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Post by Twin A » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:22 pm

Thanks for all your great responses.

More Contradictions for you:

PC'S REALLY HAVE NO RIGHTS. There is no list of rights for preclears in a Scientology session. Maybe the Freezoners have things more balanced in this way, I don't know --- but in the official "tech" of "Scientology" (defined by DM and Religious Technology Center, the controllers of the copyrights and trademarks of LRH's works) PCs have no rights.

A preclear cannot pull out an LRH reference and tell the auditor and CS to follow it. If that CS and Auditor are not following what the PC knows to be "standard tech" tough luck! That PC will have to pay for more intensives and reviews with their own time and/or money. If a preclear complains about "out-tech" in a session, then that preclear will get asked for "missed witholds". No matter what. It does not matter if they have a valid complaint or not! That is Scientology technology--to always introvert the person who complains towards their own mistakes and never never respond to a criticism EVEN IF IT'S VALID.

If the great "tech" is so important, why don't PCs get any kind of vote? That's a contradiction. There is no consumer advocate or protection or rights for the recipient of the "tech". It's a big lie that there is any kind of group integrity with regards to how a member gets treated. If a Scientologist feels mistreated and complains and seeks redress for wrongs, they are usually mistreated even more. Has anyone ever experienced getting an apology for "out-tech" or "out admin" and some sort of compensation without being totally barred from all Scientology services from then on out?

I've heard the mantra that "the tech works" --- well that's really a silly mantra because "the tech" is not a principle cause. SOMEONE has to USE some techniques towards a certain goal. Saying "the tech works" is like saying, "blue-prints work". Blue-prints sit in a drawer and don't actually DO anytthing. They do not build condos. Construction workers with tools, read blue-prints and build condos. I was shown an LRH reference that basically said that if a PC complained ABOUT ANYTHING, NO MATTER HOW VALID, that the auditor was to find the missed withold. Does this "tech work?" Sure, it "works" to introvert a PC and make them feel wrong, to make them feel as if their efforts at self protection are "bank motivated" and spurned by evil "missed withold" phenomenon.

I do know that many auditors really want to help people. It is a trap for them to fall into "the tech works" frame of mind. Not ALL of LRH's counseling techniques or methods result in a well and happy PC.

I don't know about anyone else, but I never liked holding e-meter cans. It was novel and fascinating at first, but has anyone done any studies about the long term, cumulative effect of a small voltage of electricity pumping through a human body?

Members of the Aums Doomsday cult in Japan had to wear metal bands around their heads with small batteries attached -- to help them tune into their great leader. They ended up killing a bunch of people in the Japan subway system with Serin gas. It obviously didn't make them into more responsible individuals.

A friend of mine told me about a "session" with an OSA auditor. The OSA auditor screamed at her and told her that you can't have overts against an SP," If you do something harmful to an SP, it's 'not an overt'!" Well, one could say that this session was "out-tech" ; auditors aren't supposed to scream and evaluate. But the "out tech" mantra is just a platitude. It means nothing. That auditor was applying an LRH philosophy towards a certain goal. Her intention was to cave in the PC and make her wrong for wanting to quit being an OSA spy. And that is what she did. She caved in an upset the PC. So "The TECH" did work! What happened in this session was just as much under the umbrella label of "Scientology technology" as everything else.

The mantra "Scientology Works" is basically a meaningless statement. What, if done, does what? It is such a broad statement that it is not just meaningless, it is misleading.

Scientology is a copyrighted and trademarked term. It is OWNED by CST and controlled by DM and RTC. THEY determine LEGALLY, with the help of the legal system of the United States, or wherever it's registered -- what the word means. (The only religion in the world that can use the legal system to enforce it's beliefs!) Imagine if people walked around saying ACME WORKS! What the heck does that mean? Whatever the heck the CEO of ACME wants it to mean!

What if the words "Christian" and "Christianity" were copyrighted? And only the people given permission by the Pope could call themselves Christian? And it was enforceable by the police and the court system? What if the words "Buddhist", "Buddhism", "Muslim", "Judaism"", "Jew", were all trademarks owned by one person? Religion wouldn't be free would it?

Shouldn't it be illegal to copyright and trademark the name of a religion?

I haven't looked up all the names of recognized religions to see if any are copyrighted, Scientology just may be the ONLY one that is.


TOUCH ASSISTS:

Since I am an avid user of "touch therapies", massage, acupuncture, reflexology, etc. -- I cannot say that a successful touch assist or nerve assist is ENTIRELY a placebo effect.

I can say that I prefer other touch therapies . I found touch assists and nerve assists to be a drop in the pond most of the time. I can accomplish with one, one hour massage, more results in terms of pain relief than weeks worth of nerve assists every day. There are many other more effective touch therapies that can be used to aid pain management and healing.

Nerve Assists could be useful in situations where a real massage can't be used. Since it's lighter and easier to do. I gave nerve assists to an injured cat once and he responded remarkably well. He may have healed any way without them. He may have just benefitted from the first aid I administered to his wounds; but at the time, it did seem that I'd used nerve assists to successfully heal a half dead cat. It certainly did not hurt and it made me feel like I was helping. The cat certainly enjoyed them.

TECHNOLOGY

Oh, I almost forgot this one. I am angry about LRH's usurping of this word TECHNOLOGY.

These are the dictionary definitions of technology: 1 a. The application of science, especially to industrial or commercial objectives, 1b. The scientific method and material used to achieve a commercial or industrial objective American Heritage Dictionary

Hmmm.... that certainly does not fit L. Ron Hubbard's usage of this word. Let me check another time honored and accepted dictionary of the English language, The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary:

1a. The branch of knowledge that deals with the mechanical arts or applied sciences; a discourse or treatise on (one of) these subjects, originally on an art or arts, b. The terminology of a particular subject; technical nomenclature. 2a. The mechanical arts or applied sciences collectively; the application of (any of) these. b. A particular mechanical art or applied science.

Scientology is an applied RELIGIOUS PHILOSOPHY, not an applied science or mechanical art. Scientology Organizations don't build airplanes and ships or paint paintings.

Those fans of some of LRH's methods and techniques, should call them just that, methods and techniques of counseling. They are not technology.

If I was to go to a school on how to build ships, and I was to get a certificate from this school saying that I knew how to build ships. Then I went out and I built ships and did well. THAT would be learning a technology. The art of cooking, that could be considered a technology. There is a definate and material result that cannot be refuted. The person either could build a ship or couldn't, he can make Creme Brulett or he can't.

Learning how to audit is not learning technology. Giving someone a confessional is not technology. Getting rid of BTs is not technology. It's not an applied science or a mechanical art. L. Ron Hubbard's ideas have not all been proven in a scientific environment. There are no unbiased studies of the workability of the Narconon program. Only claims. There are no scientific studies in support of the Purification Rundown. There are no scientific studies to prove that anyone who has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to get rid of BTs is any smarter, healthier or in any way different that someone who has not gotten rid of BTs.

If I walk around every day and tell everyone "I'm a LOTTO winner". Does that MAKE me one? No. I"m not a Lotto Winner, so saying it out loud to people would make me a liar, not a Lotto Winner.

OK, that's all I can put into for this installment. I have more. Stay tuned. I appreciate feedback.

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Post by LRonAnon » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:36 am

man this stuff simply amazing to read for a wog.

It's as if I was listening to Harry Potter and Hermione Grainger talking about school adventures during summerbreaks... its surreal

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Post by magoo1 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:53 am

Hey Twin A::: WELCOME!!!

I too wrote an article on Contradictions in Scientology. I love yours, it's amazing, eh?

Here are some of mine:
Contradictory Life Inside Scientology



CONTRADICTIONS

Having lived within the Scientology community, as part of the organization that calls itself, "The Church of Scientology" for 30 years, and then having woken up and left, I would not like to present some major contradictions from my own personal experiences.

When I say "Scientology" I am referring to the organization, the members in the organization and those applying Hubbard's abusive "tech" to harm others, break up families, stop free speech, etc.

The letter "C" will indicate the contradictions for me. Some others may find these true or not, however most people I've spoken to who were in and left feel the same about a majority of these.

I welcome any in put from people who have been in and left or even critics who have studied Scientology for some time.

1. Scientology says they are working to Free Mankind.

C) Scientology in truth actually traps a person, getting them from day one to agree to "Keeping Scientology Working" which in fact slowly builds in the "truth" that Hubbard's path IS "THE WAY".

Also, ANY other thoughts, practices, teachings are considered "Other Practices" and are considered "Out Ethics".

2. Scientology says they believe "Man has the inalienable right to free speech".

C) The truth is, the higher up you go in Scientology the farther from the truth this becomes. As you move up the pyramid, you find you certainly are not supposed to read books or articles that Scientology doesn't want you to read. Actually this begins right away, again with "Keeping Scientology Working" (hereafter known as KSW).

It is considered "Out Ethics" to really speak out about anything that might be the slightest hint of criticism to the organization.

You also are encouraged not to watch the news as "It's Entheta". Now entheta means "enturbulated theta" meaning it upsets people. Yes, I agree some news stations do upset people, as they are, for the most part, filled with too much bad news, vs. a mixture of both good and bad. However, there are certainly ways to find out the news that are not all bad.

When you go for years not tuned into what is happening in the world, once again you just become surrounded that much more in the 'Scio/Truman show".

Remember Truman couldn't see the walls? It is exactly the same within Scientology. Any free speech would actually help someone see the walls.

Thus, this is totally discouraged, although any Scientologist will insist this is crazy, that they are true "Freedom of Speech Advocates". Just ask them to discuss with you some of the classic lies and falsehoods, and see how far you get.

3. "Ethics"---- Scientology promotes to its members that Hubbard figured out these great tools to help someone be more ethical.

C) In Scientology people are routinely practicing deception, fraud, lies, and on staff and in WISE, people become slaves to a system where they have no recourse. Towards the last 10 years of being "in", my fellow OT 7's and I would commonly speak of:

a) Never lend a Scientologist money as they rarely if ever pay it back.

B) Never work for a WISE organization, as they are basically slave drivers, only interested in their own welfare.

C) Try to stay away from most of the registrars (people fund raising, asking for donations) as they are just milking us over and over.

d) Buy books, study up, learn for yourself. There are other solutions to problems you have, and they only cost $20.00 at Barnes and Noble.

e) Many of the Executives in Scientology (who speak at the events) sound like robots, and whoever is putting on these events lie over and over.

Ethics? Ha! Who do you think you are fooling?

4. Spiritual Freedom: Much has been written about this, however in essence Scientology says if you do "The Bridge to Total Freedom" you will ("There's a good chance you can and will.") achieve total freedom.

One cannot-is not allowed-to discuss your spiritual 'case' with anyone, except those running the Scio/Truman show. If you do, once again, it's "Out Ethics" and they have their ways of stopping you.

I found the more I did, the higher I went 'up the Bridge' the less free I became. I was more introverted, more worried and stressed, constantly feeling guilty and secretly bad as I wasn't this or that.

Scientology always has an answer to everything, to bring one back to the fold, as does any good totalitarian group. With this, highly trained auditors (Counselors) will explain. Here are a few for me:

A) "Tory wasn't set up correctly"

Fact: I have over 50 folders of auditing (The average OT had around 20-30), I had tons of Set ups for each level, and continuous Security Checking for 7 years.

B) "Tory had Misunderstood words".

Fact: Did I honestly leave a group I've been a part of for 30 years because I didn't understand some words? Also, I had TONS, and TONS, hours and hours of "Word Clearing" On OT 7, as did all of the people on OT 7 at the time, so it wasn't the words, nor was it "Golden Age of (Crap)" -- that is some bogus re-write of 'the tech" and if you don't believe me, go LOOK at the new "OT's" and the empty orgs!

C) "She had missed withholds (secret lies)"

Fact: Again, on OT 7 (which I was on for 7 years) I was continuously Security Checked to supposedly Clean up any and all withholds. I was a Flag Trained and Internet Security Checker who believed in telling all so you do not impede your road to Freedom. (Ha! I can hardly believe what I thought and what I know today, two years later).

I didn't hide things from people. In fact, I wrote up to RTC continuously that I wasn't winning on OT 7, it didn't work, I thought I needed to do KTC/LOC, and I was auditing over a HUGE Present Time Problem. Hubbard emphatically states a person WILL NOT get "Case Gain" if they try to audit over such a problem. No one, not one person, cared or listened to me.

D) "Tory was/is "PTS" (a Potential trouble Source.)

Fact: Anyone with a family member who is the slightest bit critical of Scientology is considered "PTS". This is handled in "Ethics" and one either handled the person, or they have to disconnect. The truth is if you begin to look and read and think, You are considered PTS.

OSA may also try to throw in the physical condition I have. Just for the record, in 1999 I insisted my folders be sent up to RTC to decide whether the people at Flag had MU's or I did. As a result, the ENTIRE technical team of the Flag Land Base was crammed/corrected on this anti-medication crap Scientologists run on people.

Also, the Senior Tech Terminals decided it was fine that I take the medication, and my Dr. (Ron's Dr.) said, "It isn't a mind altering drug". The Senior C/S of Tech at the time wrote a Snr C/S Bulletin saying, "If a person has tried to get off of their medication and their Doctor has decided they NEED To stay on it, that is to be allowed". (I'm the first example they gave in this)

E) "Tory is an SP".

Fact: Really? I was one of their 'Golden Girls" for 30 years, (in What is Scientology" still) and suddenly it is found that I am really an SP?

Think for yourself.

I'm IN "What is Scientology", for goodness sakes! Think about it.

Oh that's right, you can't! Well, that's why I'm an SP, and proud of it, by the way.

5. Scientology promotes Sanity. If again you do "The Bridge to Total Freedom" or of course join staff and help others do this, you will become saner.

C) The truth is Scientology by the nature of its 'tech' makes one more delusional and cut off from the real world. Certainly people who have studied Cults agree this IS a fact, and Scientology is one of the worst in this area.

Those "in" are not allowed to look, read, talk to an "SP" or read any books with facts that may help them SEE the truth about what went on, and goes on, behind the curtain of "Greatness" pitched constantly in the Scio-Truman Show.

6.) Scientology says, "Think for yourself".

C) In Scientology one is constantly, from day one, first thing you read (KSW) taught to ask "What do your materials State". One is taught never to give out what has been labeled "Verbal Tech".

This is actually a "High Crime", so one MUST refer only to "Source".

Also, within Scientology Doubt is considered a lower condition. Thinking is actually labeled on one of Hubbard's Charts as quite low. In Scientology the highest you can do is "Know". "Knowingness" is promoted as a high state, "Thinkingness" is at the bottom.

It takes years to realize this "Knowingness" is only valued amongst your seniors if you are doing what they want. If not, there are other scales, and 'tech' to prove you and your knowingness to be absolutely wrong.

7. Scientology promotes "The Way to Happiness".

C) This is a small book that they sell to local Doctors and businessmen, for hugs amounts of money, telling THEM they need to 'help their community'. Many of these principles Scientology actually violates greatly. Just a few examples are:

1. "Safeguard and improve your environment" While at Flag (their highest place to go for services) bottles and cans are pitched into the garbage daily, by the ton.

I asked their Public Relations person to try to get in recycling. They had no time or interest in this.

Trees... many large businesses have now begun using thinner paper, or less paper, as well as using recycled paper. Scientology still uses tons and tons of high gloss, heavy paper with no care for the trees they destroy daily. They also send out tons and tons of junk mail to public who are in fact wrong public for them.

2. "Seek to live with the truth".

C) See Barefaced Messiah for facts about Hubbard lying daily. Scientology, of course, puts down this book like it's utter trash. Of course they do! IF you read it, I doubt you'd cough up one more dime to them. Certainly, you'd at least want to learn more.

Type in "L. Ron Hubbard" in Google and read ALL of it, and make up your own mind. You'll never hear Scientology actually say that. They'll say, "Read everything" however it is only ~their~ suggestions, and in fact their orders, which will be the ONLY books they approve of you reading.

Think about that one: I don't care if you read their side, my side, other people's sides and facts. The facts are there now for you to make up your own mind. That is something Scientology has to stop at all costs. If people knew all the facts, most would not stay "In" Scientology!

Also, it says, "Do not tell harmful lies". No where does it say, "Do not lie".

Witness OSA here lying and justifying it, saying it is OK as they are "Handling SP's". That's because, to them, it IS perfectly ok to lie if it forwards their means, per Hubbard's tech, as most of you know.

Scientologists are actually taught to lie in "Ethics" using "The Acceptable Truth" which is a phrase used to deceive people, supposedly not lying.

Example: My mother was worried about me being in Scientology, and actually was trying to get me to see they were lying to me, and she wanted me to get a "real job and move on with your ".

In Ethics, I was told to use this. "Just tell her you are working with your friends" in the day vs. Being on course all day, which in fact I was. This began years and years of more deception.

Also, people lie to themselves about their "wins", trying to meet the group approval. No one wants to admit that, but Peer pressure within C of S is huge, and is a key reason people continue on the train of mind control.

Yes, they will have a temporary win, however when it dwindles, they leave that out even to themselves. You don't even try to do this; it's set up as an automatic screening device.

This could be a series in it self. There are many more examples. More will follow.

Also, Scientology promotes families and "ARC" yet they break up many families where parents are literally tortured not being able to talk to their kids, or kids to their parents, husbands to wives, etc.

This is TOTALLY "Out Way To Happiness" but of course they (in C of S) have many "Policies" to justify these abusive actions.

8. Scientology promotes honesty and integrity.

C) Again, see above re honesty. I found myself and other Scientologist to think we were 'the most honest people on the planet', however within Scientology one often sees dishonesty occurring in many different ways. Some examples are:

1. The tech is supposed to be totally standard, yet it is altered constantly, depending on who was using it.

2. Scientology says it teaches honesty and integrity, yet Scientologists are required to attest "Officially" to state after state that turns out to be temporary at best. Scientologists are in a constant state of guilt and anxiety about the states you have attested to, yet you know you really have not attained what it says.

This is so huge, that literally the C of S removed the "EP's" (Supposed End Phenomena") from their printed "Bridge to Total Freedom". People I knew, myself included, got worse and worse re this the higher up we went.

There is also a HUGE expectancy from the rest of your group re these supposed states you have attested to, and what people think you can do. Since you really cannot do them, or at best some, (but often none) again one is left with huge secrets, falsehoods, and self-deception.

9. Scientology promotes "Stop Looking, we have all the answers" in one of their Dianetic ads.

C) Looking is stated as one of the highest states of awareness on Hubbard's Scale called, "Know to Mystery".

10. In Scientology's Communication Course one is taught "TR 0" teaches you to confront, face up to anything and be able to comfortable BE in another's space.

This is actually quite tricky, as it sounds SO good. It IS good, if one could do what you want, after first being.

C) One in Scientology is constantly taught to refer to Source for what you know and do.

Thus everything one faces/confronts is filtered through "The Tech" of Hubbard.

You always have to "Do what Ron Says", regardless of what you may perceive. Ron does say, "If it isn't true for you, it isn't true" which was a huge trap in itself that kept me there. Only after years of people enforcing things that were not true for me did I begin to wake up.

Actually perception has nothing to do with TR0: you are supposed to "Do nothing but be", which is fine.

Ok, you are, but that stops at DO. You are totally distrusted with what you might do on your own, without referring to the authority: RON. You can BE but you cannot DO. You have to DO what I say.

11. Scientology teaches it makes "The Able more Able".

C) The tragedy of Scientology is it actually makes the able less able, in a slow, methodical, tyrannical way. This philosophy is supposed to make you a bigger being, more able, more capable. Through the constant usage of 'the tech' you find you've become actually less able, more introverted, seriously guilty constantly and really a servant and a slave to Hubbard and his delusions.

If you doubt this, go talk to the former "OT's" who left Scientology, most of Hubbard's staff who have long since left years ago, All of the original Class 12's who are now out, and Many Executives who helped form Scientology and are now out.

To those lurking, if you cannot do this, I rest my case.

12. Scientology promotes their system of justice as the most efficient and helpful to mankind.

C) In fact, Scientology's justice system again only works when the Convening authority (The high ranking accuser) in Scientology agree with the findings and recommendations. Their justice is actually the opposite of justice.

In most cases, you are just found guilty, once the 'authorities' make up their mind. In normal justice the Judge is a different person than the accuser. In Scientology the Accuser is also the Judge.

I actually asked for a "Committee of Evidence" in a WISE company, Survival Strategies. They brought in Dan Owen, who told me "Anything I send up to RTC will go through. I am thought of as KhaKan (He supposedly has immunity to Scientology prosecution-he can do anything he wants)."

He TOTALLY altered what is supposed to be a standard Committee of Evidence, would not even let me speak, and found me guilty of everything I didn't do. I wrote up exactly what Hubbard said to be the way to do these, and how they had done the opposite. No one cared, not at Survival Strategies, nor at WISE, who is supposed to be the senior, convening authority. They never even wrote me back.

Scientology also has their own secret Police ("The Office of Special Affairs") who practice Fair Game on anyone who leaves and speaks out. They consider this fine, as to them these people are "bad". However, in true justice, one should be allowed to speak your mind without harm.

At the very least you should be able to represent your case in a true court of law. However, in Scientology it is a "High Crime" to take someone to court. Also, for people who have given them lots of money and then ask for it back, they would give these people their money back, if they truly followed "The tech" which says to do so.

OSA has personally tried to "Fair Game" me, within 6 months of me leaving the "Church of Scientology. They TRIED to pin (and failed) a criminal conviction on me for sitting in an empty, Red Santa's chair in Clearwater, Florida (for 2 seconds). It turned out they (C of S/OSA) had "Over 100 cameras" on us, in a 4 block area!

Justice? Go visit the KKK. You can learn a lot from history.

These are just a few of the many Contradictions within the walls of the organization who calls themselves "The Church of Scientology."

If you have a loved one in Scientology and you wonder what to do, I suggest you begin bringing up these very basic contradictions, and ask them what they think.

You never know when someone just might wake up. I did, after 30 years "in".

I'm sure there are more: Yours are excellent! Thanks for sharing with us.

Love to all, :)


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In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 7 years!
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X-Top Secret OSA Int Internet Mafia, Until I realized what
they were really doing and soon after left C of S forever.

For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me a "Suppressive Person" (SP 6 ^Cumulative Cluster :) & Expelled me from The Church of $cientology :)

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http://www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know)
http://www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos)
http://www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS)
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia) or Type in Scientology in Google

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Post by barky » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:37 am

Oof, this thread touched a nerve in our beloved Magoo! Haven't seen her write a post this long in ages. :wink:
I've heard the mantra that "the tech works" --- well that's really a silly mantra because "the tech" is not a principle cause. SOMEONE has to USE some techniques towards a certain goal. Saying "the tech works" is like saying, "blue-prints work". Blue-prints sit in a drawer and don't actually DO anytthing. They do not build condos. Construction workers with tools, read blue-prints and build condos.

What an amazingly astute observation!!! I don't think I've ever heard this put quite this way, but you are spot on!!


For my own contribution, I offer The Dynamics.

So, we've all heard of them, the 8 Dynamics (self, family, group, humanity, life, physical universe, spirit, Supreme being). The theory here is a person can't have real happiness without acting on all 8 dynamics. In other words, if you go through life totally self-centered, you'll be unhappy until you get in touch with the other dynamics as well. Same thing can happen is you dedicate yourself to a group without caring for yourself.

So, how, in practice, does Scientology act on this principle?

In the words of the Anons: EPIC FAIL!!!

You are dirt if you do not donate all of your resources to the Church. You are dirt if you do not devote all your time to the Church. You are dirt if you do not join staff, or FSM like a madman, or join the S.O. And if you do join the S.O., your other dynamics mean squat-sh*t! Ask anyone who's been in it!

They offer up what seems like a good way to find balance in your life, but if you do find balance in your life, you are PTS to the middle class or are some "namby-pamby panty-waste dilletante" or some other such crapola.

It's All Scn All the Time or Nothing! How's that for balance across the dynamics???

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Post by Lisafer » Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:31 pm

"...or FSM like a madman..."

Could you please tell me what "FSM" stands for? I'm only familiar with the "Flying Spaghetti Monster (Ra-men!) and I know that can't be right!! :?

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Post by lucy skywalker » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:09 pm

FSM = Field Staff Member

Someone who recruits for the Church of Scientology. I think it is a term used for both staff and public, don't remember and don't want to! :wink:
If someone could elaborate on this that would be great. Thanks!
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Post by Ladybird » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:22 pm

FSM=Field Staff Member. Loosely translated into "scientologese" it means any scientologist not officially on staff. FSMing means you are "selecting" or "regging" people to come to the org or come to the event or buy this, donate that, get up the bridge, go Go GO!!!! now Now NOW!!!!!

This is your duty as a scientologist, no matter where you are on the bridge yourself. You get a commission, some public scientologists make a living FSMing. It's kind of like Amway or any other pyramid scheme.

You will be judged on your dissemination and hit with ethics, sec checks and denial of services like OT levels if you fail to "FSM" for the cult. Unless you have a ton of money the cult wants to get their grubby little hands on. Then you will be called constantly to loan money to other scientologists, and called at 4 am every week to get the stats before Thursday at 2PM, donate to the IAS and every other front group, asked to donate your property for Introspection rundown/Type 3 handlings, etc, etc until you are broke.

Ask me about Field Staff Auditors.
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Post by Whitedove » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:27 pm

Lisafer you made me laugh :lol:
good one!

FSM mostly make sure a $cientologis stays on the bridge or on course. They get commissions (a percentage of how much the person has given to the bridge or training). Let say an FSM has brought someone online by dissemanating to that person. He better ensure that person stays online if he wants some money. If the person gets upset and dont want to get back online, he is the one who should 'handle' the person. Its suppose to be done with ARC (affinity, reality and communication). Well, what it means is they have to sweet talk the person to stay on the bridge.

Yes an FSM job is partly to get people 'online' but also to keep them online.
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Post by SchwimmelPuckel » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:43 pm

Hmm.. Thinking about FSM = Flying Spaghetti Monster.. A manic scientologist FSM on a rampage in his intire family to convince 'em to see the light... Being 'unreasonable' as per policy. Deftly using Attack PR to scream down any protest and counterintention, leaving burn marks on the wallpaper with his OT stare. Disconnecting right and left..

'Flying Spaghetti Monster' sounds descriptive to me somehow!

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Post by Lisafer » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:33 pm

Ladybird wrote:FSM=Field Staff Member....Ask me about Field Staff Auditors.
Thank you Ladybird. I feel like I'm taking a crash course, and I have so much yet to learn.

What I've gotten so far has horrified me, enraged me, given me a few lulz and driven a desire to learn even more. A desire to make it END!

So now, tell me about Field Staff Auditors.


(For the record, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not my own...also a "protest movement of sorts. For the curious http://www.venganza.org/ explains it all plus you can learn of the connection between global warming and pirates. - All for laughs.)

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Post by Ladybird » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:01 pm

Oh my! I don't want to derail Twin A's thread, and I think Lulubell or Ladayla could explain it better, and as always google is your friend, but I will give it a shot.

Here is a good thread on the subject for starters:

viewtopic.php?p=299271&highlight=field+auditor#299271

Field Staff Auditors are public scientologists who have trained at their own great expense as auditors and are (supposedly) allowed to audit new publics for profit to get them interested in scientology (recruit them) and then send them on to their local mission, org or Sea Org.

Besides paying 92,400+ and taking a couple years off for full time study to become a SHSBC auditor, and taking in to consideration the extremely unlikley event that you will even be able to find 3 people to audit for 100 weeks after you finish to pay back the loans you took out for the course, (not to mention 2 years of living expenses), DM has put even more roadblocks in the way of becoming a sucessful field auditor.

Here is the story of one old friend of mine:

John Walet was a "Field Staff Auditor" who got caught up in the GAT (Golden age of Tech) retraining, which he finished, then was forced to move his practice at least 20 miles away from Flag when there was a flap about low stats at Flag. The "why" DM found was that the FSMs, WISE companys and Field Auditors were not turning over their recruits and PCs to the Org. I think this happened around LA, too, and some groups were shut down and people com-eved and declared. Here is some information I dug up, maybe some exes from the DC or NY area can add more background.



Newest Harassment of Field Auditors
From: friendship
Date: Mon, Jan 3 2005 10:26 am

Groups: alt.religion.scientology


"Some eager beaver dug up an old Scn policy about St. Hill that said
that there were not to be any field auditors within 20 miles of St.
Hill. Something like that. Not sure of the exact mileage. I guess
they didn't want the competition. Anyway, Flag decided that it would
be really good to implement that policy for the Clearwater area and,
thus, get rid of any close competition from the few field auditors who
are still delivering services near Flag.

It probably won't be long before the same occurs in other areas.


Oh, also, staff members have shown up at field auditors' homes
unannounced and demanded the folders of people getting Scn services in
the field. Boy, the stats must be really down! Why else would Flag be
canabalizing the field to this degree? Of course, once a folder goes
to an Org it's a sure bet that the auditor will have to retread, at
least, if not retrain, and the clients of that auditor will be urged to
do services at Flag where the services are far more 'standard.'


Not only that, but recently auditors have been told that they have to
hand in videos. Most of them probably realize that this is a no win
situation. Absolutely no video from a field auditor is ever found to
be good. Even auditors who have completed the Golden Age of Tech are
suspect.


Reading the accounts of people on the RPF and knowing how shabbily
field auditors have been treated over the last 10 or 20 years (if not
longer) it is amazing how much punishment some people are willing to
put up with!"



In another twist of fate, John Walet's daughter was interviewed by Janet Reitman for the Rolling Stone article "Inside Scientology".

Thread is here:

viewtopic.php?t=16785&postorder=asc&hig ... &start=330
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Post by Ball of Fluff » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:31 pm

All treatment of staff is a total contradiction to the stated aims and goals of CofS "tech" and "policy". Unfortunately, it appears that Hubbard was very much aware of- and a participant in- mistreatment and exploitation of staff and left enough loopholes in policy for that to continue.

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Post by Ladybird » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:05 pm

[i]"There is nothing as wild in the books of Man as will probably happen here on Earth...it will happen and be allowed to happen simply because all this is so incredible that nobody will even think of stopping it until it is far, far too late"~LRH[/i]

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Post by Sea Horse » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:17 pm

Lisafer wrote:Could you please tell me what "FSM" stands for?
Lisafer: FSM has been well explained here by the others, but not the AMOUNT they get.

FSMs get 10% commission for all auditing "sold" and 15% of all training courses "sold".
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Post by Lisafer » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:36 pm

Thank you for the explanations and I apologize for the "thread derail". Every question seems to lead to another question, and I appreciate your patience in helping me sort it all out.

I've read the referenced threads both on OCMB and EXSCN, and I think I get it.

I'm glad for TwinA (being out!) and I promise not to mess up your thread anymore!

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