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>>> Paraphrasing Walter:

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Main Entry:1para£phrase
Pronunciation:*per-*-*fr*z,*pa-r*-
Function:noun
Etymology:Middle French, from Latin paraphrasis, from Greek, from paraphrazein to paraphrase, from para- + phrazein to point out
Date:1548

1 : a restatement of a text, passage, or work giving the meaning in another form
2 : the use or process of paraphrasing in studying or teaching composition


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I remember this Allen Walter guy now… Holy crap I can’t believe it!

A fracken tyrant in the mid 70’s who came to the Evanston Org, Il., who lectured.


I can well imagine your terror.

Chicago Org, circa 1975, what a disaster.

Pretence, lies, approval addiction, delusion, fake tech., fake training, staff walking around in a deluded trance state.

They were going to save the world......

No sovereignty, no origination, the greatest collection of insane Hubbarbots you ever saw.

No wonder you don't think the tech ever worked. You never came near it!

Everything you complain about in Scio., your Org was the personification of it.

Any wonder you got messed up, it was a group full of hate, envy and jealousy towards each other.

It was at this point I began to exit Scio., it became self evident that Scio., had no decent future......very hard to confront.....kept on hoping....but finally I like 100's of others quietly began the exodus out of Scio.

Angry! I would say that was putting it mildly.


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>>> I can well imagine your terror.


I wouldn’t put it that way. I’d not say that even then I was afraid of you. I was shocked, mostly… sort of mystified as to your approach. I was too new into scientology to be able to put it in context like I can now.

>>> Angry! I would say that was putting it mildly.

Alan, as I recall your anger was not directed toward the gist of your post (that is toward the staff). My recollection is that you were just an angry guy, and the anger was spilling wherever.

Perhaps it is as you say. You were exiting at the time, disappointed in general and upset with the future as you saw it coming. If I were in your shoes at that time, I’d likely be just as angry. But I was not in your shoes. I was a beginner.

I’m not saying you are an angry guy now… though your lashing out earlier toward the ex members (who were in at the time you were exiting and who you were admonishing on this thread) did remind me of the 70’s experience I referred to with you in Evanston, Il. Perhaps you are now just a nice guy. I hope so.

As you are fully aware, I am a “nobody�, so my words here have no meaning other than what they say as you read.

Unlike you, a “somebody�, your words have extra meaning other than what they say because people who are disgruntled with the church but who have still a belief in the tech, commit the same error they did then. They read beyond the words before them, and add the dreams.

Fine. That is how you are making your income. You are a “somebody�.

My complaint is not with you and your “Somebodyism�. It is with your thread title, “Rebuilding Your Life�. I see here further hurt.

Everyone here has their own way of working through being scammed and screwed. That’s the hurt they/we must work through.

Your contention that the tech works, BUT, for what you have figured… plus likely what you have added/changed… makes me angry such as you were back then.

Just so you know, I have no opposition to you. All the power to you. I think anyone who goes to you for spiritual guidance deserves what they get… a continuance of what they needed to get over in the first place. I have no more sympathy for the delusional who have the whole story at their fingertips.


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Great post, SRF.

To Alan, who I talked to at length on my way out, I would say:

With power, one must have responsibility.

Hubbard was an ugly beast, but he had that charisma, the ability to make people believe him. He wasn't stupid, but he was narcisistic and greedy. What he, and perhaps you, did not realize is that your power stems not from yourself, but your god (whoever that is) given talents that not everyone has.

It is YOUR responsibility to use what you have been given in a way that benefits, rather than takes advantage of, your fellow human beings.

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Dear Ladybird,

Thank you for the kind, well spoken words.

I’ve been thinking about this thread on and off throughout my normal day to day routine.

Part of (maybe a large part of) rebuilding is to… how should I say… deconstruct the nomenclature.

In Alan’s case… I have been thinking and wondering… could he make it on his own (as we used to say, in a new unit of time) (as I would say, from scratch from a blank slate).

My feeling is that he could not. He’d have to explain all of his ideas in English, and then from that English gather a following. But he does not do that. He uses the same language as that we are trying to break from, realizing full well that there are hangers-on. My feeling is that his claim to fame is possible only, upon the backs of established believers, not made by him but by a former mentor.

“Wholetrack, Sec Check, Date and Locate, By Passed Charge, Auditing�… even the word, “Tech�. These are Hubbardian, not Walterian.

I do not begrudge Alan Walter a nickel that he’d take. And as I have read here on this forum, there are a lot of nickels for the taking. There are a lot of hangers-on… disgruntled with church administration… but believers. The path to recovery will just be delayed for them with distractions such as it is. I’m sorry for that, but not sympathetic.

Choices and consequences.


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I for one appreciated this whole thread. WOW, what an insight!
Thank you to all who contributed. (yes even the flying monkey's help complete the picture as to the opposition of people telling their stories).

From an outsider looking in.

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I think Alan Walters would have been successful in whatever he endeavored. I think it is unfortunate for Alan and our generation that he got caught up in Hubbards web.

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Sorry if this strays away from whingeing about the past but, although I also have a million 'old days' stories, I believe life is a just a series of experiences, some rough weather and some smooth sailing. Today is the only thing that exists. Over it. Can't be looking backwards if you wanna stride forwards.

But in order to make the best of today good tools would be helpful. Not necessarily the spoonfed considerations that end up hard-wired in your head, affecting ther way you think, observe, evaluate, interact.

You can't rebuild something until the old structure is fully dismantled.
Say, for example, Scio 'Tech' itself.
After half a lifetime I am still weeding the workable and empirically proven correct bits from the old embedded mis-conceived 'data', much of which turns out to be just plain fantasy. Made up.
But to be fair you have to dismantle the assumption of rightness or wrongness then investigate things like likeliness, provenness, and of course workability opf data or information. Like a scientist, who works back from results or what exists, to find out how and why. Observe and catalogue before making conclusions.
i.e A internal myth of my own fairly recently busted -- of course study tech works ...or wait a minute...does it REALLY? Put it up against competitive techniques, emerging technologies, the latest quantum learning developments, brain research and a few thousand years of developed and quite successful education. Eventually you find that Scio has a couple of workable study hints but not a lot more. Shrug.

It took 10-15 years or so before I could honestly and without bias (either way) srutinize the basic tech let alone remove it from my mental software. But I have. :wink:

My #1 Hint: Compare!

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"But to be fair you have to dismantle the assumption of rightness or wrongness then investigate things like likeliness, provenness, and of course workability opf data or information. Like a scientist, who works back from results or what exists, to find out how and why. Observe and catalogue before making conclusions.
i.e A internal myth of my own fairly recently busted -- of course study tech works ...or wait a minute...does it REALLY? Put it up against competitive techniques, emerging technologies, the latest quantum learning developments, brain research and a few thousand years of developed and quite successful education. Eventually you find that Scio has a couple of workable study hints but not a lot more. Shrug."


LOL, Mr DJ! Recently I found out that one of my favourite on-line dictionary sites; http://www.onelook.com/ : is run by.... :ncool: ...SCIENTOLOGISTS!!!!

But if you think about it, who better to create a Dictionary site than scientologists?

I have to admit that they have done a great job of compiling over 900 dictionaries and in fact is the best place on the Internet to locate the meaning of a word.

Credit where credit is due, and where would the world be without the obsessed?

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From the "ONE LOOK DICTIONARY" site:

Study Technologies

Home About

Study Technologies (of Colorado)

Study Technologies is an independent company located in the state of Colorado, USA and owned by Robert K Ware (link includes contact information) and was inspired by Study Technology developed by L. Ron Hubbard.

Our purpose is to "improve world communication" by improving correct understanding of the meaning of words. Projects include the following.

* MyWord New project, better than a dictionary or glossary.
Browse alphabetical list - fastener subject list - grammar subject list - printed circuit board subject list


* Bob and Doug picture OneLook® Dictionaries was created in 1996 and sold to Datamuse in 2002. This was the first special purpose search engine on the Internet. With over 900 dictionaries in the list, it is the best place on the Internet to locate the meaning of a word.

* aShelf A place to archive glossaries (no longer being maintained)

The assistance of Golden Gate Graphics and various people at the Church of Scientology of Colorado is appreciated.


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RAY KEMP FLAG INCIDENT

An incident that leapt to view connected to LRH’s unbelievable jealousy of someone doing well.

It occurred in Madeira, Canary Islands around December 1974, I had just come aboard the Apollo just as Ray Kemp was leaving to go back to the US to his Mission in Orange County. I talked with Ray for about an hour and he raved at how well Hubbard had treated him, having him dine with him and spend several hours talking with him. Ray had known LRH since he was a child; LRH had often stayed at Ray’s mother’s house who was a close personal friend as were both Ray and his wife Pam.

As Ray left the ship, LRH saw him off, shaking hands and wishing him well. I was standing about 20 feet away. Ray left. LRH turned, called Bob Young who was 1st Mate (basically the senior ethics officer of all Scio.) over and gave him some very specific orders. I couldn’t hear what was being said, but I saw Bob go almost into shock. After LRH left, I walked over to Bob and asked him what had just happened. Bob was stunned, he blurted out “LRH just told me to contact the GO in England and totally destroy Ray and take his Mission away from him.�

Ray had made the most deadly mistake you could do with LRH, “boast that you were doing something better than LRH could do.�

It wasn’t long after that maybe 3 months, that Ray was destroyed and he and Pam were declared SP and their properties were stolen from them.

Many years later at the 1st Mission Holders meetings the 1st thing we accomplished was to get back Ray’s property, we also got back Bent Corydon’s building for him.

WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND!

Interview with Kima Douglas, Oakland, California, 27 August 1986

Kima from 1973 to 1980, became LRH’s unique combination of nurse, aide de camp and confidante.

Towards end of the time at La Quinta there was lot of security. He always took a big guy from HCO [Hubbard Communications Office] with him. People watched the perimeters on guard. There were two watchmen at night.

LEAVING LA QUINTA.

When Kemp’s franchise had their war with the GO and their people were sneaking around taking photographs. They were trying to photograph LRH. ( The Kemp's never knew the orders came directly from LRH.)

That meant all the “enemies� knew where we were.

Michael and I and LRH split.

We had a big white truck with a bed in the back. Michael was driving; LRH was in the back with me in the front. Over the mountains, up hairpins, very fast.

He’s in the back saying, “We’ve got to go faster, got to get out of here! I’m going to be sick!�


He had seen people snooping round while he was out for a walk with a
messenger and came back and said, “We’re getting out now.� It was
about 9 in the evening when he left. We slept in a motel in the
mountains that night. The next day we went down to Hemet Lake and
found a really seedy motel down there on the lake. We stayed there for
a month.

* * *

Fair game may be a way to utterly ruin people but it takes a tremendous toll on the one’s who instigate the act, for they too are always expecting to be utterly ruined, they end up continuously going to extraordinary solutions to prevent that from happening, they finally finish up in the worst of states, as they have no friends, every person or entity is a potential enemy and they live in a self-created forever threatening dangerous environment.

For those who want to know what LRH the man was like to live with, this is a fascinating interview.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/cos/rmiller-src/kima.htm


This is all anyone really needs to know about L. Ron Hubbard.

WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT!!!

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Scientology ruined my life. How do I get it back? Does anyone know of any help for someone whose life has been ruined by Scientology; bad, wrong auditing, etc., etc... clear7777


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Hi, clear7777. Welcome to OCMB.

If possible, can you tell us more about what happened? I'm sure that there are people here who can chime in. You are not alone in feeling the way you do. Do you have disconnected family? Are you trying to get money back? Is your job in jeopardy?

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Scientology ruined my life. How do I get it back? Does anyone know of any help for someone whose life has been ruined by Scientology; bad, wrong auditing, etc., etc... clear7777


Welcome, clear7777 -

Coming here is a good start. :) There are a lot of ex-Scientologists here that have gained a lot of wisdom. You might also visit

http://freedomofmind.com/help/oneself/

This is Steve Hassan's website. He's an excellent resource -- he was once a Moonie.

Yeah, tell us what you need... congratulations on leaving! Your life can be bright now...

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Scientology ruined my life. How do I get it back? Does anyone know of any help for someone whose life has been ruined by Scientology; bad, wrong auditing, etc., etc... clear7777



Clear7777,

Let's hear your story.

You don't have to be too specific that allows people to identify who you are, but it helps to get it all out, if only for the opportunity to vent.

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Scientology ruined my life. How do I get it back? Does anyone know of any help for someone whose life has been ruined by Scientology; bad, wrong auditing, etc., etc... clear7777


Dear clear 7777,

This POS thread is what behooved me to start the 'Really Rebuild Your Life Thread' ( viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15092 ), back in '05 I believe. I called Walters out, with pure experiential truth, and he called me a liar. That pissed me off so much that I started my own thread to combat his BULL SHIT.

You are in the WRONG thread my friend. This is OLD NEWS as he was trolling for "clients", praying on disgruntled x-members. There were many who worshiped him as a god. Sound familiar?

I seriously push you to read my ENTIRE thread... there is a WEALTH of info there for you which will seriously help you! And then post there! MANY people will be there for you!!!

Allen Walters may have his place in history, but he is just as fucked up as Hubbard ever was, and I DESPISE his attempt to feed at the bottom like an algae-eater.

You are RIGHT! Scientology ruined you life! Now you need to un-ruin it. It will take some work, my friend... but you, like so many others...CAN DO IT!

My very best to you!

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