I might add I was silenced quite a few days ago, before this could possibly have been called "flogging a dead horse" or "trolling".

Anyhow, I've thought of another few posting guidelines for those still confused. Think of this as a "Dummies Guide to Enturbulation.org".

5. WBM is still not ghey. This is because we haven't thought of a reason yet why he should be ghey but we're working on one. We think his beard might be ghey. Someone heard someone else say that they heard it was.

6. Boris and Son of Boris can keep their kewl leet status for the moment, but see above, we'll keep you informed. They do not have beards so it's hard to tell for sure.

7. We have decided that Jason Beghe may keep his nuts. For now. Unless we get bored with this current shitstorm THEN IT'S ON LIKE DONKEY KONG FAGGOT!

(btw, parody, sarcasm, titsorgtfo)

NO WAY - I did NOT mean YOU !!

You are a breath of fresh air- even though I can tell you feel you have to choose your words ever-so-carefully to be accepted around here.

FREE SPEECH is FREE meaning unCENSORED

That is part of the hypocrisy I and others have seen - ppl claiming SCN has a problem because they do not change with the times yet it is happening elsewhere too-

Since Anonymous has come along, in such strong force, it has PROVEN that innovation is KEY and, in fact, IS EFFECTIVE in exposing the harms of scientology and severe damage THE TECH does to the very core of a being.

take care

Nothing new under the sun. The biggest flame wars have always attracted the most viewers here and everywhere else.

Having said that, I am doing now what I said I'd do when this board became fully moderated (and should have done then) and that is not letting me hit myself in the ass on the way out.

Is it possible, folks, that OCMB and EO serve different purposes?

I've always seen this forum as a place for DISCUSSION. On OCMB, Scientologists are allowed to debate things or make arguments, people talk about their experiences, etc. Criticizing this forum for "not getting anything done" seems, at least to me, off the mark. It's a forum; this section is OPINION and DEBATE, no?

Conversely, EO would never put up with scientologists talking about their "wins" over there. It seems to me that EO isn't about talking; it's about doing. And good on 'em for it.

So I'm beginning to see EO and OCMB as groups with separate purposes, filling separate needs, while focused on scientology. Maybe each has its place, and doesn't need to be molded toward the other.

Personally (I'll say it for the last time, then it's STFU): TD is an embarrassment to their cause; keep it, but store it elsewhere, IMO. BUT! This thread here helps me understand it, a bit:

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=28380

So I stay out of TD, and all is well with me...



um, maybe cuz we're wearing masks? (over 40, at SF rally 3x) just sayin'... Anons outnumber OG, this is also a factor. If ALL OG's went out to picket, wouldn't they still be outnumbered?



Agree, completely. But the reason I agree is: OG's (with respect to the general public) are a small number of people, not enough to make an army. Anons give the movement troops, and that's great. But personally, I think we need to sway the opinion of the general public, and in turn the lawmakers, to REALLY get anything to happen. But some have said "I don't care about what the public thinks, they're stupid..." well yes, but how else will real change be effected, I'm wondering.



A bit... but without those who talk, how would those who walk, know which way?

see you by the pyramid some time, eh?

- N

Don't read too much into that. There's another thread on the exact topic of public image, where consensus seems to be that needlessly offending the public is counterproductive. http://forums.enturbulation.org/7-gener ... s-23700/2/

Groups often engage in some sort of handwringing about collective identity, and while it's good to be aware of it, 98% of the time it's nothing that people outside of that group need to worry about. It will keep going on, so if you're going to lose sleep over it, you're going to end up very tired.

Glad to see. I would agree with "Quote" in that thread. That's all...

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I think the problem lies within this attitude.

Certain OG Rockstars viewed Anons as their minions and thought they could order them around. Anons resented the effort to control them, seeing it as a threat, just as they saw Co$ attempts to suppress the wacky TC video as a threat.

OG Rockstars were surprised when the Anons didn't turn out to be adoring throngs of worshipers, willing to applaud and cheer for their pictures. Fail ensued.

If my wording gave that impression, I now seek to correct that.

What I meant was more like this: OG, for years, had only so many bodies it could put into the fight. Even if they all went out and picketed, there would only be a few people at each org. Anon brought many new bodies in. Legion. That's what I meant by troops. Not subservient to OG, they came in for their own reasons. But their sheer numbers added strength, is all I'm saying... I need a beer...

After what I just posted, I'm sure the baby will ban me now too. It was nice knowing you, until I come back under another screen name, under another fake IP address. See you all on August 16th with my Roan picket sign.

Correction duly noted. Unfortunately, not everybody shares your level of humility, and some OG do view Anons as subservient.

The OG feel that they are entitled to respect and deference because they left Co$ and exposed its inner workings.

OTOH, many Anons feel the OG are valuable for their knowledge of the practices and seekrit skriptures of happy fun cult... but still wonder how anybody could get spend decades of their lives and much money (or, in the case of Sea Ogres, live in poverty and suffer constant abuse) before they realized they were suckers and LRH was into it for the money and lulz.

Before you get banned, please send me a PM that I can post to TD and get banned, too.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Can't some people stop the baby games and just leave if they don't want to be a part of this place anymore? Don't like the moderation? Fine. Lodge a complaint. But to carry on like this is just infantile.

All this arguing and posturing and symbolically thumbing your noses is just fucking retarded.


If you've got that much tension to release, just go rub one off or something.



Christ on a fucking bent pogo stick.

Long thread is long and I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, so posting it here.

Daywatch just donated $500 to Enturb.
http://forums.enturbulation.org/7-gener ... ors-23393/

He's not just a troll. He's a dedicated anon... just a really fucking loud one. If anything, he says things that most other people don't like to bring up.

Inb4 "rock star".

Well, Daywatch was one poster I've noticed calling for a rift between OG and Anon. Working hard on this shitstorm.. Or PR campaign... That could just be his opinion of course..

So.. $500 to restore his reputation?

Doesn't work for me I'm afraid.

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