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Gumbythetruth wrote:
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Gumby hon, it's ok.

I'm really not offended. Yeah, it's not entirely kosher but it's really alright, rose has her/his heart in the right place I think.
Jd. Its just the tip of this sordid iceberg, that has been festering for sometime. IMO, it is not OK to "Quote" an individual and add to their quote. I will stand by my comment. While it may be OK on other internet threads,it is IMO not OK here.

Editing, Altering or manipulating another's comment is NOT OK.


Gumby -- I'm sorry, dude! Seriously, I did NOT mean to upset you and thought that style of returning comment was very, very common and not a big deal. I'm pretty sure JaneDoe's seen it before (back me up here! Please)... If it's not permitted or not seen within this culture, I am really, really sorry for having done it, but it's NOT done with an intent to deceive in any way!

It immediately followed JD's post, was clearly marked with bold, with the "fix'd" added afterward... I followed form, really! It's just a rhetorical internet expression...

Yikes. Can someone please, please explain this to Gumby, because all of a sudden he seems to think I'm evil, and I am deadly serious that I had NO idea that would set him off like that, and I certainly didn't intend it that way!

(hands up in the air) I get it. I get it. That's not the way things are done around here. I'm sorry! Really!

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moontaco wrote:
Gumbythetruth wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
Gumby hon, it's ok.

I'm really not offended. Yeah, it's not entirely kosher but it's really alright, rose has her/his heart in the right place I think.
Jd. Its just the tip of this sordid iceberg, that has been festering for sometime. IMO, it is not OK to "Quote" an individual and add to their quote. I will stand by my comment. While it may be OK on other internet threads,it is IMO not OK here.

Editing, Altering or manipulating another's comment is NOT OK.

You may not think so, but it's not altering the comment to deceive--if it were, the person would not boldface the change and point out that the quote was "fixed" (or fixd, or fixt, or whatever). It's a way of making an editorial comment that many people use. I understand it's a confusing concept for you, but just cos you don't get it doesn't mean nobody else does.
I do not agreed with you Moontaco!


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Gumbythetruth wrote:
I trust Tory with both my full name and telephone number. Tory's track record as an outspoken critic, IMO speaks for itself.

Tory earned my respect and trust long before all this Anon paranoia came along.

If you truly believe in your individual reason for railing against $cientology, you would be proud of your name, your stance and who you are!

Just look around you for a moment. Look and see all the brave individual's who use their name in their efforts to expose scientology for what it is.


I trust her as much also Gumby. But I also understand the Anon when it comes to being anonymous. I don't think it makes them any less a critic than I am. I choose a different path but there's is every much as valid.


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Well, Gumby, hon, you seem to be really upset with me.

What's needed when something goes south is:

1) Demonstrating sincere remorse
2) Demonstrating understanding of how one has hurt the other
3) Amends

I'm sorry I upset you, Gumby. I really am. It was not intentional, but obviously something about that manner of posting alarms you. Perhaps some sense that someone would manipulate or attempt to deceive. I assure you that I didn't intend to do so, but obviously, I've frightened you in that manner, and was insensitive to how that might come across to you.

I am truly sorry for doing something which had that effect on you, because had I known, I would have phrased it quite differently.

How can I make it up to you, Gumby? Or assure you in some way that my intentions are honorable? Is there something I can do? You're welcome, of course, to look through all my post history and see that this issue is not the one and only thing I'm here to discuss.

I really don't know what I can do, given that we don't know each other, but want to assure you that my intent is NEVER, EVER simply to go out and upset others. I try to make sure ALL my posts have some sort of signal-to-noise ratio that makes them at least worth reading.

Sorry, Gumby. Please relax if you can. I meant no harm.

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WhiteRose wrote:
Gumbythetruth wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
Gumby hon, it's ok.

I'm really not offended. Yeah, it's not entirely kosher but it's really alright, rose has her/his heart in the right place I think.
Jd. Its just the tip of this sordid iceberg, that has been festering for sometime. IMO, it is not OK to "Quote" an individual and add to their quote. I will stand by my comment. While it may be OK on other internet threads,it is IMO not OK here.

Editing, Altering or manipulating another's comment is NOT OK.


Gumby -- I'm sorry, dude! Seriously, I did NOT mean to upset you and thought that style of returning comment was very, very common and not a big deal. I'm pretty sure JaneDoe's seen it before (back me up here! Please)... If it's not permitted or not seen within this culture, I am really, really sorry for having done it, but it's NOT done with an intent to deceive in any way!

It immediately followed JD's post, was clearly marked with bold, with the "fix'd" added afterward... I followed form, really! It's just a rhetorical internet expression...

Yikes. Can someone please, please explain this to Gumby, because all of a sudden he seems to think I'm evil, and I am deadly serious that I had NO idea that would set him off like that, and I certainly didn't intend it that way!

(hands up in the air) I get it. I get it. That's not the way things are done around here. I'm sorry! Really!


Awww I never once thought you ment any harm by it White Rose.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:38 am 
WhiteRose wrote:
Gumbythetruth wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
Gumby hon, it's ok.

I'm really not offended. Yeah, it's not entirely kosher but it's really alright, rose has her/his heart in the right place I think.
Jd. Its just the tip of this sordid iceberg, that has been festering for sometime. IMO, it is not OK to "Quote" an individual and add to their quote. I will stand by my comment. While it may be OK on other internet threads,it is IMO not OK here.

Editing, Altering or manipulating another's comment is NOT OK.


Gumby -- I'm sorry, dude! Seriously, I did NOT mean to upset you and thought that style of returning comment was very, very common and not a big deal. I'm pretty sure JaneDoe's seen it before (back me up here! Please)... If it's not permitted or not seen within this culture, I am really, really sorry for having done it, but it's NOT done with an intent to deceive in any way!

It immediately followed JD's post, was clearly marked with bold, with the "fix'd" added afterward... I followed form, really! It's just a rhetorical internet expression...

Yikes. Can someone please, please explain this to Gumby, because all of a sudden he seems to think I'm evil, and I am deadly serious that I had NO idea that would set him off like that, and I certainly didn't intend it that way!

(hands up in the air) I get it. I get it. That's not the way things are done around here. I'm sorry! Really!
Thank you for your explanation. As this behavior may be culturally acceptable on other boards. I have never seen it here on Clambake. If i am wrong, could you please direct me to a thread where "Fixed that for you" has been used here on Clambake within the context of the way you used it?


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moontaco wrote:
You may not think so, but it's not altering the comment to deceive--if it were, the person would not boldface the change and point out that the quote was "fixed" (or fixd, or fixt, or whatever). It's a way of making an editorial comment that many people use. I understand it's a confusing concept for you, but just cos you don't get it doesn't mean nobody else does.


You are wise in the ways of internet culture.

+1. hehe.

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Gumbythetruth wrote:
WhiteRose wrote:
Gumbythetruth wrote:
JaneDoe wrote:
Gumby hon, it's ok.

I'm really not offended. Yeah, it's not entirely kosher but it's really alright, rose has her/his heart in the right place I think.
Jd. Its just the tip of this sordid iceberg, that has been festering for sometime. IMO, it is not OK to "Quote" an individual and add to their quote. I will stand by my comment. While it may be OK on other internet threads,it is IMO not OK here.

Editing, Altering or manipulating another's comment is NOT OK.


Gumby -- I'm sorry, dude! Seriously, I did NOT mean to upset you and thought that style of returning comment was very, very common and not a big deal. I'm pretty sure JaneDoe's seen it before (back me up here! Please)... If it's not permitted or not seen within this culture, I am really, really sorry for having done it, but it's NOT done with an intent to deceive in any way!

It immediately followed JD's post, was clearly marked with bold, with the "fix'd" added afterward... I followed form, really! It's just a rhetorical internet expression...

Yikes. Can someone please, please explain this to Gumby, because all of a sudden he seems to think I'm evil, and I am deadly serious that I had NO idea that would set him off like that, and I certainly didn't intend it that way!

(hands up in the air) I get it. I get it. That's not the way things are done around here. I'm sorry! Really!
Thank you for your explanation. As this behavior may be culturally acceptable on other boards. I have never seen it here on Clambake. If i am wrong, could you please direct me to a thread where "Fixed that for you" has been used here on Clambake within the context of the way you used it?


Sure, Gumby. I'll take a look around with the search function and see if it has been used that way here. I don't even know. BRB. Searching.

EDIT: Here's one... http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php ... light=fixd WhiteTrashMessiah used "fix'd" several times, but I haven't seen the contexts yet. Working on it.

Still searching...

EDIT2: Here's another one. http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php ... ixd#304910 He changed a post about the "jackboots of Dekalb County", bolded it, and put "fix'd" underneath.

Really, Gumby -- It never occurred to me in a million years that you would make some kind of mental connection between the quote/bold/"fix'd" thing and actual EDITING of someone else's post. They are really two completely different things, but again, I had no idea it would upset you in that manner.

That's just NOT how I roll, running around intentionally upsetting people, so again, I'm sorry. Not necessarily because I think that what I did was "wrong" but because it was obviously foreign and upsetting to you.

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SomebodyElse wrote:
moontaco wrote:
You may not think so, but it's not altering the comment to deceive--if it were, the person would not boldface the change and point out that the quote was "fixed" (or fixd, or fixt, or whatever). It's a way of making an editorial comment that many people use. I understand it's a confusing concept for you, but just cos you don't get it doesn't mean nobody else does.


You are wise in the ways of common sense.

+1. hehe.

fix'd that for you ;)


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moontaco wrote:
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moontaco wrote:
You may not think so, but it's not altering the comment to deceive--if it were, the person would not boldface the change and point out that the quote was "fixed" (or fixd, or fixt, or whatever). It's a way of making an editorial comment that many people use. I understand it's a confusing concept for you, but just cos you don't get it doesn't mean nobody else does.


You are wise in the ways of common sense.

+1. hehe.

fix'd that for you ;)


I didn't get it either, but then I am a point and click kind of guy and really don't get a lot of things.
But I do learn. Thanks


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Jerald wrote:
I have seen a lot of this post fixing. But I'm too lazy to read the definition on Encyclopedia Dramatica.

Jerald wrote:
I have seen a lot of this post fixing. But I have no sense of humor and don't recognize it as a rhetorical device.

Jerald wrote:
I have seen a lot of this post fixing. But I am a troll and am pretending not to know what it means so I can continue to stir stuff up and get lulz.


There. Fix'd that for you. Plox choose the correct option above.


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spacecootie wrote:
Jerald wrote:
I have seen a lot of this post fixing. But I'm too lazy to read the definition on Encyclopedia Dramatica.

Jerald wrote:
I have seen a lot of this post fixing. But I have no sense of humor and don't recognize it as a rhetorical device.

Jerald wrote:
I have seen a lot of this post fixing. But I am a troll and am pretending not to know what it means so I can continue to stir stuff up and get lulz.


There. Fix'd that for you. Plox choose the correct option above.


Sorry it still seems a bit rude. But to each his own I guess.

I really see no need to read encyclopedia dramatica
I kinda like my sense of humor as do those who know me.
Call me a troll if you wish. I am not now and have never been in it for what you guys call the "lulz"


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anon93752 wrote:
Hello members of OCMB. I am anon93752. I am better known as DeliciousCakeSF on Enturbulation.org. I am a mod there. For a very long time I have been reading about the events that have unfolded in the past few weeks about Tory Magoo. I find it all very unfortunate...

[propaganda snipped for space-saving purposes]

...Thank you.

anon93752 (DeliciousCaekSF),

You could have come over here and posted (anonymously) as anon93752.

Instead, you come here, ID-fag yourself as a Moderator on Enturb. (thus an Authority on the matters :roll:) and proceed to drag Enturbulation drama-faggotry here to OCMB. This is the exact thing that you, your cohorts (fellow Mods.) and the mob at Enturb. are constantly complaining about OG and OCMB'rs doing at Enturb.

Your post does only one thing here: under the phony guise of "warning" people about anonymity, setting the record "straight," blah, blah, blah, it seeks to criticize a long-time activist of Scientology. That is ALL you are doing and your motives are very transparent. If you were really just concerned about the safety of people's ID's you would have privately PM'd Tory to ask that the numbers be destroyed. This is not Enturbulation: the results of your kangaroo court there are not valid here.

I was "there" at many of the key points in this drama: there on the phone with Tory after the "rape" and I saw the posts; there on the phone with her the next day; there at her house when you and LE and TakeAnonMe and Jugular were at Tory's house enjoying her hospitality and generally acknowledging that MFB had crossed a line; I was there in the house when/where in NO WAY did Tory ask Tommy to threaten MFB;

I've been there at pickets and dinners afterwards as TA and others have chafed at wearing their masks and were eager to hand out their phone numbers... lots of people were networking: it's bullshit and lies to try to blame anyone being ID'd on a phone call from Tory. That is complete tin-foil hat faggotry or in other words: lies.

and later...

I have been there on Enturbulation where I see my posting/lurking activities reported by Moderators to OCMB/Tory/Roan hating fanatics on open threads; I've been there receiving threats to myself on Enturb. that go un-moderated as hypocrites scream to the high-heavens about Tommy G.; I was there to see the content of posts and threads changed by ?? who? ..ordinary posters and Mods alike? ..who the fuck knows; I was there to watch Moderators like VictoireFlammel facilitate and direct the lynching of Tory... she was NOT moderating the threads in an unbiased manner.

anon93752,
if you have any constructive input to share here that is actually criticising and un-dressing Scientology than you are welcome to do so. But this message board is not provided for you to drag over your Enturb. lynch-mob crap and try to foist it upon us as fact.

I'm locking this thread, now EVERYBODY please get back to and stick to undressing Scientology.

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