Yes, you were already victimized by the scientology tech. We wouldn't want you to be the victim of screaming and slobbering posters as well.

Merlin, it's good that you believe in free speech. Most of us here do. Is that not correct? That deserves only respect. It's when the likes of the those who have confirmed bogus deepthroats connected to the cultists, and attempt shut people up via Black PR campaigns
typical of OSA ops, things get
a bit suspicious -- inuendos, inferences or otherwise.

I'm also glad you see this as a public forum. That's good.

Tigger, wake up. Being on the same TARGET list of U-Mike's wrath has nothing to do with "sucking up" to anybody. I don't always share Magoo's perspectives. Nor do I always
share yours. If I share Nec's, Arnie's or assorted others' opinions of U-Mike's and PitBull's pro-$cn hidden agendas, I will state so. But that's not sucking up to anyone. Agreement on a particlar topic is not groveling my dear.

It's pretty clear to me that both you and U-Mike have a burr or 2 in your skivvies re: Tory, and want others to join in on your same personal sentiments. Is that from all that Bob M. and LMT bitterness you still harbor?

FluffyClaire, can you cite specific examples of what a "screaming and slobbering" poster is? ....keeping it narrowed to criticism of $cn? Curious.

I wasn't victimized by anything or anybody. Not in CofS, not here, not anywhere.

But accusing contributors to a forum of messing with people's kids is beyond the pale.

Particularly when it's in response to a post about CofS suing and threatening auctioneers and would be auctioners about emeters.

So just go talk to somebody about Scn, ok, and leave spurious and nasty comments about my personal life and history out of this.

TP,

Just find the posts and read 'em, then,if you want to know .OCMB has a search engine. Use it yourself. Don't bother me.

:sos:

The objective of getting people out of the $cn cult is to move them from a point of being a victim to a point of becoming a SURVIVOR!

Is that at all real to you Fluff? Or is it nonsense in your thought processes?

Anyone care to explain why someone who claims to never have been a victim keeps playing the "I'm the poor pitiful victim of screaming and slobbering posters" card?

The objective of getting people out of the $cn cult is to move them from a point of being a victim to a point of becoming a SURVIVOR!
I'm not sure I understand fully what you are trying to say here, or if I do I defenently disagree.

Are you saying that if we (the ex's) don't consider ourselves as victims, then we were never really in, or we are not really out???

Oblivion

I guess you'd have to actually find a post where the person said they were a victim. In the absence of such, then all that remains is projection.

Discussing someone's lying and being rude is not the same as being a victim, obviously. If people are rude to me, I call them on it. You'd do the same. Of this I have absolutely no doubt.

Now. Let's let the next exchange we have be about Scn, CofS, Hubbard, etc, with no personal comments. Or let's not have any.

Lions and tigers and screaming, slobbering posters to bear!
Oh my!

Padgett wrote:

It's pretty clear to me that both you and U-Mike have a burr or 2 in your skivvies re: Tory, and want others to join in on your same personal sentiments. Is that from all that Bob M. and LMT bitterness you still harbor?

Wrong again. I don't give a rat's ass who joins me or Magoo. This is between Magoo and me.

Either she can produce a list of these endless posts of "flat out lies" she claims I told about her and *others*....and I'll at least know what the H--- she's talking about.

If you want to do that for her, fine.....take it to Factnet or a.r.s.....if not, butt out.


Tigger

Ummmm...hey everybody? Thanks to Tom Cruise we have company!!!

Time to put on our best manners and put our best anti-cult foot forward.

Plenty of time later to pull each others hair and kick each others balls.

I think that considering the mix of individuals here, we are actually amazingly civilized. But it might not seem so to newbies or lurkers.

I would LOVE to do a 4 day Carnival Cruise with all of us! Stuck on a boat with each other, lots of rum punch, WOW! It would be a trip to remember!

OK, Company Manners, Please!!! For now at least?

Love, Ladybird

Well Tigger, if this is just between you and Magoo, why dontcha e-mail or call her on the phone and work it out between the 2 of ya? Logic says
you're trying to make a public debate for some purpose.

Oblivion, some here may believe Katie Holmes is a victim of Cruise's dubious recruiting
routines. The focus is not on the victim part, but rather to become survivors. Fluff on the other hand sees herself as a victim of some assorted posters who challange her motives and presence as a non-church $cieno.

Good point LadyBird, you're right. Tom Cruise has spurred a huge interest in $cn as of late. ...which will lead many to here. I'll comb my eyebrows and tone down my words a bit!

I doubt many GARA (give a rats ass)...
but here it is, Shirley...once again.
You asked for it on ARS, I posted it. Now here ya go, again. When will you give up this endless stupid BS?

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Tory/Magoo!
Senior Member
Username: Magoo1
Post Number: 2001
Registered: 1-2004
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Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 8:25 am:

Ok..Shirley..you asked for it, here ya go:

Shirley Wilson has continued to spread lies about me, and now is saying she did not. As a result, here are just a few lies and falsehoods she has stated, about me. These are from a thread she began on FACTNEt.org about me:

1)" Why can't you tell Lerma to take down his webpages that are doing OSA's work?"

This implies that I have control over Arnie Lerma's Web sites, which I had already told Shirley over and over is not true.

2)" Well I find you to not only be amazing but two faced, Tory"

I am not 'two faced",
as much as you try to create situations 'Proving" such falsehoods, that isn't true. Two faced people say one thing to a person, and another behind their backs. I say what I think. I might be wrong sometimes, but I'll tell you exactly how I feel, and it isn't two faced. That's false.

3) "You have no trouble telling people they are wrong and/or telling them they are doing OSA's work on a.r.s.
I don't see you having any problem saying what is posted on Scientology websites is bullshit."

ARS is a newsgroup…a public newsgroup where people can express their opinions, whatever they may be. A personal Web site is that person's EXPRESSIONS, posts, and information.

It is not my job to correct anyone else's Web site, no matter how much you disagree with it. YOU change it….and quit lying saying what I will and won't do about someone else's WEB SITE.

4) "So Tory, do you have a double standard? Are you a hypocrite?"
Again, Shirley is "just asking" such a question…however,..it actually makes a false statement.

5) Monday, March 01, 2004 - 06:41 am
"Tory,

So you think it's all right for Arnie to put lies on his website as long as he isn't lying about you".

Again, this is a total lie, where just because I am not jumping on Shirley's bandwagon ..telling Arnie (or anyone else) what they 'should or shouldn't' have on their own Web site, Shirley just rants on with her assumptions, and lies.

6) "Bottom Line: This ain't about you, me, or Tory".

Well, considering ALL of the above were written in ONE thread called, "What is Tory's Opinion about Attacking C of S Critics"…………..that's pretty damn definite confirmation that YES>>>This IS about "Tory". Another lie, Shirley.

This is just ONE thread, from FACTnet. Shirley has written TONS of similar lies about me, some in 'question' form, some in statements as above.
These are just a few. I've wasted enough time 'proving' them.

I'm sure Shirley will have her reasons why those are not lies. False statements ARE lies…plain and simple.
My question is why? Why is it that Shirley Wilson is obsessed about spreading lies about me?

I'll accept an apology now, that I've wasted the time to post just a snippet of your many lies and falsehoods about me. Why ~are~ you wasting your time doing this? What IS your reason?

What a waste of time. As I said a few years ago, whether you are working with OSA (which I doubt), or they are using you........you ARE forwarding their programs of spreading falsehoods about critics and distracting people off of ANYTHING but Scientology. What a shame.

Remember this: OSA's goals are to put down critics and X-Scientologists, to distract them OFF of any topic having to do with Scientology and it's abuses they so much want to hide, and to make any message board spreading FACTS about their abuses totally unreadable. I cannot tell you how many people get turned off by this endless BS of yours, Shirley. Is that what you want?

Tory/Magoo!

That was in 2004. Now it's 2005 and you're still saying I cannot tell you any lies or falsehoods.
There they are, and that's just a few I wasted the time to collect, some time ago ---last year!

Are you with OSA? I doubt it. Do you act like it sometimes and support their goals of continuous attacking of critics, when you do? Well, your words speak for themselves.

Frankly, I believe is supporting each other, vs. hatred, attacks, trying to bake each other, as I've said. It's a waste of time, energy and certainly doesn't help anyone.

Tory/Magoo~

Ok.......darn! I'll have to get my blow dryer out. Oh well, company is here

For any new people lurking, welcome to Operation Clambake! This is a terrific group of people who have helped each other, and many who have come and gone.

It's been very helpful to me, someone who was trapped within C oF S for 30 years, until I met Andreas. The rest is history:
(Check out the main page, under Personal Stories, Tory's Story---that's my story, and I'm stickin with it

Wishing all well........

Tory/Magoo~~
(818) 841-3632 (feel free to call)

Tom,
Tigger has been pretty damn polite in asking Magoo for a published "Lies List". Im a spectator.

Anda very very amused spectator. The dozens of posts about
what should be done about Magoo criticism around here!

We have to stick together.
We are ready for them...so watch out!

If that SOB criticizes Magoo...ooo he's in big trouble buddy...
And damn it, if he hasn't criticized her-I know he's at least thinking about it..

then if he still doesn't criticize her... drag up the 2002 archives.
We know what he's capable of...see..proof..

I don't suppose anyone can see this from my perspective as somone who cannot even recall my last encounter with Tory/Magoo. And so what, anyway...?

You simply cant control me or what I say. Even when I happen to criticize the special someone you all adore, trust and believe.

If you trace all these threads back to origin you will find:
Newbies...Newbies...Newbies
who have been consumers of heavily advertised brand names here..

Its endless. Tory has DOZENS and DOZENS of critics. why?
Because she is a bad person? No. That's too simplistic.

TORY has dozens of critics because of her tens of thousands of posts in the archives. Magoo/Tory is a brand name.
No one else can claim that. Not even Lerma.

Tigger has a right to get an answer from Tory without any aid or assistance from you all. Its on. It's OK. really...

...dont let newer posters fuel what doesn't need to be a flame war necessarily....

Let Tory & Tigger do what they want to do. Stay the flip out of it.

Dont respond to or foster personal attacks.
Thats the only rule you need in this sandbox. It's not ars.


(Message edited by umike on June 09, 2005)