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 Post subject: I Wonder
PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:15 pm 
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Who knows? As Aslan said, '"What would have happened...? No one is ever told that."
But the only way IMHO that the CoS could have reformed would have been if tech had changed. The Fair Game and Disconnection policies would have had to go, as well as the hard sell techniques. These things unfortunately are part of the heart and soul of Scientology, bound up with 'ethics' and income. You can't keep exploiting people if they're free to discuss the flaws of the religion/tech/business with others, and smorgasbord it as they see fit. Just my 2 cents.

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Chapter 12: http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/2 ... inbow.html

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OK, next chapter done...

http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/2 ... s-and.html


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I haven't even clicked through to the latest chapter, and I'm already looking forward to the next one.

Thank you so much for sharing this riveting, well-written story with us!

EDIT: Without giving away any "spoilers," this chapter ends with a real cliff-hanger. It's easy to see why Fishdaddy was such a successful ad man for the cult... and why he's one of the most dangerous critics they've ever created.


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Wow, what a great read.

It shows a lot of the insanity and stupidity of the heads of the cult.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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OMG Jeff. What a fabulous talented writer you are. If scientology would have had an ounce of truth to it we really could have saved the planet.

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I'm a GROWN ASS MAN. A. GROWN. ASS. MAN.....and this story just has me wincin' and grimacin' like a f@ckin' Emo kid at a Pep Rally.

Jeebus, Jeff! I'm bearing down until you get back to that fence at OGH. I KNOW you got out, but, it's like I won't KNOW you got out until you cut that fence or jump it, or whatever. This is a nail-biter, brother! I just got out a malted beverage for comfort...ON A SCHOOL NIGHT!

My ladyfriend was reading over my shoulder and we are BOTH relieved for Nancy and already dreading what's coming for you...14 years ago, that is.

Excellent, spell-binding work, man. I wonder if Tom Cruise will play David Miscavige in the movie version? :wink:

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NattyP wrote:
Thanks so much for taking the time to write this amazing journey in such a clear, compelling narrative!

Amen.
NattyP wrote:
Jeff, I hope you have a publisher!

Me, too. :D

Salino wrote:
The idea of 'nothing left to lose' is (also) what gave me the strength to 'look' at the reality of scientology. I checked out the internet and soon knew that I had spent my last 30 years in a cult/scam. The dominos fell very quickly. It's very hard to watch the people you love remain behind, brainwashed, berated, controlled and not willing or able to hear what you now know is the real truth about scientology.

Well said, Salino. I'm glad you're out. :flower:

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I saw two people threatened with excommunication in the early 80's after blowing. The threat was enough. I recall one of these people scrunched up in a corner on the floor, sobbing his heart out and begging for another chance. That scene is seared into my memory.

As the Anons say: THIS IS WHY!!

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But the only way IMHO that the CoS could have reformed would have been if tech had changed. The Fair Game and Disconnection policies would have had to go, as well as the hard sell techniques. These things unfortunately are part of the heart and soul of Scientology, bound up with 'ethics' and income. You can't keep exploiting people if they're free to discuss the flaws of the religion/tech/business with others, and smorgasbord it as they see fit. Just my 2 cents.

I agree.

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But as fate would have it, Miscavige did his power push and took the C of S down it's current path to destruction.

When I left CoS my auditor said to me (paraphrasing): "If you believe that reforms are needed, don't leave the church; stay and work for the reforms." And I said to him: "There is no mechanism for reform. The entire deck is stacked against it. Reforms cannot come from within." I still believe this. I don't see DM's takeover as fate -- I see it as the logical progression of what LRH set in motion.

CoS was not designed to be run by compassionate people with humane intentions; it was designed to be run by a brutal, greedy, power-mad strongman. CoS and DM are exactly what Hubbard made them. IMO reforms will come only as a result of outside pressure, particularly from ex-Scientologists who tell their stories, as you are doing so effectively, Jeff.


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New chapter up

Almost done!

http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/2 ... ction.html


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Fishdaddy, your story is well told. This chapter must have been tough to write.

It reminded me of what I went through when my wife was transfered from Flag to PAC to work at ASI. No consideration was given to my situation. She was sent for training but then ASI took her and that was that. I was moved into a dorm across town at the QI but often didn't make it to the last bus so I wound up sleeping in a storage room in the SandCastle (sharing the space with millions of roaches). I was told to "make it go right" and recruit and train a replacement, then I could transfer to PAC to be with my wife.

That DM blocks people from having that most important intimate relationship where you have someone who unconditionally loves you, not because your stats are up but just because you're you, that is a true indicator of the paranoid, loveless void he lives in.

Your story focuses on your personal experience yet at the same time shines a bright light on the twisted world of Scn. Management and David Miscavige.

Outstanding work.


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Wow! Beautiful writing. All emotions were evoked in THIS reader during this chapter.

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Two more chapters up now.

http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/2 ... t-one.html

http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/2 ... t-two.html

One more to go


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An unbelievable journey, thank you for sharing this. This cult loves to devour its own.

I remember Foster working the CNC router for the SH trophies. The detail of the model was incredible.


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 Post subject: Unbelievable
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Jeff,

I knew things were bad for sea ogres, having read some of the stories, but I had no idea just HOW bad they really were.

I have to hand it to Miscavige though, one point to admire him for ... for someone who is as evil and psychotic as he is, to maintain power. Other than just blowing, the only other option was mutiny, up to and including disappearing that viscious little asthmatic munchkin. Apparently, mutiny was impossible, because you were all so isolated by mutual distrust of each other that nobody could broach the subject.

Anyways, am looking forward to the next chapter.

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Jeff,

Wow. Continually stunned by DM to say the least.

You are a vary talented man, versed in so many arts. Despite the abuse you went through you continued to persevere and keep your spirit intact. It is incredible the things you learned and accomplished from trophy making to architecture design and on. Complexly completely amazing.

DM is one f*cked up soul.

What will drive DM to the edge? That is my question. What will be the demise of Mr. DM, the narcissistic dark soulless wonder boy?

Thanks for sharing your journey.

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