"in re" Lt. Rich A1:

1. engrams don't control me,
2. i don't believe anything, i use it, and
3. erm.. whatever.. i've got my own, personal, directly observed experience that Scientology works, and i have a lot to be grateful to LRH for.

and apropos your opinion of my opinion: you don't have to drill me, sarge, i know what you hate. nice bait there, badger. just so its 'real' between us, i am most certainly an idiot, talking to you, another idiot.

Welcome.. KINS

Thanks for sharing your story.. I'm glad you did ! We are all Unique in our own ways.. !

I think that scientology parents, tend to get so caught up juggling the things at the org, and are torn between that and there kids that the kids get ignored. You know that idea that kids are thetans trapped in small bodies, idea.

I remember spending summers at the org doing my purif, and yes the allways doing mest work to help out was allways interesting..

Hope your recovery was swift, and from the sounds of it your happy.. OUT of $cientology ! Well Done.. it can be quite the journey !

Take Care,

AGAIN WELCOME !

~Ryan

You are right, the choice is mine. And I have chosen a life without Scientology (the clouds part and rays of bright sunshine illuminate my gloriously happy and serene face.)

I wish my mom all the best, and hope that one day we will talk - but she disconnected and resisted attempts at communication. So, I will respect her need to do whatever it is that she is doing...because to try and do anything else would only be percieved as an attempt to sabotage her mental health, which is not my intent. When she needs me, I will be there...because THAT is really the "ethical" thing to do.

wait, so you're saying, "scientology tore my family apart, and it feels great"!?

i mean, whats the point here? either the church royally fucked up your life, and you're unhappy about it and want to tell the world, or it didn't, you're happy about it, and want to tell the world..

i mean, if you're happy, you're happy. got no problems with that. my problem is with the failure of the church to deliver as promised.

Si_g, it is obvious that you cannot see my point-of-view on this topic. So here it is, my childhood in Scientology sucked, it was sad and tragic, but it did not fuck up my life...I won't let it.

By sharing, I get to show how the "tech" did not work. Have you considered this: perhaps the reason things occured as they did (for me and many many others here) was that the "tech" cannot be applied properly?

It is possible to learn from your past and make it into a happy life. My hope is that by sharing my story, it helps someone else turn chicken shit into chicken salad.

okay then..



sure, i know tons of tech that doesn't work. scientology is tech that does work. what my point to you is: your parents fucked it up, or you wouldn't be here.



hey, good idea. shit to salad is a hell of a recipe..

apropos:



have you ever considered that tech - any tech - can be wrongly and rightly applied? and that only one of those cases is actually the thing being described, whereas the other case is exactly not whats described?

i have yet to see any evidence that scientology, when applied, doesn't work.

i've seen tons of cases where someone said something was something, and it wasn't that thing. that happens, everywhere, in the known perceivable universe.

How much more evidence can there be that something does not work?

Si_g, we will not agree on this subject. I realize to be a good Scientologist you must disseminate the "word" - consider this a job well done on your part. However, no amount of convincing will bring me back to the fold. Consider me one of the truly fallen - if it helps, label me an SP or at the very least PTS and move on. I do not need your agreement to know that I am just fine without Scientology, just like you do not need mine to know you are following the path you need to follow. Good luck to you.

you keep saying that "because it didn't work, it doesn't work", and i keep saying "it does work, even if it didn't work".



look, for sure, lets not agree on the subject.. which is your story, shared, about how your early family life was screwed by Scientology, and now you're not associated with your mom, you're feeling better about the scene.

i don't agree that your family should have gone through that, and i don't agree that scientology is to fault for the fact that you can't talk to your mom. call your mom, tell her "you are squirrel, mom", and i'm positive she'll start talking to you again.

but since you don't want to talk to your mom, i don't get what the problem is. scientology is a problem? sounds to me, losing your mom to the church is just the right answer for you: your life is, after all, as you say, as you want it to be. for sure, this is as anyones' life should play out, in my opinion .. so, on that, we do agree.



okay, well i realize to be a good anti-Scientologist, you must disseminate the "facts" - consider this a job well done on your part.

For sure, this was not Scientology working for the better, in your case. Lots of anti-Scientology there.



Just so its clear: i'm not trying to convince you of anything. i expect you're not trying to convince me of anything either, right?



"do not take the path of Scientology because it doesn't work".. not a 'needed agreement' in this realm? glad to hear it ..

I don't hate you. I don't even hate the tech. I pity you actually, and find the tech disgusting. I do hate people who know that the tech is bullshit and still pedal it though.

You have observed experience that $cientology works. Well ok...
We have verified scientific studies that all the theories behind $cientology are complete and utter crap. Engrams, BTs, etc... each and everyone of them is false.
We have never once seen any demonstration of 'powers granted' by the OT levels.

LRH lied about his past, in every way shape and form.
LRH lied about doing research.
LRH LIED!

And you trust this person's writings to 'free' you?

Your sir are a complete and total IDIOT! That is my belief and until you can prove to me that you are not I will continue to hold that belief.

The intellectual content of your posts cannot be favorably compared to the intellectual content of a box of rocks. It works is what you continue to say. So you are prepared to levitate ashtrays? Or maybe you are talking about how it works in subetly? As the lessons learned in $cientology work?

LRH created $cientology;
LRH said in writing; that $cientology is not a religion but is based in Science. A proven lie.

So why not explain it to me so Kin and me can understand. We are obviously un-enlighted Homo Sapiens.

where, in all the vast array of materials you have clearly studied, did you ever once see that LRH wrote "scientology is to be used to levitate ashtrays"?



i couldn't disagree with whoever called you that more .. but then, i'm only an idiot.

so your saying telekinesis is not a promised power?

sure we won't find "..levitate and ashtray.." but that doesn't mean that it isn't a drill

curious how its an ashtray though, LRH smoked a few packs aday didn't he, probably cuz he would smoke a pack while waiting for you to move it with your thought. hey if its going to be on the table may as well be something useful, to him that is.

no, i'm saying show me where LRH says that telekinesis is a power to be promised.



well, i've done the 'move this ashtray' drill, and the 'give me that ashtray' drill, and the 'talk to this ashtray' drill plenty of times, and damn if that ashtray didn't move when i wanted it to.



you would've preferred a rubber chicken?

LOL

yes, the rubber chicken would be better

at least it doesn't enable an unhealthy activity, like smoking 3 packs of unfiltered smokes a day, but I guess LRH didn't need to worry about cancer, did he. just something for the wogs to worry about.

"a power TO BE promised." that doesn't make sense.

so you have done the ashtray drill, so you admit Scn tells you that you can move ashtrays, and you did. why then do I need to quote LRH when I can quote you practicing his doctrine?

si_g, a $$$ million $$$ bucks and fame and glory if you can really levitate an ashtray for the Amazing Randi's Million Dollar Challenge.
http://www.randi.org/research/

Using your fingers...doesn't win the challenge.