Pitbull, I am starting to understand you. You want the tech to deliver what it promised.

You want to be able to lay out your dinero, and get what you paid for.

I still hold to my dearly hard won opinion that LRH "tech" is a dangerous mix of psychology, religion, hypnotism, satanism and God knows what else concocted by a certifiable paranoid schizophrenic, bipolar, pathological liar and con man.

I think it is much wiser to trace back the true originators of the workable technology and use the true source rather than risk your mental health to the teachings of a UFO nut cake.

However, I totally respect your right to pick through LRHs cow pies and eat anything that LOOKS like a raisen. (You can't tell by the smell, after 50 years of marinating in scientology.)

Audtiting may or may not work for some, and I have no problem with any religion or therapy any one wants to try on themselves.

My problem is with the criminal, abusive activities of the "church"<spit> of scientology.

I want them to stop hurting people. No more disconnections, no more forced abortions, no more financial scams, no more RPF, no more reverse processing, no more destroying peoples lives while the top dogs live in luxury. No more using voluteers as slaves and throwing them out if they get old or sick. ETC,ETC,ETC...

The ORGANIZATION of scientology has to go, and if some of you want to play around in the bait bucket of "tech" LRH stole and plagiarized to set his trap, I wish you would go do it elsewhere.

To me, supporting and defending the "tech" of scientology is distracting to bringing the "Organization" of scientology to justice. It leads people to think there is something valuable that only scientology has, when in fact the really useful stuff was stolen and perverted, and is available at your local library or college or bookstore in it's original form.

If the promises of scientology were true, they would be priceless, and would have long ago changed the world for the better.

L. Ron Hubbard left this world worse off for his having lived.

The longer I post here the more a theory I have becomes apparent. It seems the tech did not work well at all for a segment of people. By that I mean zero auditing gains or very minimal. The one thing they may have in common is false attests.

Pit Bull wrote:

I just wonder about the long run. Auditing is making only very slow inroads into the more traditional or "accepted" professional type of practices.

Alan:

Actually the use of the technology is growing at a quantum rate.

I’d love to tell you what presidents of countries are getting auditing, what heads of Governments Departments are getting auditing, what heads of corporations, what churches are processing their people, what best selling authors put the tech in their books, there are 1,000’s of coaches using the positive tech, two of the largest Chiropractic Teaching Centers have been using bits of the tech for 40 years.…..it is enormous the amount of people out there using the positive tech.

Ladybird,

You are absolutely right.

Do you want to know how I got conned?

Just like you.

Let’s take just one word: Auditing. It means one who listens and computes.

Does it? No really means, one who runs a process and does some listening.

Process: A series of actions or operations conducing to an end result. (Webster’s)

So we go from a word and activity that has been in existence since the beginning of time....It now gets altered into another word that has a somewhat obscure meaning - and then into another word, that has totally different meaning. Viola a brand new subject - yeah, especially on someone who was as dumb and illiterate as me I'm enthralled.

That is just one word.

Gee, umike. Are you using the scientology definition of "suppresive person" to slyly accuse me of being an SP?

There are a couple of problems with your theory. First of all, I AM a bona fide official declared SP, and I am very happy about that.

Then, why would I stay in for decades and do all that training and auditing if I didn't believe it worked? I fell for it, hook, line and sinker.

As far as "false attests", according to GAT (Golden Age of Tech) EVERY SINGLE scientologist who ever attested to anything false attested, that is why DM said we all had to pay for retraining and re-auditing everything we already did and paid for. GAT is not the first time previous levels and wins have been invalidated, canceled and blamed on some squirell tech and been re-issued, either.

If YOU had such great wins from the tech, why did YOU quit after HQS? And why are you hanging around here harrassing critics almost 30 years later instead of emptying out YOUR piggy bank into DMs pocket?

Alan, yes, the secret language and redefinition of words is a classic cult tactic, and LRH was very good at it.

I remember being "handled" when my family told me I was in a cult. Hubbard has redefined "cult" in his own dictionaries to mean nothing more than the practice of a religion, completely leaving out any negative connotations of the common usage of the word.

That is just one more word...

As for as auditing success goes, this is likely a major reason the church like to offload so many people and designate huge numbers of people as "Illegal PC's" or other categories. Then there is the whole "Scientology is for the Able" bit. If people are Able, they likely are doing well and will likely do even better with some auditing.

At the moment, we may have to assume that only a small percentage are actually either qualified or wealthy enough to get serious positive gain in the church. Most staff and sea org get little auditing anyhow, so they don't factor in.

But if you are a Cruise or a moderately successfull dentist (or chirporactor) you might be able to go along quite nicely in the church for years and years. Making some gains and being so focued any your career and bridge you don't notice the evil behind the curtain.

Alan,

It is not an overt for [fill in the blank] to make money. (Providing they deliver what they promise.)

Of course, that is the way a free-market economy works.


I finally completed it (I hope) about 3 weeks ago, 43 years of work and I had co-processed almost 3,000 hours on it by the end of 1963...

Are you willing to publish these results publically?

"I’d love to tell you what presidents of countries are getting auditing, what heads of Governments Departments are getting auditing, what heads of corporations, what churches are processing their people, what best selling authors put the tech in their books, there are 1,000’s of coaches using the positive tech, two of the largest Chiropractic Teaching Centers have been using bits of the tech for 40 years.…..it is enormous the amount of people out there using the positive tech." - Alan Walter

If you'd love to tell us, Alan, why don't you? I'd love to know - especially which presidents of countries.

That kind of boasting sounds really familiar. Like the CoS "success stories" with just the initials after them. And the good old chiropractors - curious that so many chiros, or so it would appear, get into the tech. The guy who started TheReconnection.com biz was/is a chiropractor, too.

That's pretty cool, but most people are not "heads of governments or corporations". Are you saying that auditing is primarily for the wealthy? I guess that's no different than anything else in this world.
I, for one, think the new sleeper beds in first class airplaces are pretty cool, but I may not be flying overseas very soon for my next international meeting.

This sort of division between haves and have nots is a big reason for the crazed A-rabs and other assorted towel-heads sending their kids to school to learn how to be human bombs.

Bull...

Jeeeeeeeeeeesh....you really are quite a piece of work. Now you're comparing Alan's work to the A-rabs? Come on, man. He's already stated quite well that he believes in training, which is quite cheap, where one can learn how to audit, and do quite well... and don't say you cannot until you try his way. He isn't C of S.

There are always those who don't want to "Do it"....they want others to fix them, so to speak, and those people generally are willing to pay the price. So? Ya got a problem with that?

You can have coach, or first class. Ya want first class? Ya gotta pay. Simple. We've had that system here in the USA (and around the world, really) for eons.

I'm not saying I agree with all of the system, as I do NOT. It's way out of contol....but you're comparison isn't fair, either.

Try doing something fun today. I am. We'll compare notes

Tory/Magoo~~

Girlfriend Wrote: If you'd love to tell us, Alan, why don't you? I'd love to know - especially which presidents of countries.

That kind of boasting sounds really familiar. Like the CoS "success stories" with just the initials after them.

Alan:

Girlfrind you should go back and read the original reference I gave the answer to....

Outing people is one of the lowest actions one can do, in school, the school snitches are the most detested and distrusted kids in school.

If someone wants to come out in the open and tell their story that’s fine.

Further none of the above are clients of mine, they are clients of people who have long ago broken away from Scio., or studied Scio and combined it with other workable tech's.....the underground field has been gathering momentum for almost as long as Scio has been in existence.

Most of the people on this list have been cocooned in the "Truman Story". One of ideas you've been fed is:....”Only organized Scio can save you; if you leave you will fail.”

All I'm pointing out is there is great big wide world out there.

I got my in situ processing 13 years ago through a program developed by “Lou Tice” who founded a company called "Pacific Institute".

The program is called “Investment in Excellence”. My company paid for it and participation was voluntary.

It's not all that expensive!

Lou Tice Bio

The program has two parts, personal and professional.

I’m looking through the personal work book as I post this.

“Invent Your Future … if you don’t, be assured, someone else will“.

It’s a 6 month, on the job, program starting with a full week of assessing ones own strengths and weaknesses. Facilitators then work with individuals to help “reprogram the hard drive” through some pretty powerful reflection processes models that address the individuals problem areas not only in the work environment but at home.

Once debugged from ones “blind spots” caused by various factors found in ones past and present, personal affirmations are developed to take home work on and fill in the blanks for the future!

Interesting enough, there is no scientologiese in it.

http://www.pac-inst.com/

It’s not only a corporate program with facilitators who come in and work with people in industry, corporations, government and governments, you can go there and take the course.

There are so many options out there, one need only look!

I finally completed it (I hope) about 3 weeks ago, 43 years of work and I had co-processed almost 3,000 hours on it by the end of 1963...

P Guy wrote: Are you willing to publish these results publicly?

Alan:

Are you nutzzzzzzzzzzzzz! I'm not even willing to write it up.

Do you have any idea what it costs a writer to even write a 200 page book? At least $30,000 more likely $80,000. He has to support himself for months, pay his own living expenses, pay typists, even if he likes to type it is a terrible lonely existence, for you need to cut yourself off from life for months at a time.

To make matters worse you need an audience that wants what you write.....and I sure haven't got one of those.

Maybe you can strike a "deal" with Tory.
She'll come down, train, clean up her case,
and in exchange she can take dictation and
do the "leg-work" to get your book out
in the world.