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Post by ladayla » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:18 pm

Your site sounds fabulous. It wouldn't open for me, hopefully because it is too busy. I needn't read it to know that your hope to help the children is real, and to know that the stories that other youngsters tell about cos conditions will give other kids the courage to 'blow'. Good on you.

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Post by Ladybird » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:19 pm

Kendra, Astra & Jenna, I posted your site over at SomethingAwful.com and you young ladies have brought many anonymous goons to tears.

You also have the highest compliments on your website from some of the best (and pickiest) computer nerds in the biz. They are not easy to impress, so take a bow!

What you have done by coming out in public with the truth about scientology is helping so many people, and you are making a huge impact.

I am just so proud of you!!!!

Hugs,

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Post by Patty Pieniadz » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:57 pm

I am so very proud of you and so very proud of the courage you
have shown. What you are doing will make is safer for other
ex's, both young and old, to come forward and tell their story,
and in doing so, will expose the light on Scientology.

Big hugs to you,

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Post by Little Bear Victor » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:26 pm

ladayla wrote:Your site sounds fabulous. It wouldn't open for me, hopefully because it is too busy.
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la
Looks like an extra comma got into the first link in the first post. Try this:

http://www.exscientologykids.com/
A short history of the Church of David Miscavige: From the fastest growing religion in the world to the fastest shrinking cult in the world in less than 20 years.

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Post by magoo1 » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:15 pm

Thanks, LBV :wink:

Great job to Kendra, Astra & Jenna! Man has this been in need
for MANY years! I have a feeling you're going to help WAY more
kids than you can possibly imagine, both Ex, Those still "In", and many
thinking about joining. This IS a great site.

Thank you all for your courage---and to all of Anonymous, and ALL of the critics here and everywhere. Isn't this just THE BEST ??

:alien: :cheers: :onebounce: :love7:

My best,

Tory/Magoo~~

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Post by michaeltilse » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:46 pm

WOW!

Great site, much needed and much appreciated.


Kendra, Astra & Jenna, you have done a brave and noble thing. You are helping. Perhaps it is not the "universal struggle" you mention having felt part of, yet it is far more honorable than the fantasy we were all sold.

There is a great freedom to standing up under your own identity and speaking out. It makes your honest and powerful message about the abuses of scientology that much more powerful. Thank you.

And my thanks to all those scientology kids who stand with you and tell their stories. I knew the Carlson/Kiefer kids when I was in the sea org and after, along with their mother and her husband. I did some work at the melrose. I wish all the stories of the kids there were told in full and named names. It would help bring an end to the current abuse even faster.


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Post by Braveheart's Girlfriend » Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:11 am

This site is just so awesome in so many ways! I can't wait to finish reading it, and WHAT a fantastic combination of young women who took this step of sharing their experiences in Scientology, moving the exposure of the inhumane and illegal practices of this organization to a whole new level.

BRAVA!
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Post by SCIE-NO-MO- » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:23 pm

Your site is really, really awesome. I've not read it all, but your answers to questions are so spot on. Word for word it's just about identical to what I've told my kids when the subject has come up in heart to heart conversations. This is going to be a godsend for a lot of kids that are forced to live with all the taboos Scientology imposes on them. When I was your age I thought that Scientology was going to remedy all that is wrong with the way we deal with each other. Not in my wildest dreams (or should I say nightmares) did I ever think Scientology would be the problem and the people who'd escaped to the wog world would come in with the remedy. Once again, you gals are really, really awesome.

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Post by Kilia » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:27 pm

Wait until you see the girl's forum! Wow...already do they have lots of users posting..including moi. ;)

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Post by Roadrunner » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:40 pm

Hi,

The site is intelligently put together and has an appealing design (easy to read and to find your way). I haven't thoroughly looked at it all yet, and I assume it is all still in development. However it seems like an honest attempt.

One point however I wish to make which is
http://www.exscientologykids.com/fairgame.html
Omitted is the mention of HCO PL 21 July 1968. The conclusion as offered on that page is therefore quite misleading. :roll:

HCO PL 21 October 1968 did not cancel the practice, it didn't have to, it was already cancelled 3 months earlier. The October 1968 PL was issued for another reason which is to cancel any use of the term.

Various however avoid to address this documented argument and the existence of HCO PL 21 July 1968 when being informed about it and its obvious significance. On the other hand this PL is not widely known. It is not included for instance in the old green volumes either. The designers of this new site may not have known about it either.

It may even have been so that various interpreted the matter as various opposers to Scientology did. Believing that it was alright to secretly Fair Game, these days nothing surprises me anymore! :roll: Nonetheless strictly taken per the published references it does not condone Fair Game.

It is noted that Andreas actually added a Second Opinion link on the applicable page on his site about this. So far he is the only Scientology critic that at least has done something to address this matter.

A further annotation I wish to make is that no particular separation is being made between the subject of Scientology and that what people do on this site. I think it is an important aspect. This however does not mean that one should not take heed to the subject or various issues involved with it either, it most definitely does not. In fact I promote quite the contrary at that.

So far I only made a fairly quick overview of the site. Would I have missed something, I stand corrected.

Kind regards,
RR

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Post by Little Bear Victor » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:52 pm

I've been trying to think what to say about the site for a day now, but the only thing I can come up with is:

IT IS AWESOME! :woohoo!:

Excellent work, girls, way to go!

In no time it will be the place to be for any ex-Scn kids. And not only them, but sooner or later, their long-lost family members and friends.
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Post by Lisafer » Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:37 pm

Brava Ladies. I stand in awe.

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Post by Dr. Donna Shannon » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:06 pm

Kendra,

Your story has left me with tears running down my face. It's the same, familiar story we all have written- yet it still amazes me that parents and children can become so estranged, by an evil brainwashing cult like Co$.

Thank you for creating this website. I am sure it will open the door for many more Scientology children to escape into the real world.
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Post by Kookaburra » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:25 pm

Good on ya, Kendra, Jenna and Astra.

The lot of kids in the Sea Org and those same kids after the SO is definitely a big issue. Well done to the three of you for taking it on board.

My best wishes for your success.

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Post by Mr.Peacock » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:09 am

I would like to congratulate Jenna Miscavige Hill, Kendra Wiseman, Astra Woodcraft and the many others who have spoken out on the Ex-Scientology Kids website regarding their experiences growing up in Scientology and the Sea Organization.

I feel it is very important for people to be honestly informed as, no matter how much the glossy church promotion tells you to follow the yellow brick road to the Emerald City, behind the curtain is an entirely different world that is not so pretty, as their testimonies so aptly depict.

Here is another story, which will hopefully shed further light on the "handling" of kids within the church and Sea Org:

Joining Staff

When I was 13 years old, I was recruited to be on staff at the local Scientology mission where my mother had been attending courses. I was appointed as a "body router", responsible for bringing people in off the street for introductory lectures. I did this directly after school every day, except on weekends as that's when I would visit my dad. When I was 14, I quit school entirely and joined staff full time. My mom did make me finish the 9th grade, even though the Executive Director and Personnel Officer of the local church tried to get me drop out to be at the org full time before the end of the school year. For the next 18 months, I worked full time as a body router and supervisor... until I heard about the Sea Organization.

The Sea Org

I was briefed that there was going to be an event at the local church by "Sea Org members". I didn't have a clue what that was, but as my mom was going, I went along with her. It was a briefing about Scientology expansion. Before the event, we were all given surveys to fill out, asking about our individual qualifications. I didn't know what it was for, but answered the questions, such as whether or not I had ever taken LSD (no), if I had every been institutionalized (no), if I had huge personal debts (no, not at age 15) and so forth. The surveys were collected up and the event began. They had a big map of the world and said that everyone needed to get on the bandwagon to help clear the planet NOW.

After an intermission in the event, a list of people's names were called out to report to the back room. My name was on the list. I reported to the back, along with about 20 other people who had been in the audience. I couldn't figure out how they knew my name as I had forgotten all about that survey I did. My mom wasn't there, so I felt a bit insecure. The main event speaker was there, along with 3 other people in full dress SO uniform and they informed us that we were all joining the Sea Org now. He said that two of the people he was with were staying behind in our city to get all of our stuff packed up and get us sent off to our destinations. He handed out Sea Org contracts, had us stand up and raise our right hands and repeat the code of a Sea Org member after him (called the "swearing in ceremony") and then sign the contract, pledging myself to work full time for the next BILLION years. I had no clue what I was doing. I wondered why my mom's name wasn't called.

After we signed our contracts and re-joined the rest of the audience, I told my mom what happened. She said it was not okay, I was still a minor and they need parental approval, which they don't have. As I didn't want to be separated from my mom anyway, I went back to the recruiter and told them that I couldn't go. My mother was rapidly pulled in for handling by the recruiters and she ended up signing a parental concent form, giving her approval for me to join -- effective once I turned 16 years old, which was only a few weeks away by that time.

The recruiters sat down with me and had me list out anything I would need to handle before reporting for duty. They briefed me that I would be "handling the suppressive psychiatrists between lives in order to make planetary clearing a possibility". I wondered if that meant I had to die to go between lives to "handle" these people! This was all a little scarey for me. They told me that I was to brief my father (who knew nothing about Scientology) that I was going to be flying off to become a model in Paris. My mother and I went to visit my dad and that's what I told him. He was proud of me. I thought I was going to be sick.

The Estates Project Force
(Sea Org Basics)

Within a few weeks, I was booked on a flight to Los Angeles. Not only was this trip the first time I had ever been away from home and the first airplane ride I had ever been on, I arrived in Hollywood on Halloween, which didn't give a good first impression! I was assigned a dormatory with several 3-tier bunkbeds in it. I don't like sleeping in bunkbeds. Now, I'm really having second thoughts. I called my dad and told him I lied to him. I told him that I joined Scientology full time and I'm in the Sea Org with a billion year contract.

My dad got very upset. He said he was going to sue my mom for lying to him and get custody of me and get me back home. I cried and talked him out of that saying it wasn't my mom's fault. He told me that if I ever wanted to come home, he was there for me. I called my mom and told her what happened. She said she would be handling some debts and joining too and then we'd be together again, so everything was going to be okay.

I got routed onto the courses I needed to study, was given a schedule which included 5 hours of study time and 9 hours of "deck work". On these courses, we were studying all about the history of the Sea Org and operating at sea. I was swimming in confusion. We had no boats or ships and what does this have to do with what I need to know anyhow? I therefore asked what it was that I will be doing after I finish my basic training. I was told that I'd be "going over the rainbow". I asked "what's that?", however I was told that it was confidential and I'll only be able to find out after I get there. I asked if my mom was going over the rainbow too when she arrived. I was told no - she was not qualified as very few people were actually qualified to go there. Now I was really freaked out. I went to my dormatory and locked myself in the room. I tied the door closed and jammed a chair in front of the door so no one could get in and I said I want to go home.

It took several hours of persuasion, but I finally opened the door. I said I would NOT go over the rainbow. I wanted to be where my mom was going to be. So, they said instead I would be posted in a different location where she could later join me. I had no idea what that was going to be, but if my mom could be there too, then I'd be fine.

A few weeks later, I ended up being sent to another continent. I was put on a job I didn't know the first thing about. It required that I travel (I was by myself) and I had no clue about currency exchange, customs, what to watch out for, who to go to for help, how to travel within the city, I didn't speak a word of the language... I remember one time I just asked a total stranger if he'd help me find my way to the train station as I discovered I didn't have enough money to take the subway. Fortunately, he was very friendly. He bought me food to take on my travels and got me safely on the train.

The Rehabilitation Project Force

Within the next few months, I ended up meeting someone who was 10 years older and a veteran staff member in the Sea Org. He took me under his wing, helped answer a lot of questions. We decided to start a relationship. I wanted to get married, but I was still a minor and couldn't get parental consent to marry until I turned 17. Our relationship landed us both in the Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF) in Florida.

What an experience. I slept in a paint shed or in the garage. I quickly learned about "rocks & schoals" which included push-ups, sit-ups, "laps" (including the "big lap", which meant you had to run up the stairwell to the 11th floor and back) for such offenses as not making an acceptable product, failure to call someone "Sir", talking back after receiving an order (known as "backflash"), missing a time target set. In the summer, it averaged 95 degrees outside and was extremely humid. Where we slept, ate and studied was infested with cockroaches and mice/rats. My husband (we did get married on my 17th birthday) was taken off the RPF and I was kept there for 8 months. We were not allowed to live together -- I was kept in a dorm with the rest of the RPF.

I wasn't making it through the RPF program as I was getting about 6 1/2 hours sleep a night and I was always physically exhausted by the time we began study at the end of the day. Eventually I was "reprieved" by issue which stated that I was illiterate and therefore incapable of doing the program. I was just happy to be off the RPF, regardless of how I got out.

Shortly thereafter, my mother did arrive and we reunited! What a happy day, though very short lived. I ended up again being assigned to the RPF (still a teenager) for something I had written up as part of an amnesty issued by LRH. This time I was sent "over the rainbow" along with several other RPFers to work full time for the next 2 years, around the clock -- 15 minute meal breaks, 0-4 hours sleep a night wherever you could get it (utility closets, garage, in the bathroom stalls), running wherever we went, working with toxic chemicals, using table saws and heavy equipment in our half-dead state (I'll spare you the gory details of the fall-out from that).

Family Disconnection

My RPF assignment did end up being cancelled as "injust" after this 2-year stint and my next few decades in the church is an entirely different story, which I may publish at some time in the future.

Currently, I am declared a Suppressive Person and yet again, separated from family members who are still connected to the church. This has left very deep scars and that's why I'm speaking out. I feel for every person who has ever had to experience anything similar because of their "religion". It's discrimination, inhumane and just plain not right.

On the bright side, however, I did take my dad up on his offer to come home when I needed him. He has helped me tremendously to get back on my feet. I left with no money, no proper education, no driver's license, no credit and no where else to turn but to family that -- despite it all -- still loved me and welcomed me home with open arms.

There truly is NO PLACE LIKE HOME.

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