In Need of Advise: Friend in WISE Job

Demi · **Joined:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:55 pm **Posts:** 2

Hello,

I am writing because a dear friend of mine has been unknowingly working for an affiliate of Scientology's WISE organization. She learned of their Sci-Fi roots and is, understandably, horrified. As a Clearwater native, she can hardly imagine a more undesirable situation--and, accordingly, wants to quit her position immediately. The problem is that, of course, she's terrified of somehow arousing their crueler, super-staulker, insane side...and, naturally, I am afraid for her too.

One of the main reasons I'm concerned is that my friend is intent upon making her reason for leaving known. She believes this is an opportunity to display the importance of choosing ones morals over all else--and especially money...a belief I can empathize with.
No doubt, and as all Clearwater-ians know too well, the noble ability to choose personal morality over insidious greed is a trait sorely missing from Scientology's core teachings.

So here's my dilemma: While I support her desire to quit this position, her reasons for telling them why, even her conviction to 'enlighten through example' (if you will), I can't imagine how she might go about doing so, effectively. Most Sci-Fis I've encountered keep their mile-thick earplugs installed at all times.
I can't imagine what words would ever reach them; I don't want her to endanger herself or her children.

Please advise on what she might say/do to come out of this situation with integrity and without a target on her back. I already feel sure she will stay level-tempered (her's is a morality crusade, after all), so you needn't worry about that.
Her meeting with them is soon...
But please do advise.
Standing by.

(edited due to others recommendation... thanks guys!)

I'mglib · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:17 pm **Posts:** 4971

Hi, Demi! Welcom to the board. Sorry to hear about your friend.

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Most Sci-Fis I've encountered keep their mile-thick earplugs installed at all times.

This is true. If she speaks up, it probably won't make a difference.

However, since she isn't in Scientology, she probably will be hard to target. Since she's already going to quit, they can't use firing as a threat. Likewise, disconnection or the threat of losing her spiritual freedom won't be a threat, either.

Others will probably have more to add, but I just wanted to welcome you.

sekh · **Posted:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:48 pm

Hi Demi (and friend),

My advice would be: Quit, find another job at a non-WISE company, and start talking once that employment is secure. The cult hasn't got the power they once had to ruin lives, but they still have a lot of local clout in the Clearwater area. If she's too vocal before she has a new job, it could become hard for her to find one.

She's no scientologist and she knows no church secrets so she is no danger to the church.
She'll probably have to sign some kind of non-disclosure contract with her ex-employer, but that is normal business procedure nowadays. Still, better have a lawyer take a look.

I don't think she has to worry for her personal safety. The days of the Paulette Cooper case are long gone.They save the real hassling for exes who do know embarrassing secrets about the cult and its leaders. As long as she uses her common sense she'll be oke. But that's just my opinion. There are many more people here who can get you the details about how to continue and what to expect.

Succes for your friend. (And welcome to the board!

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Don Carlo · **Joined:** Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:20 am **Posts:** 8096

She can always write them postcards once she safely has a good new job.

Demi · **Joined:** Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:55 pm **Posts:** 2

Hey guys,
Thanks for the advice, welcomes––and especially for the vote of confidence that my friend may even get out of this, unscathed. I certainly hope so. Do keep her (let's call her 'Kate' I guess...might as well, since this is all so stealthy) in your thoughts over the next few days, yes? Kate's employer rescheduled their meeting, this afternoon, suddenly--without cause--and has now left her several strangely-worded, oddly aggressive phone messages since she requested this conference with them. Naturally, waiting this out is pretty hard for her... she wants it done, but wants to be compliant.

Oh, and one more question:
Kate got this job during the heart of the recession, so she was one of zillions of other applicants, and wasn't quite as accomplished as some of the others she spoke with (during the strange 'cattle call' style interview...filled with lots of test taking and such), yet she was hired and working within three days. Any idea why they chose her? She's now all the more interested in why she was picked. It's definitely not family finances. Kate's concerned that she's somehow attractive to them... and now that they've turned weird on her so suddenly (after they had what, she thought, was a decent relationship) she would just like to be as 'unattractive' to them as possible. She would like to get to that 'postcard' stage..

Any advice would be appreciated.
Thank you all, again.
D

I'mglib · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:17 pm **Posts:** 4971

magoo1 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:11 am

Hi Demi, and welcome to OCMB!

Ok, I was both "in" Scientology for many years, as well as worked for W.I.S.E. Companies.

She needs to move on, however due to the Economy these days, I would tell her (Unless
she's financially independent, or married and they don't *need* her salary) to lay low,
find another job, get hired there and then announce she's leaving and why. (It's far easier
to get a job while working, then when unemployed, plus there's *much* more pressure).

She can avoid doing any Scientology training (they cannot make her, that's against the law, and she can just tell them she's a Christian and doesn't choose to. They'll go into their 'Scientology is a non-denominational :bs:

lines and that she can be both. Tell her to just hold strong on "no thanks". Usually she'll then be sent to "Ethics" where they'll try to find out what is wrong with her, is she connected to evil people (like us) or what? Tell her to just continue with she's happy with her religion, isn't interested in *any* Hubbard training, and see where the ball falls. IF they fire her, at least then she can get unemployment (Until she finds another job---where as IF she quits, I believe she loses that option.

No doubt OSA has read this already, and IF she's in CW--there's a good chance they'll know who she is, or will soon. True, they don't do all that they used to, but they do follow the Net and TRY to covertly terrorize people: Don't let them.

Technically, this is a legal issue, when a business is insisting you *have* to follow their religion (even though they'll SAY it isn't religious, it's the "Hubbard Management technology"---that ALL falls under the umbrella of C of $, Int. More :bs:

Make sure she starts looking for a new job---but first and foremost, she needs to cover her own
ass. (And OSA::: FU. Here's a song for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv3tadz5Q3o

Love to all :alien:

Tory/Magoo
http://www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44

Wieber · **Joined:** Tue May 23, 2006 10:57 pm **Posts:** 8399

What is it with all these brave souls who want to tell scientology off?

First and foremost doing that is a waste of effort at best and at worst it puts their attention on you and you don't want that, because their worst can be really bad. Just google Lisa McPherson and look at the pictures.

Lay low. Line up a new job. Get out. Story ends. Then go and get on with your life.

As to what made your friend attractive -- they probably have sea org type plans for her.

I think Tory has lined up a good plan but if it gets too weird or looks to be too dangerous or too costly to stay then she should get an employment lawyer, who isn't a scientologist and doesn't have any connection to scientology, to help her with her resignation. There may be circumstances and ways to resign and remain eligible for unemployment benefits and an employment lawyer will know about that.

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