet will be policed, managed and closely monitored. The technology to do so will soon be available. Yes, this will involve widespread international co-operation, but the will is there already. Parents are sick to death of their children typing in even the most innocuous words, only to be deluged with pornographic filth and violence beyond even an adult's imagination. Passwords and security filters have been found to be inadequate, so the only solution is removal of such filth and if need be, going the way of China in forcing search engines to block access to sites that can't be removed.


Complete tripe.
Agreed!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet2

Internet2 or UCAID (University Corporation for Advanced Internet Development) is a non-profit consortium which develops and deploys advanced network applications and technologies, mostly for high-speed data transfer. It is led by 207 universities [1] in the United States and partners from the networking (Cisco Systems), publishing (Prous Science) and technology industries (such as Comcast, Intel, Sun Microsystems). Some of the technologies it has developed include IPv6, IP multicasting and quality of service. "Internet2" is a registered trademark.

Internet2 (and its members) created the Abilene Network and frequently collaborates with the National LambdaRail (NLR) project. In fact, Internet2 and National LambdaRail are planning to merge sometime soon, which likely means somewhere in the 2006-2009 timeline. More information about discussions of the future Internet2/NLR merger is available at the official Internet2 website [2]. Another document summarizing the merger discussions as of early July 2005 is available here.

Internet2 relationship to the Abilene Network

In light of a recent series of lawsuits filed by the Recording Industry Association of America against university students attending several of the major participants in Abilene, there has been a recent trend in the media to report on a network called "Internet2." Some sources go so far as to suggest Internet2 is a network wholly separate from the Internet. This is misleading since Internet2 is in fact a consortium and not a computer network. It is possible that many news sources have adopted the term Internet2 because it seems like a logical name for a next-generation Internet backbone. Articles that reference Internet2 as a network are in fact referring to the previously mentioned network backbone known as the Abilene Network. This forms a high-speed backbone by deploying many of the technologies developed by Internet2. Abilene, although a private network used for education and research, is not entirely an isolated network, since its members usually provide alternative access to many of their resources through the public Internet. Abilene is not technically part of the Internet since it does not peer with the public Internet networks.

The Abilene project is supported greatly by Qwest Communications through the use of Qwest's optical fiber networks. Internet2's Abilene transport agreement with Qwest is due to expire somewhere around October of 2007
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Post by arc_triangle » Fri May 12, 2006 3:45 am

nullportal,

I had not seen that invocational instance pre-emptive to my post, so I stand corrected.

I abase myself, with regard to my former impropriety and apologise unreservedly.

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Post by Philipe Luserne » Fri May 12, 2006 4:04 am

Alert what is your point, other than to show that Toney is a man with deep rooted problems stretching back many years? That is all your reposted posts from Toney have proven. I’m so pleased I have an apparent ally proving my cause.

Toney has never used the nick “Mactoney�, but as to the rest of his three handles, you are quite correct.

Quote Alert: “then refer to the time at the base of the amount of weeks that passed before Toney went and edited his post.� End Quote,

Yes, tellingly enough it was the date he erased the majority of all his posts here. Big friggin deal. Anymore interesting conspiracy theories to share, because these are looking quite desperate?

Alert you strike me as a very bitter and angry person with what can almost be called a vendetta against Toney, who did nothing wrong to you, other than to cross-swords with you on this thread. You obviously took it deeply personal, despite the horrendous things you said to him and now seem hell bent to destroy him.

What’s the matter Alert? Are you just another here trying to push Toney towards his grave?

“Master of manipulation� indeed. You’re the only person attempting to manipulate I see here and it’s backfired on you quite spectacularly.

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Post by 'Alert' » Fri May 12, 2006 4:19 am

well phil...you speak for toney in such a way you have EVERY thought HE has...if you are going to refer to my 'dealings' with toney in this thread..how about YOU post what he wrote in response to me..in fact, since you 'claim' to have copied ALL toney's posts...you'll have no problem posting those attecking me and calling me names..will you?!?!
As for the MacToney nick...its Mac<space>Toney. If your going to continue in your 'campagn'..how about you 'backed' the accusations you make in relation to toney's treatment with posting what he deleted.
How convienient you show up just after toney deleted his posts..yet you have had 'contact' with toney for some time..but NEVER 'chimed in' until now. So in closing..I await you posting toneys EXACT posts in his 'tussle' with me, and I give you permission to post what I said in relation to toney.
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Post by 'Alert' » Fri May 12, 2006 4:24 am

Philipe Luserne wrote: Quote Alert: “then refer to the time at the base of the amount of weeks that passed before Toney went and edited his post.� End Quote,

Yes, tellingly enough it was the date he erased the majority of all his posts here. Big friggin deal. Anymore interesting conspiracy theories to share, because these are looking quite desperate?
Yes phil...toney EDITED out specifics..he didnt DELETE it. So the 'conpiracy' you are trying to 'debunk' still looks likely...if not possible...if not PROBABLE.
Edited: "big friggin deal" huh? hmmmmm interesting to say the least.
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Post by Hubbard's Mushroom » Fri May 12, 2006 4:35 am

"well phil...you speak for toney in such a way
you have EVERY thought HE has."

No shit Sherlock.

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Post by Hubbard's Mushroom » Fri May 12, 2006 4:36 am

Do you think they are butt buddies?

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Post by magoo1 » Fri May 12, 2006 4:43 am

The Internet will be policed, managed and closely monitored.
The true product of Scientology: "Policed, managed, and closely
monitored".

Granted, the kid scene is bad news, and that's something parents need
to educate their kids on. One time Scientology sent me to the Jewish
Federation here in LA (They wanted to see if this group named Scientology as a CULT). However, the entire day was showing how
They had spent a week-end teaching young kids how to SEE bad Web
sites, before they got suckered in. I'll never forget it, as the kids seemed
SO "At cause" ...the opposite of Scientology kids, really. I returned to tell
OSA about it, and suggest they learn from this organization, and do the same thing. Of course, typical of Scientology, they can't ever learn from others...so they didn't do it.

But your post seems to be trying to spread fear here, and guess what?
IF ANYONE WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, IT WILL BE SCIENTOLOGY
Here on the Net, for ALL the lies and falsehoods they have produced,
day after day, week after week, year after YEAR.

Re Suicide....I still say anyone in a condition where they feel they want to take their own life, NEEDS to SEE a professional. No one here is going to help anyone in that condition. www.xenu.net wasn't set up for that, never said it was, never will be.

Why you're here ragging on people, I'm not sure. You SAID, quite a few times now, "I'm done"...yet I keep reading more and more.

You want to help Toney? Well then why are you posting here?
I cannot imagine a true mental health professinal digging up upsets
and posting about them. It just isn't professional, at all.

I know why you say nasty things, and here's my response to your
name calling: The one person you've shaken your finger at,
and here's my answer: Don't like me? TAKE A # !!

Tory/Magoo~~ 8)

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Post by 'Alert' » Fri May 12, 2006 4:48 am

Check out RIPOBD's thead about being 'fairgamed' HM...there's much more to phil than meets the eye.
What would be truly hilarious is if IP and DNS and ISP traceroutes lead back to the same denominator
PORT 80 via 'telnet' anyone?
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