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 Post subject: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:53 am 
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In the interview with Jason Beghe, he says the L's are what messed him up. Can anyone tell me what the L's are or is there a link explaining it? Can't find a reference anywhere on the net. THANK YOU EVERYONE! -ZEUS


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crylozeus wrote:
In the interview with Jason Beghe, he says the L's are what messed him up. Can anyone tell me what the L's are or is there a link explaining it?


They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Here's all you need to know about the L's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZGi7cBvd5w

J. Swift started a great thread when this video first surfaced a couple years ago!

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 Post subject: Re: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
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Yeah That lady is pretty crazy. Nuff said. Thanks so much you guys. ZEUS


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:27 pm 
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So, a question, are there remedies to fixing oneself after the L's or do you just have to grin and bear it? Just asking.


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 Post subject: Re: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:39 pm 
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The L's do mess people up, and badly. Scientology claims the L's "achieve" STABLE EXTERIORIZATION WITH FULL PERCEPTION." Stable exteriorization with full perception in the real world, however, is not something valuable or desirable at all. It is a permanent or semi-permanent dissociated condition. Hubbard knew that people are easier to control in this kind of condition. It's hard to believe that the cult's most expensive auditing does this kind of damage. Now that I think of it though, so much time and knowledge is used for evil in Scientology, it's really not all that hard to believe that the highest priced part is too. The price would add to the rest of the damage being done, so really the most expensive auditing is the most damaging.

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The L Rundowns and Exteriorization

HOW THE Ls ACHIEVE STABLE EXTERIORIZATION WITH FULL PERCEPTION


When describing the results of the L Rundowns, LRH wrote, "When I was C/Sing the Ls I would never let a pre-OT leave the ship unless he'd gone exterior with full perceptions and was able to maintain it."

The Ls are the only rundowns in Scientology that have as a stated result, stable exteriorization. This is achieved by doing them in a precise sequence: L 11, then L 10, and finally L 12. Each L builds upon the one before it, and the end result is a being with his OT abilities unleashed, who is stably exterior from the body, and who can operate at a much higher level in life.

And realize, stable exteriorization isn't just something you read about in an LRH book or listen to in a lecture—it's happening right now at Flag, to every single person who comes to do all three L Rundowns.

We spoke to a Class XII Case Supervisor to find out what it is about the Ls that results in stable exteriorization.

"The three L Rundowns penetrate previously unreachable areas of case that are the true source of a being's introversion and power loss," he told us.

"These include key aberrations camouflaged from a person's view, that bring him under attack by the only enemy who knows all his hidden weaknesses and how to exploit them: himself. He loses his OT power and the worst of it is this: Throughout the millennia, he has never known WHY.

"The L Rundowns blast this away and achieve stable exteriorization—the thetan is stably outside his body and knows it."

HOW THE SEQUENCE L11-L10-L12 RESULTS IN STABLE EXTERIORIZATION

First, L 11 handles an individual's basic and most severe aberration," said the C/S, "which is made up of the whole track accumulation of efforts to stop, and human emotion and reaction. Once this barrier is lifted, you regain an almost incomprehensible quantity of your own innate OT power. All your flows open up completely on all dynamics and suddenly your havingness—what you can have in life—is totally unlimited. You have a new life.

"Next comes L 10 and with this you have technology capable of making a one-life being immortal. You're ready to discover why it is that an OT restrains himself and ceases to be OT. With more than 30 individual rundowns, L 10 cuts through the protective mechanisms of the mind and handles whole track considerations, consequences, motivators, overts and withholds on all dynamics and all flows.

"And finally, on L 12, you make the exteriorization you've achieved on L 11 and L 10 totally stable. In certain OT lectures, LRH talks about the electronic fields surrounding a thetan and trapping him. Untold numbers of engrams and facsimiles are saturated throughout these ancient ridges, and this is what constitutes your case. On L 12, you dismantle huge chunks of this case, releasing vast amounts of OT power. You become totally YOU and will never again go PTS to anything.

"So, to summarize, L 11 gives you a new life, then L 10 gives you OT power, and then L 12 gives you unshakable stability, and it all equals stable exteriorization."

ACHIEVING EXTERIORIZATION--AND OT POWER--FROM THE Ls

Last Monday, something happened in session that really changed my existence," said one Scientologist doing his Ls. "During this session, I went exterior and came uptone from sub-apathy as a thetan. I realized that I am a thetan, I am immortal and that I will go free of this universe. I would compare to someone who was paralyzed, was in apathy about being so and then all of a sudden their toe moved. At that moment, the apathy blew as they realized that there was really hope. Well, as a thetan, now I know— I am still unable to suppress the joy of that moment — what a win! Thank you to my auditor and to LRH — I don't know what to really say to thank you — what I have now, immortality, is priceless."—J.B.

"After one L 10 session, I came out exteriorized and I saw a friend of mine in the PC waiting room, but she didn't see me," wrote another Scientologist. "I stood two yards away from her and I decided to communicate to her. All of a sudden, she looked over at me and said, 'Wow! I could feel you! There was so much life and energy around!!' There are many things which I put my attention on and then I get them a couple of days later!! I know sometimes what people want to say to me before they say it. My ability to duplicate faster has increased. And much more."—WB.

"After completing L 12, I truly feel the ability to stably handle problems from an exterior viewpoint," said a Scientologist after doing all three Ls. "Now having that viewpoint and a pan-determined intention, there is no back off from problems, because I feel that any problem can be handled. Overwhelm is not in my universe!

"I have a renewed willingness and confidence to enter, play and win any game I want. I am free to be anything I want—an executive, a father, a mechanic—whatever I want. And I feel free to move in or out of those identities at will with no fear of being trapped. This exteriorization has left me with a true sense of freedom and spirit of play with no fear."—C.S.

WHO CAN DO THE L RUNDOWNS?

The Ls can be delivered at several points on The Bridge: After Grade IV Expanded, after NED Case Completion, after Clear and the Sunshine Rundown, after OT III, and after New OT VIII. So if OT power and stable exteriorization are what you want, come to Flag and do the Ls.

"When I was C/Sing the Ls I would never let a pre-OT leave the ship unless he'd gone exterior with full perceptions and was able to maintain it."- LRH

The L Rundowns and Exteriorization. (2005).Source 164, 19-21.

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 Post subject: Re: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:01 pm 
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So is "exteriorization" the same thing as "astral projection"? In other words, are they just hypnotized into thinking they can leave their bodies?

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 Post subject: Re: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
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Basically exteriorization is the separation of the Thetan from its fleshy vehicle. Astral projection, sure. But also Near Death Experience and even dying itself are forms of exteriorization. Remember, L.Ron didn't actually die; he exteriorized to continue his studies elsewhere without the limitations of his physical body.

Hallucinations, psychotic episodes involving the illusion of astral projection and things of that nature are also exteriorizations and seen as something positive.

Related to this subject is the R2-45 process. L.Ron thought of this "technique", which basically comes down to putting a bullet through your brain, as an effective way to exteriorize. He did realize society would frown upon its usage, which was why he did not advice it for general application.
Not because the tech was immoral, but because too many scientologists blowing their brains out would give the church a bad name.

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 Post subject: Re: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
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My God... exteriorization...leaving your body...that is so f-ing dangerous it's not even funny. Yes, that will mess you up and possibly worse, you may end up with guests...who don't want to leave.

I would like to know how many of the top scilons that many think of as 'evil', like DM, Moxon, etc. have done the L's. It would explain some things...

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 Post subject: Re: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
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I guess most of the really high-ups have.

Messing around with these things is dangerous in so many ways. Mentally, emotionally, spiritually. Mental health institutions are full of people that don't know how to come back from their exteriorization, wether it took place involuntary, in a psychosis, or as a result of drugs or some ritual/rundown, whatever you call it. It's playing with fire. You never know when it runs out of control.

Best to leave this stuff alone.

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 Post subject: Re: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
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From the L Rundown introduction, 2nd paragraph, 1st line:
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The breakthrough which exists here technically is so strong that it
actually cuts through the normal protective mechanisms of the mind.


In other words, it turns off/bypasses/removes the minds protective mechanisms. Leaving the mind unprotected.

It is safer to remove the protective mechanisms from a table saw.

And people pay big money for this shit...


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Implied in all of that is that the exteriorization is under your control, you are causative over it, and, at the same time, the links to the body are NOT severed. But I seriously doubt that this is what is delivered. What is delivered is a lot of yak at a high price.

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 Post subject: Re: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
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Most of the time, for most people. For those susceptible to psychosis it's a risk of serious breakdown at a high price.

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 Post subject: Re: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
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Go to Wikileaks. All of the confidential stuff is there for your pleasure. Happy hunting! :crazy: :D


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 Post subject: Re: The "L's" are What Messed Me Up
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They tried to sell me the Loser Rundown's a few years ago. They sent me (SO staff - is the "they) some dvd's to watch. I watched them and one man, especially, appeared to me to be crazy, unstable and he did not come off as powerful. I wonder what happened to him? I don't have his name. I made the decision right then and there that I would never do those. They appeared to me to be so out of exchange! $100K for that??? CRAZY

Does anyone know Cathy McMurray, Sea Org. She was at ASHO a few years ago but I cannot find her. Any idea what happened to her?


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