My story from my Exit Therapy

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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by crm1978 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:18 pm

I Have not had any exit therapy except for reading the critical websites and a few books such as madman or messiah What I don't get is why after being out for over 30 years scientology still has a strange mental hold over me I was involved for a couple of years from 1978-1980 did'nt go very far on the bridge because I had had psych treatment so they did'nt want to audit me plus I was young and not exactly wealthy.I guess if I had been rich they would have had a different policy.I guess the mental hold they have on me is a sort of proof of the fact that mind control cult is a very apt term for what they are otherwise I could look at the evidence about them and see them "as is" and get on with life.Perhaps the Scientology "implant"takes well into someones mind and is very hard to root out .I think that someone who has never been in a cult can't understand the level of mind control that they can exert over their members.There is some similarity with chemical addiction in the level of control it can have over people .Many lose their friends family money etc before they can leave.I suppose that to understand scientology you have to understand Hubbard It seems to me that he had antisocial personality disorder from what I have read of his life.This disorder discribes some one who can be charming and even likeable on the outside but is in reality exploitive and abusive another trait is inability to follow rules and normal standards of conduct that society expects.One thing that is clear is that he was a major and complete liar about everything from his life history to the value of scientology I guess you could write a book listing his lies as many have done.It also seems like the "church "is a reflection of his dishonest abusive and exploitive personality.Thanks for giving us this chance to share by joining our voices may be together scientology membership can continue to drop as it seems to be doing the truth can indeed set you free(a lot more free than that bogus bridge to total freedom that LRH made that is anything but Free$$)

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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by Wieber » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:02 pm

Those of us who are critical of scientology often make the statement, "scientology doesn't work" as a counter to scientology's statement, "scientology works." What we are saying isn't quite true. Scientology does work but it doesn't work as advertised. The results from its use are quite different from those promised or even hoped for as "hidden standards." Some results, especially in the early days and at the lower levels, may be beneficial but that only really serves to "set the hook."

As to the strange mental hold that scientology still has over you, crm1978, I think that there are some more books you should read: Combatting Cult Mind Control and Releasing the Bonds by Steven Hassan, and Trauma and Recovery by Judith Herman.

In Releasing the Bonds Steven Hassan gives instructions for exit therapy that you can do without a counselor. That's what I did and it helped me a great deal. Seeing a trained, licensed counselor would probably get better results faster but there are not many counselors who are also knowledgeable about cults. Steven Hassan's instructions are rather brief. Judith Herman's book is not specific to cults but the steps she gives for recovery are in more detail with a greater level of explanation.

There are many other books you can read that will help you understand and hopefully discard the effects scientology had on you but those three, I think, will give you the best return for the time you spend with them.

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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by caroline » Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:53 pm

Yes, welcome to the message board, crm1978!

I'm not a mental health professional, but I think you made some excellent observations about Hubbard and his disorder. (I agree with Wieber about Steven Hassan's books and Dr. Herman's Trauma and Recovery.)

I'm reading a very interesting book by Martin Kantor, M.D., The Psychopathy of Everyday Life, and would definitely add it to the reading list. :) For example,
Martin Kantor wrote:Many psychopaths are charmers. As such they depend on the use of flattery and offers of friendship to enchant and hypnotize their marks, cobra-like, putting them into a state in which they readily relinquish responsibility for themselves and let others take over their lives more or less completely.

Kantor, M. (2006). The psychopathy of everyday life: How antisocial personality disorder affects all of us. Westport, Conn: Praeger.
Hubbard made a religion out of this level of psychopathy.

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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by crm1978 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:40 pm

spent a lot of yesterday reading Wieber's posts and really got a lot out of them I think sharing and connecting with others is very powerfull stuff It helps so much to know you are not alone.I think that making people feel alone is one of the tricks that hubbard used to control minds It also seems like now that hubbard is dead the number of people who knew or worked closely with him is getting smaller which allows his abusive insane nature to be forgoten to some degree It seems like now a lot of the focus is on the abuses of the current leadership as it should be but the fact is that so much of what is the "tech" the policies like disconnection fair game etc. were invented by Hubbard and are a reflection of his paranoid and hatefull personality I find it interesting that that there is this mass exodus of long time high level members like Jeff Hawkins and Mike Rinder and the best part is they have the courage to talk and write about what they went through The cool thing is that the Cos has lost a lot of it's power to silence it's critics by lawsuits harrasment etc.I read somewhere that church membership has been in steady and rapid decline for some time and may be the decline is unstoppable I guess they might have run out people who can be conned The internet helps it may be the thing that does them in when you lie a lot ready access to truth is a major problem!

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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by AnonLover » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:34 am

All-time. Greatest. Thread!

Such greatness deserves to be spread far and wide, and Wieber graciously agreed to allow anons doing due diligence on the cult recovery and exit therapy fronts to reprint the major narrative of this fine thread in e-book form!

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My Journey through Scientology and into Exit Therapy
by Wieber on OCMB

Fileshare: http://www.mediafire.com/?zcjc635b4bxjj43
Scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc/43808066/My-J ... it-Therapy

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For those familiar with this thread - there's no substantive additions in the e-book version. However, the circular ending posts are rearranged into a more liner narrative and trivial copyedits applied to make into a formal composition.

There's also future plans to highlight this and other e-books of the same genre on the Exit Zone Blog (a bigger project that will be announced on separate thread once the under construction bits are finished). However, this compilation was done for the benefit of all in the public domain, so all should feel free to re-use and mirror this however & wherever folks see useful.

And lots of <3 and Thanks to Wieber for granting anon permission to reprint this fine work, here's hoping we did it justice & that we're able to spread it far and wide so it finds it way into other lurking hands looking for a do-it-yourself cult recovery path out of the cult of scientology.

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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by Benny's Friend » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:54 am

What a treasure. Wieber, thank you for the gift, and anon, thank you for the gift.

Greatest thread ever.
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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by Wieber » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:34 pm

Greatest thread ever.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm blushing.
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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by Wieber » Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:07 am

Permit me this small anecdote.

I was visiting an org in a smaller community when the Power of Source 33 1/3 vinyl album came out.

One of the people there got a copy. We put it on the stereo system and with great anticipation placed the needle on the first groove. There had been promotion for this thing for many months before it arrived. There were monthly articles in Advance magazine, which actually came out monthly then. There were enthusiastic reports from sea org staff on their missions to the org. Then there were updates, rumors, notices in the OODS (orders of the day) and on and on and on and on and on and on.

We listened to it twice, compensating for our collective disappointment by being collectively enthusiastic about it and about how L. Ron Hubbard and his music was so up tone. We then listened to the vocals on one track until we figured out they were singing, "This planet is ours this planet is ours this planet. This planet is ours this planet is ours this planet. We are moving in. We are moving in. We are moving in. We are moving in." and then it repeated once or twice in the piece.

Then we decided to take it to the local radio station and get them to play it. So we all went there. The org was small so we left one person there to watch over it and we, I think there were about seven of us, went to the local radio station. It wasn't far from the org. Three people from the radio station came to see us and they listened to the album. They covered up their disgust with it by being radio DJ enthusiastic. They made positive comments but said they got play lists from their station's owners who were in another city and they couldn't deviate from that.

The executive director in another org said that they were completely disappointed with that record and that this time L. Ron had not come through for them. (If someone said something like that now they would be doing lower conditions in no time.)

One other thing and this is why I'm writing this. When we went to the radio station it was playing what it was airing on loudspeakers outside and as we approached I heard the opening bars of And You and I playing. In spite of all the negative things that were being said about contemporary music at the time, that is was low toned in the grief to apathy band and not well played, I felt uplifted by Yes's music more than anything that's ever come out of any $cientology band.

Here's a link to And You and I. I hope you enjoy it. I certainly do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-rdL2KkvzY
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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by spacecootie » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:10 pm

You're right, Weiber... the insistence that all things Scilon are perfect, along with the mandate that none of these perfect things can be criticized, is a major factor in the mind control.

My brief involvement in Co$ came in the late 'seventies, when the original edition of What is Scientology? was hot off the presses. It was a large-format, expensively bound coffee table book... with some of the most appallingly cheesy pictures I've ever seen. There was an operating room scene, designed to demonstrate engram creation, with hand-lettered signs and drapes that looked like they were shower curtains. I tried to find some of the pictures on the web, but Miscavige probably put up enough newer, slicker images to bury them on a Google search... but the sets in Plan 9 from Outer Space look better by comparison.
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I had taken some photography classes in college and mentioned to some folks at the Org that I'd like to get involved in raising the production values of Co$ publications... which led to a meeting with the ethics officer. Who was I to criticize a Co$ publication... especially something that was released with much fanfare and hoopla, and would be a major force in the effort to Clear the Planet (tm), which would be completed in 1984, thanks to such amazing tools? (I'm sure that I'm personally responsible for their failure to make everyone a Scilon three decades after this completely reasonable goal.)

I now understand why my comments were viewed as complete and total blasphemy. I recently read (in Marc Headley's book?) that the photos were taken by Hubbard himself, accompanied by a crew of Sea Ogres (who secretly cringed at the low quality of the project).

Close to the Edge has always been one of my favorite Yes albums. I could hear And You and I in my mind as soon as I read your reference... but any memory of Power of Source (which I only heard on downloads from a critical site) is more like a Vogon opera.

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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by Wieber » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:47 pm

It's been a long time since I posted anything here, or have even been in the stories section of the Bake.

I think this is an appropriate place to put this.

This morning I went for my first post cult therapy session with a psychologist. Yay!
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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by heyjupiter » Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:47 pm

I just read some of this after congratulating you on getting therapy in your other post. This is amazing reading and I'm away to get the choccie biscuits and read it all. I am very interested in one of your latest comments about music and the Yes track in particular. Find My Way Home is one of the most uplifting and lyrically positive tracks ever written!( I know its Jon Anderson,not Yes but it's still great) I want to cry when I think of you at that moment in time with And You and I playing. I'm going to put it on and re-compose myself and read everything on this post.

I've come back after a good old cry and a bit of Yes- which WAS uplifting and not at all downtone- and read some more. You really need to write a book with this stuff because you write intelligently and with great wit. While I have limited knowledge of much of the more detailed information you are writing about, I recognise so much truth in it. Because I am close to someone still in, these posts have helped me greatly to understand what brought them to where they are and why they cannot realistically remain in contact with me unless they get out. Thank goodness you left-in the 'offensive' bits. The story about the dehydrated turd is priceless. :lol:
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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by Pussy Riot » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:24 pm

OMG this is an awesome thread. Thanks Wieber. Hope the therapy is helpful.
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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by i-Betty » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:53 pm

You've made me want to read the thread all the way through, Pussy Riot and heyjupiter. I have always loved Wieber's writing and kind nature - and his sense of humour, which I find to be quite British :D

I will wait until this house full of teenagers has dispersed in the morning then I'll make a big cup of tea and settle down to read all the way from the beginning.

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Re: My story from my Exit Therapy

Post by heyjupiter » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:47 pm

Read it i-betty, it's a an incredibly eloquent and insightful account of the true nature of this organisation. Once I started reading, I couldn't stop and the dog is now looking resentfully at me and my spaghetti dinner has congealed on the plate beside me.

I have been exposed to $cientology over the past few years because someone I was close to is involved. At first I was very open-minded and decided to look for myself at what the church was about. I always had doubts, and there was a time when I thought that I was actually suffering from paranoia, that the person I was close to could not possibly be so lacking in self-determinism, so blinkered to reality. I began to think there was something wrong with ME. The more accounts like Wieber's that I have read, the more my self-belief has returned and the more shocked I am that the suspicions I had that seemed too awful to be true WERE true. The section about L Ron's drivel concerning Third Party responsibility for human conflict is fascinating. Wieber's assessment about the true causes of wars is in my opinion chillingly accurate, and one of the many reasons why this organisation and others like it need to be exposed for what they really are. I am not frightened that they will ever achieve their ridiculous goal of converting us all though- or increasing or maintaining their membership long-term - there is far too much good in people for that to happen and Wieber is an example of that. You might need several pots of tea- quite a lot to get through. I agree with you about the humour- something eccentrically British about it. :kiss:

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