A Declare. Shattered children. DISCONNECTION

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A Declare. Shattered children. DISCONNECTION

Post by Illegal Alien » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:45 am

Below is a post originally posted on:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.p ... CONNECTION
I feel it is necessary to have this posted here to.

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A DECLARE.SHATTERED CHILDREN..DISCONNECTION

Many months ago when I got out of Scientology I sent an e-mail to my daughter roughly saying the following:

I told her that I am no longer in Scientology and that the reasons for that are my own (her mother is in a very strong Scientology family). I warned her and said that one day Scientology would ask her to choose between me and Scientology.

I said the decision is yours and whatever decision you make will not change how I feel about you, I will always be your Dad and love you more than anything in this world and am always here for you.

Well, I just got off the phone with my 13 year old daughter who was in tears as Scientology was forcing her to never speak to me again due to the fact that I have been out spoken about my negative experiences in Scientology.

This is what happened.

We have been planning a trip for my two kids from my previous marriage to come out to Australia for a visit. I have sent the air ticket money and visa documents and they were supposed to arrive in early July. They have been excited about seeing Australia and we have spoken about all the things we are going to do.

A few days ago I got an e-mail from my daughter saying she needs to speak to me urgently, so I called and was met with one of the most - in fact the most - difficult things I have been through in my life.

She sounded really down on the phone and I will try to cover as accurately as I can what transpired.

She said she has heard that I am attacking Scientology and she asked if that was true. I asked her who had told her and she said her mother, she said I had been declared a suppressive person by the Church. I told her that I am out spoken about my experiences in Scientology and it’s all based on my experiences and that I am telling the truth. She responded by saying that I am attacking Scientology and that she cannot further her studies in Scientology if I continue to speak out and would be forced to sever all contact with me as per Scientology policy.

I asked my daughter to put her Mom on the phone.

My ex-wife said that two weeks while they were at Scientology in Clearwater, Florida, she was shown my Suppressive Person Declare. This Suppressive person Declare in Scientology terms basically means that Scientology labels you in writing that you are the lowest of the low, a criminal and against the wellbeing of all around you, and they show this to people who know you so that they disconnect from you. The result is nobody and I mean nobody who is in Scientology is allowed to have contact with you at all.

I told her that I have not seen such a declare on me and my ex insisted she was shown this document. I said “well then why have I not seen it?”.

She told me it was not being given to me for media reasons.

I got straight to the point with my ex asking her what that meant for the trip that was being planned. She said she is not sending my kids over anymore as she does not trust me due to me being declared a Suppressive Person.

A heated conversation followed at which point I asked for my daughter to be put back on the phone.

My daughter is now in tears on the phone telling me that I should “Do it for her”

What she means is that I get back into good standing with Scientology. That “if I love her I would handle this with the Church”.

At this moment my heart is being ripped out of my chest.

She is insisting that if I do not she will have to “disconnect” from me otherwise she will not be able to continue in Scientology.

I reminded her about the warning I had sent her months ago.

I told her this is not me wanting to break our bond nor is it you, take a look what your heart says, this is somebody else - the Church - saying we cannot be together. I am not forcing this situation on you and vice versa, Scientology is forcing this on us.

I told her everything that I have spoken out about is from my experience, they are things within the Church that need to change. I told her I do not expect her to understand yet and for that will not get into all the reasons.

I used an example saying: If you are at school and you see a teacher abusing a child and nothing gets done about it and you go to the principal and tell him and he denies it and then the abuse continues. So you then go to the School inspectors to report what you have witnessed and as a result you get expelled from the school as an out of control student.

This is what is happening, I told her I cannot sit and watch Scientology spokes people talk on the TV and know they are lying and do nothing about it.

With tears on her side of the phone and me fighting back my tears she insisted I return and I replied I will not return to Scientology however I respect your decision to continue studying scientology and will not get in the way of that and never have.

I have never told her anything bad about Scientology only that I was out.

I did this specifically as I knew Scientology would pull out their heavy hand and rip another family to pieces.

Well boy was I wrong. They still went ahead, getting a 13 year old girl overwhelmed by tears to call her father and say she will not speak to him again until he is in good standing with Scientology. It’s beyond reason that this could even be asked of anyone let alone a 13 year old girl.

Now my 10 year old son does not get a say in this either. He becomes a victim and maybe not fully capable of understanding what is happening but regardless of how he feels he is forced to lose his father and is helpless to the heavy hand of Scientology.

This conversation went back and forth over an hour and it ended with my daughter well and truly in tears telling me not to contact her until I was in good standing with Scientology.

My heart was literally lying on the floor, shattered, I was deflated and slumped down on the couch.

Do you want to know why we protest, do you want to know why people speak out and risk so much to get the truth of Scientology out there?

Well this story is why we protest, we protest because a “Religious” group has policies and uses them to rip thousands of families in two all in the name of “Religious Freedom”.

We protest because of the ABUSE and we will not rest until it ends……

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Re: A Declare. Shattered children. DISCONNECTION

Post by whitesand » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:46 am

Illegal Alien, I'm so sorry you are being put in this position of disconnection. I have to point out that these children are minors, and as a father you have legal rights of visitation to your minor children that have already been spelled out in a court order at the time of your divorce. Your ex does not get to choose if/when she will "let" you visit your own children. The difficulty comes in for you, unfortunately, because you are on the other side of the world. Hiring attorneys to help you in international child visitation situations is expensive.

Just speaking practically, would you consider trying to vacation with your children in the US, at least this year? It might give you more leverage to see them, and with your original court ordered custody arrangement to back you up, make it easier to enforce the order.

Best of luck to you in working things out.

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Re: A Declare. Shattered children. DISCONNECTION

Post by Don Carlo » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:16 am

What a sad story, Illegal Alien. Good luck. Let's hope CoS crumbles in the next few years.

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Re: A Declare. Shattered children. DISCONNECTION

Post by Demented LRH » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:47 pm

What about the legal recourse? Can you sue your ex-wife for the custody of your children or at least for the visitation rights?
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Re: A Declare. Shattered children. DISCONNECTION

Post by laspalmas » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:02 pm

I don’t understand how any parent could leave their children in a dangerous situation. If your house was on fire, you wouldn’t just up and leave your kids to burn to death, saving only yourself; your natural instinct is to get your kids out, save your kids. Surely?

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Re: A Declare. Shattered children. DISCONNECTION

Post by Judith Anderson » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:29 pm

Scientology does not have the authority to intervene in a child custody case.

Scientology does not have the authority to forbid a minor child to maintain contact
with a parent.

Scientology does not have the authority to forbid a parent to maintain contact with a
minor child, or any child for that matter.

Scientology does not have the authority to claim rights to parental severance. In Florida
that can only be accomplished through the court system.

What Scientology is doing is illegal as hell. It is another illustration of how they use the system
to achieve ultimate mind control, the like which can be seen in North Korea.

What Scientology is doing is one of a number of things that will get them shut down sooner or later. The sooner the better imo.

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