The last time I saw my now x-husband, he came here to my house...
and as he left, I looked at his car and noticed he'd taken off ALL license
plates.

Amazing, eh?

Scientology=religion? My ASS!

These very communications show they *are* a "Mafia-like organization"
as that one Judge said about them.

When Andreas was here, we drove out past Gold and just slowed down to take 1-2 photos of the entrance. As soon as we did, (it was night time) they turned this HUGE Spotlight on our car! We drove by, turned around to head back-------and even driving by, they had their spotlight on us. It was VERY
Nazi Germany like. Spooky~~

Great shots, Roan!

Tory/Magoo~~

Magoo,
Or cold war berlin. Not a very trusting guy your ex...Did he always drive around without license plates?

I went looking for the radio frequency/frequencies that Gold Base would be using. Radio frequencies require a license and as far as I know the allocated frequencies are made public. I did a search for Riverside County frequencies and could not find any listed for Gold Base or anything that might be scientology. I came up dry.

I did find this for Flag Service:

Frequency / Licensee / Call Sign / Location // Address / County / State

462.75000000 / Church of Scientology / Flag Service / WQHJ888 / 27.96547 / -82.79983 503 / Cleveland St / PINELLAS / FL

Stores that sell scanners also sell frequency directories. If Gold Base does have a licensed radio frequency it can be found out. Equipped with a scanner you can listen to them.

Don't forget you can buy a handheld frequency counter off Ebay to read their walkie talkie frequency at close range (like 20 feet or less). So if somebody gets in your face and uses their radio, you can at least post the channel on OCMB.

But don't you already know what you are going to hear anyway? Just the jabberings of some follower of a crazy cult.

Nice pictures, by the way.

Roan thank your for the great pics! Please, please don't go alone anymore. Stay safe and thank you again.

He used to be *very* trusting. I have no idea what Scientology did to him,
but I KNOW they scared the living shit out of him, and 3rd partied him to death about me (Telling him things behind my back-making him think less of me, aka: A 3rd party between 2 people).

Whatever, that's how he arrived, and left, and I've never seen him again.

Oh well-------such is life "in" Scientology.

Freedom? OT? HA! To those lurking: THINK AGAIN!

Tory/Magoo~~

Hey LBV-I have not seen Todd Yamaguchi in years. I remember his wife, Beth died of cancer around 2000. Didn't he remarry?

I wonder if Beth is in any of the "why are they dead" lists. She was only in her 30's.

Braveheart Roan! Great pics & excursion showing the fine manners of the not so humble cult.

Please Roan, don't go it alone ever again!

Next time, take a bunch of anonymous with you to enturbulate the living s*** out of them.

Since I couldn't find a registered frequency for gold I am wondering if their radio actually broadcasts or not. Maybe they carry the thing around and talk into it for appearances.

If they had a radio on the base, wouldn't that be a way for people in the base to reach people outside the base?

I'm speculating but either they are using cheap walkie talkies with a very short range, where a license is not needed, or they are using fake ones just for the intimidation factor.

Roan if you go there again, please, take at least one other person with you and preferably many others.

The apparent care, concern and good advice from you all is much appreciated by me.
Thaaaaaaaank you! I promise I won't go alone again!

I am a bit of a loner though. And the way I approached it (I can't go in to it too much here), I had to do it alone. I had to see for myself and I didn't want to put someone else in the kind of risk I was taking.

I've lived here for over 40 years and I don't like the idea of a Soviet style Gulag operating in MY desert... MY southern California. If somebody insists on doing so, they run the risk of having guys like me poking our noses around.

But IF I ever go again (don't know that I ever will cuz I got way more pictures than I thought I would)... yes! I will take somebody with me!

(Probably an Anon. posse! )

CU's for family and old friends to ID

I sometimes wonder about an "old" guy like Martin Habsheidt. Would he even want to be "rescued" or freed? Where would he go? What would he do with the rest of his days? Would he be like Brooks Hatlen in The Shawshank Redemption: perhaps better off or happier remaining where he is?

He probably doesn't have a choice. Scientology is spiraling quickly as we speak. Without income, even a "last stronghold" or mountain redoubt like Int. Base becomes un-sustainable. Making head gardeners like ***** superfluous.

Exstaff,

Sure did. To Tamara Manka.

Roan,

Great pictures, hope to see even more. I lost most of mine when I left the base.

Re: More people to ID. In the first (new) closeup you can see Waldo again. The second one is Joy Allsop of CMU.

Martin Habscheidt would not want to leave, I'm sure. He is a farmer and might actually enjoy being the Head Gardener, if it wasn't for having to be subjected to all the other group insanities that go on. He'll be there until he makes some mistake that gets him offloaded or has a "bad comm cycle" with COB. He already made the mistake of starting a brush fire back on the Ranch (the kids school that turned into Int RPF and then was sold off) while making firebreaks to prevent brush fires. That didn't get him offloaded, though, since DM happened to made a timely comment that he liked the guy.

Re: The future of the Int Base.

This actually brings up the subject of the future of the Int Base. DM has been utterly fed up with the fact that his "top secret, high security location" has been long since exposed, for which reason he spends the minimum of time possible there. There are very few reasons he comes there at all, the primary one being to prepare for events. He would just like to get rid of the place, and quite possibly will, if he can find a new location and choose his handful of trusted people that won't blow it again. That is pretty pivotal in the question, for he doesn't trust anyone, no even his own wife or other members of the family. He has a close group of assistants that go by the general title of COB Office Staff. Sort of like LRH Pers Office on steroids.

He has mentioned several times the possibility of selling off the Hemet Base, for he "has no use for it." It isn't true he has no use for it, but that is another good way to create instability and insecurity on the people on the base, and he will do anything in his power to make them feel helpless under his almighty power. Actually he wouldn't be able to put together one event if it wasn't for the Gold crew. He could hire outside pros, and he does, but realistically, they know nothing about Scientology and while money can buy quality presentation, he doesn't want to spend any money where he doesn't need to. Despite all that, he is forced to use more and more money on outside professionals.

Even that is no problem with the existing income rates. What is the problem (for DM) is that he has to spend all his time "babysitting" the pros, for he doesn't trust anyone else to do it right than himself! You should actually see this in action on the Gold base, for it is something to behold. In practice it means that whenever DM is "personally having to do something," all other activity stops and almost the entire base has to either work on that same thing or pretend they are interestingly watching and learning from him. Seriously. It brings almost all other production to a halt. For example, the Int Executives, when there were some, were forced to stay with him every moment he was doing something, and STAND BACK AND WATCH HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE. Regularly this meant 18 or more hours a day for weeks on end.

I'm sure he still drags them out of the SP Room to watch and learn every time he goes to the Base, to "do their work for them."

(Perhaps the sarkasm with which I write this doesn't come through, so let me clarify that it is NOT his intention that anyone learns anything and takes back over their duties. His whole game is to intimidate, to make people feel worse-than, hopelessly inferior to him, and put them in a state of mind where they would never dream of having any chance of doing anything to counter his superhuman abilities.)

What really will happen is anyone's guess, but what I believe to be DM's actual plan at this point isn't to replace Int Management with new people.
He sort of hopes he could do it but knows that the only gain is that these are people that don't know what he has been up to and can be controlled better. Problem is, most prospects for replacing current management are no more qualified for those positions than those who were there. They simply are less informed. And, actually, if he was to go through with the plan of expelling all current base staff and bringing in "new blood" (as they are called, appropriate to the vampiric need for them), he is looking at two years of "hands-on education" to get them into the right frame of mind.

So, do I think he is ever actually going to go through with the plan? Hardly.

Predicting what will happen is about as difficult as it is for him to decide what to do. There is no good solution to be had. Trying to put together a core of totally unquestioning supporters who would give their lives for him mostly fails on the lack of trust on his part. No matter how dedicated the person might be, DM "sees outpoints" in their behavior that are "indicators" of disloyalty.

Here is the interesting part: DM actually acts very impulsively, based on his current state of mind. The story of the Int Base could well just suddenly end one day by DM selling off the property and offloading everyone. I mean that literally. It is not the most likely scenario for many reasons, but it could happen.

So here we go into speculation again: DM's only apparent choice is to start a "new" Sea Org. Which is why he would hold onto the trademarks, all corporate power, all financial lines and other points of control. Not only because he is a control-freak, but because he has to have all the ownership to himself to be able to disband the current network and start a new one. But you can again count the obvious problems in implementation: What is he going to do with middle management? What about Flag? Personally root out every "suspect" person that would ever cut across this? Well, it has been going on, at least in middle management for several years now. OSA is down to a fraction of what it used to be. Insanity-based management is taking over Flag at fast pace per reports from recent Flag escapees.

It is ironic that with the exact opposite goal (of "expanding Scientology"), DM is managing to effect almost as much destruction as the combined forces from outside.

Since it is all essentially hinging now on one man, it is more than likely that the final fate, not only of the future of the Int Base, but of the entirety of the Church, will come to a conclusion overnight, in form of one final, massive "mistake" that will not escape the attention of the world.

"Will it happen?" is not much of a question any more. Only exactly when and how are.

Roan,

I can't believe how close you got to those people! Obviously you had a great lens, but still.......those are great shots.

I think you may have a point re *some* of the older folks who have been there for 40 years or so, although I doubt it. SO many people who were in the SO for many years have left and settled in quite well and very happily---so I still hope he gets the chance.

Also, I knew a few older folks when I was at Flag, and from what they told me, it sounded like a mini-nightmare. I remember asking one lady, "Well,
at your age don't they let you off earlier?" She said, "Tory---they ARE supposed to. However, you KNOW Scientology, stats, ethics, etc. Most of them are young kids running the joint now, and they have no clue what it's like at my age to work this hard". Truly, I felt for her---and I still do.

I hope they ALL get free!

Thanks for the view

Tory/Magoo~~