Os Wilkes wrote:
Since Smitty and I have been posting our genuine and well thought out concerns regarding some of the activities anonymous has engaged in- including speculating on the possible consequences of those actions- we have been subjected to cyberstalking and invasive bot attacks intended to crack into and circumvent security on private forums on our message board. One attack was launched immediately after a visit by an anon (who is a prolific poster at enturbulation.org) from what appears to be his place of employment- a computer security company. We were told we were being subjected to cyberstalking because we were TROLLING OCMB by posting OUR OPINIONS on THREADS WE START. We do not believe that we troll our own threads, but our threads are being trolled. It is a constant battle not to respond to the morass of ad homs, but it is much more problematic to find people trying to break in to our private support groups in the same manner the Epilepsy Forums were cracked. This kind of activity is intended to "shudder" us into silence on OCMB.........
Can you prove these "attacks" are not some concoction of yours?
Well, now you have made an inflammatory ad hom accusation, Roan. Of course we have the admin logs and IP traces. Someone could get in trouble for using his work location to cyberstalk people, and well... we don't have any problem interfacing with the FBI ourselves.
OK, let's say you can.
Why didn't you say so in the first place?
Just for the sake of argument let's stipulate that an Anon. has engaged in shenanigans on your crackpot message board. What I find loathsome is how you would attempt to involve Andreas in some bullcrap that is going on with your message board. Don't bring your messes to us, Wilkes.
Andreas needs to be informed that people who are stalking and trolling me on his board
are conspiring to harass me elsewhere
. Noted is the fact that the individual who attempted to crack our board posts in a different ID here if at all, yet he stated his purpose for harassment of Smitty and I and OUR FRIENDS WHO ARE INNOCENT as being this:
That Smitty and I are TROLLING OCMB.
Yes that is what he said.
Now, if anybody looks at our posting history, they can see that since we have been attacked by you and your friends, we have kept our posts to a minimum, and mostly posted on threads WE START. And the threads we start are being so thoroughly trolled that we are unable to maintain conversations with people who want to discuss our topics.
So, Roan, I would like to know how Smitty and I, who are basically not posting on other threads, are trolling OUR OWN THREAD?
It's YOUR message board, they are YOUR words that have earned YOU enmity amongst thousands of teenagers across the globe. Take responsibility for it YOURSELF.
Uh, I thought you were a moderator here. Don't you recall that Andreas has rules on this board that people must agree to BEFORE JOINING that include keeping their enmity to themselves?
Oh yeah, and how about the one that goes something like "Don't Feed the Trolls"? If you think Smitty and I are trolling, why did you start a thread to harass us and why are you encouraging people to ad hom our thread? http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=27110
In fact, why did you jump into this discussion with an immediate ad hom, implying that Smitty and I would make up something like a cyber attack? Do you think it's cool to insult someone and then immediately retract it? That's like kicking someone and then claiming that your foot slipped.
Some people want to discuss the topic I started with Smitty and I because THEY AGREE with us and have something to add. Most of the posts on our thread are ad homs, there was at least one backhanded threat, continual derailments, non sequitors, logical fallacies and anything and everything these people can do to drive this discussion off the board.
In this thread- which you are derailing by ad homming- I am asking Andreas to examine ONE PARTICULAR AD HOM because referring to people as OSA is tantamount to signing a warrant against them by the people you are supporting, the " cybervigilantes". It's an important distinction from the other types of bullying going on here, and I supported this with an article proving that anons seriously damage people who are suspected as being OSA. Several people besides Smitty and I are being called OSA currently on OCMB. In this context it is relevant that Smitty and I are being cyberstalked and our board is being hacked. Don't you think so?
You're basically here begging protection from Andreas at the same time that you are trying to drag him into responsibility for your dysfunctional "dilemma" that you have brought on yourself.
I am sure Andreas would not want any attempt at friendly albeit unpopular discussion driven off this board, either by the bullying you all are engaging in here, or by members of this board stalking us in other places to shut us up HERE.
Yes, Andreas should examine this phenomenon. It is identical to the harassment engaged in by Scientology.
He should also see how his assigned moderator is not living up to the rules others of us have agreed to abide by.
Neither OCMB, nor Andreas, nor the FAQ's/ROC are responsible for your predicament Wilkes. You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting this, IMO.
You are right. The people responsible for OUR PREDICAMENT are folks who are NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES ON OCMB, and who are cyber-vigilantes who are trying to get OUR OPINIONS OFF THIS BOARD by doing immoral, unethical, and illegal things.
And yet you take their side.
P.S.~ Why don't you submit all the posts which "earned (ME) enmity amongst thousands of teenagers across the globe" to Andreas? You know, to get me banned for "trolling". That would be the ADULT thing to do. Instead, you are joining "thousands of teenagers" in bullying us, and excusing them for committing cybercrimes against us. That kind of behaviour is playing down to the "teenage" level IMO.
As for Smitty and I, we don't care if our discussions are unpopular with rebellious teenagers who are acting out. We are trying to talk to the people who act like adults here but we are not being allowed to do that due to the harassment you encourage. We can only shake our heads at how OCMB has turned into a playground wherein bullying proliferates at the expense of free discourse.