Dear Andreas and all,

I am hoping to raise awareness on the unfortunate habit that some of the board members have gotten into of referring to people they disagree with as being members of OSA (or Scientologists).

I know the FAQs state:



Certain people originally identifying themselves to the victims as members of anonymous have caused great damage to befall a Stockton couple, whom they believed to be OSA. That SOME members of anonymous have disavowed the attack is of little consequence since the victims were apprised of the reason for their "punishment". Here is a link to the story:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/0 ... hac-1.html

The backstory:

Since Smitty and I have been posting our genuine and well thought out concerns regarding some of the activities anonymous has engaged in- including speculating on the possible consequences of those actions- we have been subjected to cyberstalking and invasive bot attacks intended to crack into and circumvent security on private forums on our message board. One attack was launched immediately after a visit by an anon (who is a prolific poster at enturbulation.org) from what appears to be his place of employment- a computer security company. We were told we were being subjected to cyberstalking because we were TROLLING OCMB by posting OUR OPINIONS on THREADS WE START. We do not believe that we troll our own threads, but our threads are being trolled. It is a constant battle not to respond to the morass of ad homs, but it is much more problematic to find people trying to break in to our private support groups in the same manner the Epilepsy Forums were cracked. This kind of activity is intended to "shudder" us into silence on OCMB.

On OCMB, we are also being continually harassed, trolled, defamed, ridiculed, threatened with being outed AND accused of being OSA and/or Scientologists. These character assassinations are really too numerous for me to want to list, but for the record, on the thread "Who's REALLY Calling the Shots?" we were both fore-handedly and back-handedly accused in ten posts of being OSA. We have been accused of being OSA on other threads as well, but I think if anybody follows this thread they can see what the point of this type of assault is.

I can't imagine a more odious pejorative than "OSA" on a board whose membership includes current and ex Scientologists. What is worse than being badjacketed by people who want to quash your discussions is being set up as a target for cyberthugs to play games with. Since being assumed to be OSA is reason enough for some anons to engage in acts of identity theft causing great damage to innocent people, I think calling people "OSA" on any board frequented by people associated with anonymous is a potentially harmful act.

In light of the disruptive nature of this particular ad hom, and in light of certain members of anonymous taking on the duty of "vigilante" to stalk and harass people THEY THINK are OSA, I propose that Andreas list calling people OSA as being against the rules of the board on the FAQs in addition to the anti flaming rule.

So, I would like to ask Andreas to consider this idea. People should not feel threatened to post here. The exercise of free speech anonymous is wont to defend does not include making veiled or overt threats. Why then should it be ok to threaten people with outing, with cyberstalking and cyber-vigilantism in order to shut them up?

Thank you in advance for considering this idea. I think it's a good one, not just because I have never liked the practice of calling people you disagree with "OSA". Regardless of who is responsible for executing attacks such as the attack on the Stockton couple, it's clearly hazardous to be thought of as OSA these days.



Love,

Os

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Can you prove these "attacks" are not some concoction of yours?

OK, let's say you can. Just for the sake of argument let's stipulate that an Anon. has engaged in shenanigans on your crackpot message board. What I find loathsome is how you would attempt to involve Andreas in some bullcrap that is going on with your message board. Don't bring your messes to us, Wilkes.

It's YOUR message board, they are YOUR words that have earned YOU enmity amongst thousands of teenagers across the globe. Take responsibility for it YOURSELF.

You're basically here begging protection from Andreas at the same time that you are trying to drag him into responsibility for your dysfunctional "dilemma" that you have brought on yourself.

Neither OCMB, nor Andreas, nor the FAQ's/ROC are responsible for your predicament Wilkes. You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting this, IMO.

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Well, now you have made an inflammatory ad hom accusation, Roan. Of course we have the admin logs and IP traces. Someone could get in trouble for using his work location to cyberstalk people, and well... we don't have any problem interfacing with the FBI ourselves.



Why didn't you say so in the first place?



Andreas needs to be informed that people who are stalking and trolling me on his board are conspiring to harass me elsewhere. Noted is the fact that the individual who attempted to crack our board posts in a different ID here if at all, yet he stated his purpose for harassment of Smitty and I and OUR FRIENDS WHO ARE INNOCENT as being this:

That Smitty and I are TROLLING OCMB.

Yes that is what he said.

Now, if anybody looks at our posting history, they can see that since we have been attacked by you and your friends, we have kept our posts to a minimum, and mostly posted on threads WE START. And the threads we start are being so thoroughly trolled that we are unable to maintain conversations with people who want to discuss our topics.

So, Roan, I would like to know how Smitty and I, who are basically not posting on other threads, are trolling OUR OWN THREAD?



Uh, I thought you were a moderator here. Don't you recall that Andreas has rules on this board that people must agree to BEFORE JOINING that include keeping their enmity to themselves?

Oh yeah, and how about the one that goes something like "Don't Feed the Trolls"? If you think Smitty and I are trolling, why did you start a thread to harass us and why are you encouraging people to ad hom our thread?

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=27110

In fact, why did you jump into this discussion with an immediate ad hom, implying that Smitty and I would make up something like a cyber attack? Do you think it's cool to insult someone and then immediately retract it? That's like kicking someone and then claiming that your foot slipped.

Some people want to discuss the topic I started with Smitty and I because THEY AGREE with us and have something to add. Most of the posts on our thread are ad homs, there was at least one backhanded threat, continual derailments, non sequitors, logical fallacies and anything and everything these people can do to drive this discussion off the board.

In this thread- which you are derailing by ad homming- I am asking Andreas to examine ONE PARTICULAR AD HOM because referring to people as OSA is tantamount to signing a warrant against them by the people you are supporting, the " cybervigilantes". It's an important distinction from the other types of bullying going on here, and I supported this with an article proving that anons seriously damage people who are suspected as being OSA. Several people besides Smitty and I are being called OSA currently on OCMB. In this context it is relevant that Smitty and I are being cyberstalked and our board is being hacked. Don't you think so?



I am sure Andreas would not want any attempt at friendly albeit unpopular discussion driven off this board, either by the bullying you all are engaging in here, or by members of this board stalking us in other places to shut us up HERE.

Yes, Andreas should examine this phenomenon. It is identical to the harassment engaged in by Scientology.

He should also see how his assigned moderator is not living up to the rules others of us have agreed to abide by.



You are right. The people responsible for OUR PREDICAMENT are folks who are NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES ON OCMB, and who are cyber-vigilantes who are trying to get OUR OPINIONS OFF THIS BOARD by doing immoral, unethical, and illegal things.

And yet you take their side.

Go figger.


Love,

Os
P.S.~ Why don't you submit all the posts which "earned (ME) enmity amongst thousands of teenagers across the globe" to Andreas? You know, to get me banned for "trolling". That would be the ADULT thing to do. Instead, you are joining "thousands of teenagers" in bullying us, and excusing them for committing cybercrimes against us. That kind of behaviour is playing down to the "teenage" level IMO.

As for Smitty and I, we don't care if our discussions are unpopular with rebellious teenagers who are acting out. We are trying to talk to the people who act like adults here but we are not being allowed to do that due to the harassment you encourage. We can only shake our heads at how OCMB has turned into a playground wherein bullying proliferates at the expense of free discourse.

I am not a rebellious teenager, I am forty years old and I agree that anonymous had a rough start but they have done very well for critics since january. The ad-homs accusing what amounts to random people of misc crimes is also not appropriate and that is what some of the lashing out is about. I hope you can understand that if you are dishing out attacks, then you should be able to handle receiving them as well.

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I need to add that with all the nastyness going around, you are pretty much asking that the entire forum be turned over to you two. I don't think you are OSA but I do think that you are being rather unforgiving of early errors in judgement by a few people who are most likely not even involved in this anymore anyway.

You guys need to get out more. Your board has been down for over a month. You took it down, no body had posted there in a year or so.

SuzzanneMarie was your last best member.

Just get back to your last successful action, shooting black powder rifles in civil war re-enactments.

The cult of scientology has a bunch of DVDs they need to get rid of. Them there DVDs will suffice if you run out of clay pidgeons.

Okay...I have a SERIOUS request, Roan....

We want access to those wonderful smilies and emoticons you keep whipping out!

Now, that is a SERIOUS board feedback and help issue.

Srsly.

But your use of the ad hom "terrorist" is ok?

You've got no sympathy for your authoritarian idea that anyone who stands next to Anonymous deserves punishment for
that flawed and stupid California state law about "interfering with a religion." You claim to only be warning" us
about it, but it's like you're smacking your lips at the idea of us being hauled off in a police wagon, just to make
you right and us wrong.

Most people here aren't authoritarian, so they argue with you. The disruption is equivalent to an OSA troll.
Now you have a new authoritarian idea - you want Andreas to punish everyone who says you are disruptive and are doing CoS's work for them.

I am not saying YOU are a bad person. I am saying this obsession with Anonymous reminds me of a police state enthusiast.
The jails are bursting, judges are releasing auto thieves and embezzlers early for good behavior, and you're fantasizing
that my state government has nothing better to do than arrest me for "interfering with a religion."

You can't take over this website, to insult us, to insult Tory, to treat us like we're dirty and law-breaking, and
then go running to Andreas to punish us for fighting back. You can't have your own "little" thread where
everybody is nice to you and one person argues with you at once. Several times you've whined that it's
too much work to argue with several people at once. Guess what. The currency on this board is words.
You have to outwrite us.

You've advised Anonymous to NOT picket CoS; I advise you to actually drive by a picket, or preferably walk by.
It's not the teeming flaw colony that you imagine. And, if some Anonymous is arrested for "interfering
with a religion" it deserves to get appealed to the Supreme Court as excessive interference with the right to free speech.

Many younger posters are not used to arguing, and they do childishly insult you, Os. I take on the Logic-teacher role remind people there are
two sides to many issues, nobody's perfect, free speech is good, most of us have the same goals, name-calling is bad, etc.

If you state your theory (especially if your theory involves everyone changing their behavior to make you happy),
and you get a load of disapproval, and then re-state your theory again with new commands, and so on again and
again to a rising chorus of disapproval, there are two possibilities:

1. You're doing it wrong.

2. We're group-think fascists.

Try to imagine that we're not group-think fascists. People who call you OSA or OSA-like are acting emotionally
and using a shorthand insult, because it's been awhile (on internet time) since you posted on any other topic.
To a new reader, it seems like all you do is obsess on this one topic when there are so many great stories to work on.
Try to imagine that some readers are impatient and rather than write a post like this, which takes time and some
soul-searching, they react as though you have become the enemy and worse, you have become boring.
If you keep on this obsession, the impatient ones will keep insulting you, and others will keep arguing.
Is this the critic life that you want?

You're not the first poster that thinks there are deep flaws within the message board - that there are sacred
cows and mob rule. You weren't here for NEC's fight with everybody. We survived that; we, including you,
can survive this argument and get back to regular posting.

Cite a specific usage. It's not an ad hom if it's the truth, and anonymous has taken credit for acts that are considered terrorist in nature.

JS

Exactly so, Smitty. Whereas calling us Scientologists or OSA is definitely an ad hom since it is intended to discredit what we say by assassinating our characters AND it is a fabrication. Nobody really offers any viable rebuttals to our premises or conclusions, they just continue to engage in acts of "Dead Agenting".

I am particularly sorry to see lies, innuendos and distortions leveled at someone who can do this cause good, Monica Pignotti. Because when it comes right down to it, the only people who can really dismantle Scientology are the ex Scientologists who go on the record. We can picket, post, whinge, and blog all we want, and it won't do any good. If a crime has been committed by Scientology, witnesses must come forward on the record. An investigation must be launched by our lawmakers and law enforcement agencies. Against Scientology, not against the critics, as is happening now, thanks to the early and sometimes continuing behaviours of anonymous.

Of course, whenever I try to discuss activities which WOULD safely create opportunities to actually get our lawmakers and law enforcement to investigate Scientology (instead of the critics) I am being bullied and badjacketed and accused of being OSA. Isn't this an interesting development?

And this is what the bullying is all about- the fact that we take issue with certain behaviours engaged in by anonymous members.

Smitty you may have forgotten you posted the following a while back, so I will post it again here for the record:



Now, some of you might not know that anonymous admitted to the illegal DoS attack against the CoS. This means that they hijacked computers belonging to a multitude of unwitting souls, infected them with malware, and used them to hammer the Scientology server. This means they had no respect for the law, and certainly no respect for the rights of privacy the owners of the hijacked computers should be able to enjoy.

Whether or not anons engage in these activities anymore is something to debate. I say they are, and I can substantiate that. Perhaps this is why I am being shouted off the board.

Despite the attempt to derail it, the topic of this thread is whether or not Andreas should add the ad hom of calling someone OSA to his board rules.

I think he should, and the reason I think he should is that members of anonymous TERRORIZED a couple in Stockton under the mistaken belief that they were OSA.

I don't think anybody on this board should be ad hommed and I have complained about the bullying that goes on here many times in the past. In the light of my original post and the evidence I present to back it up, NO MEMBER OF OUR BOARD SHOULD HAVE ANYBODY PUT A TARGET LIKE OSA ON THEIR BACK. Member(s) of anon have already attempted to crack our tiny support forum which includes people who are not involved in OCMB or Scientology at all.

It almost looks like some of you are trying to "sic the dogs" on Smitty, myself and others by your constant repetition of the word OSA. My goodness, I saw a post where Dunvegan repeated it so many times I lost count, as if the first time weren't enough.

People like Smitty and myself might not mind this very much, but what about other folks who will be shuddered into silence by being accused of being "the bad guy" to a mob of hackers with impulse control issues looking for the next victim to abuse? You know, like how they repeatedly TERRORIZED the Epilepsy board because they think Epilepsy is funny and they like watching the board admin and members scramble to protect themselves from seizure inducing animations. Lotsa lulz for some members of anonymous. Here is a link to a file given me by the admin of the Epilepsy Support forum. It's safe to visit but DO NOT CLICK ON THE EMBEDDED LINKS OR AVATARS because some of them may contain MALWARE and PORNO POP UPS:

http://www.slightlykinky.com/7chan%20ra ... %20efa.htm

Scroll down and you will see members of anonymous involved in the attack. These attacks began before anon demonstrated any interest in Scientology. They attacked again in March, according to the admin of the Epilepsy board, and it was traced to the same sources. This attack caused at least one sufferer of Epilepsy to seize, and if she had not been found, she could have died. Seizures can kill.

Anonymous got interested in Scientology because they were angry that the CoS exercised it's right to control it's copyrighted property (the Tom Cruise video). At least one notorious member of anonymous (Gregg Housh) has been convicted of conspiracy to distribute pirated software. He clearly does not respect people's property rights, any more than the anons respected the rights of the Stockton couple or the rights of Smitty, myself and our friends to use our private board unmolested.

Anything can set these people off.

And now, some members of OCMB are creating an "us vs. them" scenario where critics of anonymous are "them". In light of the violent and illegal behaviour of SOME ANONS, this kind of badjacketing and vilification really should stop. If not because it is potentially hazardous to members with differences of opinion and their friends, but because it IMITATES what we hate most about Scientology down to the tiniest detail.

I think Andreas should examine what is happening on OCMB in light of the mob mentality that is going on here, and in light of the fact that we can attest that we have been cyberstalked and hacked by an anon because we do not support their activities 100%.

If it happens to us, it can happen to anybody who does not march in lockstep with anonymous.


Love,

Os

Don Carlo, your last two posts were well thought out and written and I agree with the bulk of what you have just said.

You're wrong about one thing (the above bolded sentence).

Wilkes won't return to regular posting.

What he's doing IS his regular posting. His pattern of conduct is clear, it is widespread over several different message boards.

Whether he creates the message board himself or joins an existing one; whether he starts the thread (crisis) himself or joins an exisiting one, it's always the same thing.

For some weird reason, Wilkes always seems to find something "gravely wrong" with a message board. Some issue that "poses a threat" to the message board or it's posters. Some nefarious threat that HE must warn and educate the other posters about. Their very lives (or at least the survival of the message board depend on it)!

The people on the message boards listen to him at first, they politely disagree... but the "grave issue" never dies, can never be put to rest. The people on the message board quickly grow irritated with Os Wilkes and (his cluster of body thetans that he calls) Smitty as they find themselves in LONG WINDED, never-ending, obstinate arguments over issues that ALWAYS the bulk of the board members DO NOT consider to be a problem (only Wilkes does). Eventually all are either screaming or pleading with him to stop (shut up), many of course do both. Sound familiar?

The length of Wilkes' stay on these boards is determined by how tolerant or gullible the members/admins/policies are. He's been kicked off of several for the EXACT behaviour that is exasperating people here. Here because of the wide free-speech latitude and Andreas' focus on us ignoring trolls rather than him suspending them, Wilkes may have found his favorite, safest, long-term home.

And of course, a major problem and recurring pattern with his other message boards, and his other threads on OCMB is Ad Homs. Ad Homs, ad homs, ad homs, ad homs, blah, blah, evil message board destabilizers, blah, blah, ad homs, ad homs, ad homs, blah, blah.

Wilkes is always the "tragic victim" of ad-homs!

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What a pillar of the community, a hero amongst all us losers, a stellar sea org member, oh wait, I mean staff member, oh wait, he wasn't jack! Just another 1984 brainwashee of BOWB Miscavigology! Try a quota and a psycho senior you puss.

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Everyone can have an opinion here. You want to be devils advocate have a blast. Want to dismantle the brainwashing cult of Miscavigology, then that's your right too. It's not quite 1984 yet and with a little luck it will never be.

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