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 Post subject: Scientology and Homosexuality.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:17 am 
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Scientology and Homosexualty - my story from the inside...

Dear Reader;

The following is my account of how i got involved in Scientology and how i was treated when they discovered i was gay. There is more to my roller coaster ride in this cult that i will share later but this is about the homosexual discrimination and the physical and mental abuise i suffered as a result.

In year 10 i was working for family in a CD store in Albury, NSW. I really loved my job and loved this part of my family, they always seemed so happy and in charge of life. I was a very shy teenager and for as long as i can remember had been a gay., tho i dared not tell anyone or act upon it. My Auntie and Uncle suggested that i come and do a Communications Course to help me get more confident. I was a bit hesitant about this but went ahead and went to Canberra where the place was. I wasn't really sure what "Scientology" was but i always knew that only this part of my family was into it. The course was a tad odd and i remember thinking of several occasions how is this meant to help me. Well i am one that can testify now this course changed my life. I came right out of my shell and finally could look people in the eye when i spoke with them.

After this i moved a few times with my mum and had no further training for a few years. In this time i had also had 1 heterosexual relationship and we had a daughter. My next experience with the Church was hearing that my cousin that i was very close to had joined the "Sea Org" and worked and lived with them in sydney. Well i didn't really know what "Sea Org" was but i just wanted to visit my cousin and make sure she was ok.

When i arrived in Sydney from Newcastle i found my way to Greek St in Glebe where i was told my cousin was. I walked in the reception and there she was. Well this didn't seem to bad, the place was immaculate, and expensive. My reservations were somewhat relived. A lady saw me talking to my cousin and swiftly came over to enquire what i was doing here. I said my cousin worked here and i just wanted to see her. I was told she was about to come off shift and if i wanted to watch a quick movie to past the time she would put one on. I agreed. Well i was led to the projector room. The "Sea Organisation" recruitment video came on. They were saving the planet, it needed to be done now, they need more people. It stopped and started to replay... This went on over and over i estimate between 10-20 times... Finally a lady came in and said she wanted me to answer a questionnaire. I was feeling quite drowsy and went along. I was suddenly on a body routing form all i wanted to do was see my cousin.

I answered the questionnaire and then was body routed back to the movie theater to watch another film this time about LRH. After this was played 3-4 times the lady came and got me and handed me back to my cousin. She explained that they wanted me to join the Sea Organization as well but it was completely up to me and all we had to do was wait for the Personality Test results to come back and in the mean time we caught up.

The results arrived and they said that the results were ok and i would just need to meet with an Auditor. I was led to a very small room and told to sit at the table. I had seen an E-meter before and knew the process. I was asked a series of questions about the exam and weather i answered the questioner truthfully.This was all fine. When i returned to the lobby my cousin said that i would need to complete a project prepare.

I was told i needed to sign a billion year contract as a "token" of my dedication and that everyone just did it. I was led to believe that it was meaning less anyways and at the time did not know the consequences as a result of my defection.

I was told that i would need to complete a number of courses at my own expense to complete this. They said i was to call my mum and tell her i need her to pay for one of the courses and it was really important. I was drilled through the entire process prior to calling her and actively coached the entire way through it. I felt a bit weird doing this as i had never asked for big sums of money like that before. I completed my next course in my project prepare fairly quickly it was the Ups & Downs Course ( A course designed to help you improve you outlook on life and deal with any situation). Part of this course was writing down all your Overs and Omissions that you have ever done. This is wear the truth came out.

As part of this process i was again audited and asked a very long series of questions.Some were very disgusting like had i had sex with children or animals i was disgusted that they would even ask that questions... then in amongst all theses filthy things they ask have you had sex with another male . The e-meter reacted. I had been outed. My worst nightmare was about to come true. None of my family at this point knew i was gay.

The Auditor quickly left the room and after about 40 minuets of sitting alone in the room a lady walked in and said I had to go to ethics and we would "handle" the homosexual situation. I was then led to Ethics and told to study a booklet "The way to Happiness" i had to word clear (look up the meaning of every work contained in the booklet) and i had to memorize the meanings and the entire booklet and i would be tested. This took me almost a week. During this time i was spending 8-10 hours a day in ethics and then taken to an apartment close by and audited away from the church by a special auditor to handle the gay topic. This involved the auditor demanding specific, detailed and very private information out of in of my sexual experiences with men and other various aspects of my life. This would go on for anywhere between 7-10hours a night. After i completed that course i was going to be put to work with the e-meter doing free personality test on the street.. However a PTS (Potential Trouble Source) situation occurred where a friend reported that he was concerned i was being held against my will.

I was coached by 2 handlers how to handle the police and i was told exactly what to say over and over and there were sever punishments for not following what you are being told.

I was sleep deprived and violated by these questions. I was also given a status of "Non Exsistance" by the church as well. This meant that no one could look at me or speak to me because they believed that homosexuality is a contagious disease. I was victimized and abused about my sexuality in that apparent and it still scares me to this day. I wanted to help save the planet so bad and be with my cousin to look after her. But my ice was wearing thin..

The final straw came when the Church some how found out i had regained contact with the mother of my child and i was told to instantly disconnect from her because "What type of woman would want to have a child with a poof.. She must be an SP". She was the only contact that i had still to the outside world. And that pissed me right off. I remained calm because i knew that i had to be smart to get out.

I snuck out to the tree where i had my mobile phone hidden that night and made a distraught phone call to her. Come and rescue me please. She said she would meet me tomorrow at this time. The plan was set.

The next night i tried to organised all my stuff together and pretended to go to sleep with everyone else. I got up about 4am and started to sneak off i tried to grab all my stuff but before i could someone woke up and noticed i was running. He chased after me i had to drop most of my belongings and got in her car and left. I had finally escaped.

I share this story as i believe it shows you that the Church of Scientology's total disregard for Human Rights and their attitude towards homosexuals. There is so much more that happened and i will share those stories when the time is right. This shows how ruthless the cult is and will take advantage of their control over you the second they have it.

Please feel free to support this facebook group or share with any people that you think would support this cause.

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http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=17192

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology and Homosexuality.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:31 am 
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Hey, Tamasin-SP, I'm glad you posted this. There have been many stories about COS being anti-homosexual, and they have always denied it. Hopefully others will chime in.

What year did this happen? You say, "In year 10," but does that mean you were 10 years old?

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology and Homosexuality.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:06 am 
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Hi I'mglib,

This is not my story.However, I have some friends that are gay and having read this thought it should be highlighted.

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What year did this happen? You say, "In year 10," but does that mean you were 10 years old?


In England 'year 10' is a school year, their age would be about 16 years old. Maybe it's different in other parts of the world.

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology and Homosexuality.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:31 am 
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Alright, if someone asks you to join the "Sea Org," say this, "I have taken LSD."
That brings that recruitment cycle to an immediate screeching halt.
They don't have to know that LSD could stand for Lentil Soup Du jour, among other things.

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology and Homosexuality.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:20 pm 
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Thanks for posting this, tamasin-sp. :)
The writer gives a vivid account of his experiences in the cult.
It includes many of the abuses with which we are only too familiar. Things like disconnection, heavy financial pressure, sleep deprivation and exerting control on the individual to the point where he has to hide his phone and feels the need to make his escape in the middle of the night to regain his freedom.

There's a lot more to his account ; well worth reading.


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 Post subject: Re: Scientology and Homosexuality.
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What strikes me is the apparent ease at which an attempt to see a cousin becomes a full blown mind and body grab, almost kidnapping.

I'm a couple weeks away from 60 and one of the things I am discovering about advanced years is that I can say practically anything to anyone. I can flirt with a young waitress, tell her how beautiful she is, etc. because we both know I am not a threat.

I'm starting to think that youth has something to do with that ease of recruitment. They haven't lived long enough to spot subtle bullshit. At my age now I would not have stood for the repeating movies, endless forms, questionings, and shuffling between offices for one minute. If my first polite "No thank you, I'm not interested" is ignored, any other repeated recruiting efforts would be met with a firm "Hey, get the fuck out of my face. I'm here to meet my cousin." It's easy to do when you're old, not so much when you're young.

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology and Homosexuality.
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Wieber wrote:
Alright, if someone asks you to join the "Sea Org," say this, "I have taken LSD." That brings that recruitment cycle to an immediate screeching halt.


Unless you're a trust fund kid like Tommy Davis. Policy also dictates that past drug users can't cruise on the Freewinds, but it didn't stop Lisa Marie Presley & others.


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 Post subject: Re: Scientology and Homosexuality.
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Never forget that Hubbard was a product of the Fifties and back then homosexuality was viewed as a crime. In Florida the vice squads targeted the gay bars and conducted other witch hunts. I still remember the "sting" that resulted in the firing of a number of gay professors in our university system, notably the University of Florida. Homosexuals were spied on and arrested for personal sexual acts conducted in their own homes. They would be arrested and charged by those who were the true trespassers, those who spied on them through windows and viewed them engaging in these so-called "criminal" acts.

This is why I don't believe that Scientology is now pro-gay. They may appear to be leaning in that direction as they have to revise their public position against what is no longer criminal in the public purview and by law. And in the meantime, as time goes by, Dianetics becomes more antiquated and less useful. Soon the cult will have to face the prospect of revising the "sheep dip" it calls holy writ or suffer the same "spiritual" dilemmas confronting the Catholic Church.


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 Post subject: Re: Scientology and Homosexuality.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:45 am 
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The church is definitely, nor probably never will be, pro-gay. Paul Haggis, the director (?) of "Crash" quit via an open letter to Tommy Davis. In it, he slammed the church's position on homosexuality and their stand on Proposition 8 (the California constitutional amendment that says marriage is only between a man and a woman). As long as other churches support homosexuality as wrong and evil, Scientology will, too.

I know I've told this story once or twice here, but this is appropriate place to tell it again.

I have two friends, haven't seen them for awhile, but these two friends are a couple. They've been together for years, are professionals who run a business together, and are the same sex. They were also members of Scientology.

They hadn't got that far in the cult. I'm not sure if they got in through WISE, but they worked and lived together, and did Scientology together.

One day while at their local Org, each was called, separately, into an office. Several Scientologists, probably an ethics officer as well as others, told them, "you can't be gay in Scientology. Either leave your partner, or you'll have to leave Scientology and OMG LOOOSE UR ETURNITIE!!1!!" To their credit, they both chose eachother and told Scientology to f*** off. They're still together, by the way.

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology and Homosexuality.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:58 pm 
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Simonymous wrote:

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One day while at their local Org, each was called, separately, into an office. Several Scientologists, probably an ethics officer as well as others, told them, "you can't be gay in Scientology. Either leave your partner, or you'll have to leave Scientology and OMG LOOOSE UR ETURNITIE!!1!!" To their credit, they both chose eachother and told Scientology to f*** off. They're still together, by the way
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Good for them.

There is a lot in Scientology that you are not allowed to do or be.

Which is kinda weird as you are allowed to become a valance of someone else in a previous life.How the hell does that work?

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Judith Anderson wrote:
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Never forget that Hubbard was a product of the Fifties and back then homosexuality was viewed as a crime. In Florida the vice squads targeted the gay bars and conducted other witch hunts. I still remember the "sting" that resulted in the firing of a number of gay professors in our university system, notably the University of Florida. Homosexuals were spied on and arrested for personal sexual acts conducted in their own homes. They would be arrested and charged by those who were the true trespassers, those who spied on them through windows and viewed them engaging in these so-called "criminal" acts.


I don't think Hubbard was a product of the 50s, Scientology was. Hubbard goes back earlier. Homosexuality was considered a crime back then as was being black. Wonder who thought that little gem up?

I know people who are still racist and homophobic today, it is a sad world when parents bring their children up to have these biases.

Fortunately things are changing, be it ever so slowly.

You think scientology can change? I doubt that very much.

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology and Homosexuality.
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You are right, Tamasin - I should have indicated Scientology as a product of the Fifties, not LRH, just as I would indicate McCarthyism, not Joe McCarthy as a product of that same decade.


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