I always thought that too Desert Rain, but the kids love them!

The have this character called "Dorothy the Dinosaur".



My daughter was infatuated with her and much to my disgust, "dorothy" was the first word my daughter spoke. Not "mum" or "dad" but bloody "dorothy", although it sounded like "doaty"

Kids!

I understand completely!

It took years to get "Barney" (the purple dinosaur) out of my mind after my son grew out of it.

Thanks for putting things into perspective and for just being you Tory. One of the first videos I watched on xenutv.com was your "first picket" video:

http://xenutv.com/interviews/tory-boston.htm

In that video, it made an impression on me how you decided to picket with your friends even though you didn't necessarily like the signage Bob was using and ALL of his opinions re $cientology. Even though you were just declared, you had already attained a realization that, IMO, many ex-$cios are still struggling to grasp: (Maybe the OSA goons messing with you while you were sitting in the car helped out!) All types of people are attracted to this cause because Co$ truly is a bad thing; Ex-$cios and critics shouldn't let petty differences of opinion distract from the matter at hand and that is exposing $cientology. We're a unified front and need each other to accomplish the mutual goal of seeing Co$ get its day in court.

I see what Lulu means. There are people for whom posting to forums about Scn or other debate forums, is a game.

It's not true of everyone but then again, Lulu did not say that it was.

This is what Hubbard taught scientologists about games.
A wog reality check might be a good thing...


++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++

So, oh, by the way, every once in a while - here's a little trick for you
just in passing on that particular point of gravity - once in a while
you'll send a preclear up to the moon, and Earth and sun, you know, doing a
Grand Tour, and you get - you get a fascinating reaction from him if he is
really on the ball.

There's a space station on the back of the moon-that's space station
thirty-three - and it has corridors and observatory domes and a lot of
other things, a lot of odds and ends. But these corridors are on different
levels. So that we have a hallway, you see, a corridor, and then we have
one which is maybe twelve or fifteen feet above the level. You see, the
next level.

-- L. Ron Hubbard 1954-12-21
ANATOMY OF GAMES, PART I

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Morsicle, an anonymous newbie says:
One point we shouldn’t lose in all this:

There is a group on this board dedicated to getting the spotlight off of the cult and onto the critics anyway it can.

It had gained some traction for a while but let’s not fall for it again. This is an Opinion and Debate Board. Topic: $cientology. It is not the Documented Proof Board, Sworn Affidavit Board, Only Properly “Cleared” Information Can Be Discussed Board, The Do Not Speculate Board etc.

Folks, the Tigger Op is out of gas.

OCMB is NOT supposed to be a BULLSHIT AND DEAD AGENT MESSAGE BOARD.


If there were an Op, who is it more likely to be:

Poster 1, who has posted on OCMB and a.r.s. for almost seven years, whose real name, home address,e-mail address and telephone no. are known and whose critical resume' is available with proof since 1991 and who doesn't go around spreading bullshit that other posters are OSA.

or

Poster No. 2 ....An anonymous unknown who showed up in APRIL, 2006, who makes absurd claims and spreads bullshit over and over again.....which he can not prove......that several posters, including Poster No. 1, are OSA ops
and who promotes unfounded fear and paranoia?

Tigger

She could use me too, cos I post a lot of speculation. Meself- I think it's rather obvious I'm blowing breeze like on the Molestation thread. It's a lot of conjecture, but it really can't be classified as falsehood because it isn't posted as fact. I have noticed that people who have been processed by Scientology have trouble understanding metaphor, analogy, conjecture, extrapolation, parable, other abstractions of thought. This is a symptom of sociopathy, and one of the reasons I refer to the condition Scientology imposes on it's clients as "pseudo-sociopathy". Such a person may not be able to tell the difference between a speculation and a declaration. There has been a lot of infighting here because of this, I have noticed.

Probably the people who post L. Ron's own words are helping everybody here the most. Hubbard impugns himself.

Love,

Os

Tigger,

I can't imagine you ever being "out of gas".

I like the info you bring here (and elsewhere).

You are THE person who pointed out many things about LMT (with documentation) that opened my eyes. I don't agree with you on everything (mostly I do) BUT I certainly appreciated the info.

Best regards,
Larry

Actually Tigger, you have implied I'm OSA or insane, but that is beside the point...that is just you attacking the person and not the message...

How about we can do this Tigger?

You PM me your known phone # and a good time to call you, (...or tell me where to find your real name, home address and telephone #, ...I don't know)

...or, I will PM you my un-listed phone # with your PM request for it with good times to call.

I would like to talk with you.

L o v e,
Charles

Bob Minton, frankly, is a good example of someone who posted bullshit and tried to pass it off as fact.

Remember "Dorian"?

I also remember he used to write these long diatribes about Scientology and post them to ARS. It was very annoying to people who actually were exes to be lectured to by this guy who had never actually been in Scientology.

Was Minton lecturing to 'you' as an ex? ...or lecturing to a larger audience?

I've read a bit of what he wrote and don't remember finding him without an understanding of how a mind-control cult 'works'. I think anyone of above average intelligence could spend just a day with good sources on the subject and come away with a fair understanding.

The 'new' language/confusion/programming, isolation/disconnection, group dynamics/goals, subtle intimidation, hypnotic 'exercises'...but I'm not really educated on the subject.

Was Minton possibly guilty in some regards of 'talking down' to the people he wanted to help? You are really making a point to me here on this thread that you need to have been through the Scientology experience to relate with an Ex-Scientologist regarding the actual personal experience. I very much agree if that is so.

A person needs to have been through the Scientology experience to have actually 'felt' it, to speak about it in a first-hand way that only the initiated would know, ...but not to understand it I believe.

I have an exercise I've been doing for a quarter century. I 'meditate' myself into another person's perspective/being. Might be a girlfriend, relative, political leader, etc., I find it critical in my life to learn 'seeing' wearing another's 'shoes'.

I sometimes will read/view a post here wearing anothers 'shoes', ...it is how I choose to live and learn.

I've also 'meditated' myself into what I perceive as a Sea Org/Hubbard being.

I believe I have maybe touched upon the Scientologist 'high'. It is like the 'high' one feels when in the disassociative state, but in a more functional and permanent condition.

Am I way 'off-base' here?

Wasn't it a waking breathing living in a disassociative state created and maintained by the old man's 'tech'?

Keeping 'you' so wrapped-up tight you couldn't stop to think for yourself? The 'tech' designed to not allow for a person to think for themself? ...or the physical time to?

Leaving only the 'dream-mind' somewhat outside of Hubbard's control for which Hubbard's 'handling' of that inconvenience was to almost not address it at all, and when he did to discount it as nonsense and even called it 'treason' in his poetry. That proved to me he was well aware of the 'dream-mind/being'.

Any 'sorcerer', good or bad, is well aware of the 'dream-being' and Hubbard has shown me he was very aware of that natural nemesis.

L o v e,
Charles

Emma, I thought that The Wiggles JPEG was a creepy Photoshop. I was scared. Then I realized it was no Photoshop. Now I'm on a strict regimen of Valium, warm milk, and ECT. Hopefully I'll be sane again, but only time will tell.

Careful, Lulu, you're getting into dangerous waters here. Can't ever criticize Bob Minton here, ya know.

I thought he was sincere and I thought he cared. He spent a lot of money combatting CofS.

But I agree with what Lulu has said, also.

I read the Dorian and son of Dorian stuff. I also read this one post that he used to cut and paste and post to a.r.s. periodically and it was pretty flawed, but the Dorian stuff was the worst dog's dinner, ever. It was a real lapse in judgment for him to post that.

There is a place for anyone to criticize or critique something- in this case Scn. And they don't have to have been members to be able to have something to contribute. I've seen brilliant critics who were never in Scn and I've seen idiots who'd spent a lot of time in it- on critical forums.

But in the case of the brilliant and effective never-been-in critics, well, they did their homework.

Oh gawd. That long thing.

"Scientology vs. Democracy Redux"

He must have posted it 100 times.

LOL....Yeah you better watch out, Lulu Belle....Arnie will put yuon his "Sociopath" list.

Minton may have posted it, but did he write it? I've heard Stacy Brooks was his ghost writer for a lot of things.

Tigger