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Interview of Ex-Scientologist of Tom Gorman
By Arnie Lerma
16 September 2005
Arnie: What was your job called at Scientology in San Francisco?
Gorman: I was an OSA Volunteer
Arnie: What sorts of things would you be called upon to do?
Gorman: To confront and deal with Sps, to handle Sps.
Arnie: When did you do this?
Gorman: 1990 through the beginning of 2000
Arnie: Were there any specific names you called upon to deal with?
Gorman: Kristi Whachter who runs Scientology-lies.com in San Francisco and Peaches Pook in Oakland California.
Arnie: Describe what you did to handle Kristi Whachter
Gorman: I went to her home, to pass out flyers and give them to all her neighbors, so when she came home and came outside she would see her face everywhere saying she was a bigot. When I would see a crowd of people nearby, I would say things like: â€œyou are psychoticâ€?, â€œYou came out of an institutionâ€?, â€œyou like to fuck little catsâ€?, â€œSee you later Psychoâ€? to get her angry, so she would look crazy to others. â€œI know you donâ€™t like menâ€?
Arnie: Describe what you did to handle Peaches
I would talk in a very smart ass voice, tell her she was ugly and old, tell me your crimes peaches, I said: â€œYou are psychoticâ€? â€œyou are crazyâ€? â€œno one cares about youâ€? â€œthe world would be better without you on itâ€? â€œYou are a bitchâ€? â€œYou are a bigotâ€? â€œIâ€™m never going to leave until you stop picketing my churchâ€? â€œIâ€™m going to let all your neighbors know what a psychopath you areâ€?
Arnie: Who told you to do and say these things and what did they direct you to say and do?
In my presence, Scientologyâ€™s Director of Special Affairs (DSA) of the Office of Special Affairs (OSA) for San Francisco, Church of Scientology who is Jeff Quiros, stated the following:
â€œUnder oath doesnâ€™t mean shit.â€?
Arnie: Did he say this often?
Mr. Gorman: He said this at least ten times.
Arnie: what else did he say?
Mr. Gorman: Jeff Quiros said that â€œThe court system is just a bunch of WOGs and they are suppressive and that the US government is suppressiveâ€?
â€œThe police dept., the FBI and the court system are all suppressive, they are all a bunch of morons and they are down stats and canâ€™t get real jobs. The court system is designed to take any bad down stat (bad person) so they can torpedo an up stat (good person) and bring them down. The Police are a bunch of crooks and especially the FBI. The FBI is the number one terrorist group in the United Statesâ€?
And then he showed me a written green on white policy by Hubbard that stated this.
Arnie: Did he direct the picketing?
He directed our conduct, yet stressed this: â€œYou cannot tell them I had any involvement, I did not tell you to do any of this, and you donâ€™t even know meâ€? He would remind me of this EVERY time we would picket Kristi or Peaches. Jeff Quiros said, â€œI could get sued for this. The church would get in a lot of trouble and it would be all your faultâ€?
Arnie: What did he tell you to do or say??
Mr. Gorman: To whisper very mean things into the ear of the person I was picketing whenever there were a group of people coming so that she would react badly in front of the people and look like a psycho-path. He told me to say specifically, â€œKristi, you like to fuck little catsâ€? â€œyou practice bestialityâ€? and then we both started laughing.. and to call her â€œpsychoâ€?, because we knew this would get her upset.
Jeff Quiros also told me; â€œYou can do anything to an SP and not get into trouble for itâ€? â€œA suppressive group is made up of a bunch of SPâ€™s.â€? He said â€œGet little kids around the neighborhood to pop the ladyâ€™s tires, ruin her plants and break some windows in her house, give them candy for doing these deeds.â€?
He said: â€œWhen the police finally arrive from the picketing, make them believe that we are completely normal people and the people we are picketing are psychotic and paranoid. Be friendly with the police and become their friends, and make them like you.
Arnie: What effect did your efforts have upon the police?
Mr. Gorman: Based on Jeff Quiros instruction to me, I was not just friendly with the police, but I became their friends. I would tell the police that Kristi was a psycho, tell them that she pickets our churchâ€¦
After a while, the police stopped responding to Kristi and Peachâ€™s telephone calls, when Scientology would harass her at home. But Peaches would call the police every time, after a while the police stopped coming.
Jeff Quiros said: â€œAfter 6 times the police come to that location in one week, the police will stop coming because they will believe the person calling them is psychotic and paranoid. He told me if it ever comes to a time when we all have to go to court, not to worry about it because the Scientology lawyers are great and they will tell us how to act and behave and to just do exactly what they say. Lying under Oath is a normal thing for Scientologists because itâ€™s the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics, and we are doing nothing wrong by changing the story since they are suppressive (bad) people and Scientologists are here to save the planet from those people. Then he said â€œSPâ€™s and suppressive groups hate all organizations that fix peoples lives and help people, and they want to ruin those people and organizations utterly. Scientology is the only organization that does this on the planetâ€?
Mr. Gorman: We became their â€˜friendsâ€™; they started to believe that she was â€˜crazyâ€™
Arnie: Did the police continue to respond?
Mr. Gorman: After they came to Peaches Pookâ€™s home about ten times the police stopped comingâ€¦
Arnie: So, would it be fair to say, that this is the one part of scientology that really works?
Mr. Gorman: Yes, it is the only part. He was making fun of Judges in general saying they look like Penguins and how they think they are all mighty and great. He said Judges do their jobs as well as nuns do, and he began to laugh, the joke was, he said that there is no God and so those people serving God donâ€™t do anything anyway.
It was common knowledge that SPâ€™s (Suppressive persons, enemies of scientology) are subject to being tricked, lied to, sued, or destroyed â€“ they have no regard for people outside of Scientology and they believe they can do anything they want to SPâ€™s and not get punished for it because they believe that Scientologists are above the law.
Arnie: Did you do these techniques to anyone else besides Kristi and Peaches?
Mr. Gorman: Yes, a psychiatrist at a hospital in San Francisco, near Funston Street.
Arnie: What was his name?
Mr. Gorman: I never knew his name.
Arnie: How did you know whom to picket?
A; I was shown a picture. Often of two or three different targets, if we would see one of them we would picket them and pass out flyers about how horrible psychiatry is
Arnie: Whom else did Jeff Quiros mention?
Mr. Gorman: Arnie Lerma â€“ the Internet freak that posted the OT levels on the net. He told me that Arnie and a couple othersâ€™s dressed up in Sea org member suits and showed a fake order tricking them into giving you the documents.
Arnie: How often would he talk about me?
Mr. Gorman: perhaps ten times, often, I knew your name very well, what else would say about me? He said, â€œYou are psychotic, that you are a criminal, an SP, and sent down to destroy scientology by the psychiatrists.
Arnie: Are there any other enemies of scientology he would mention by name?
A: Bob Minton
Arnie: What did he say about Bob?
Mr. Gorman: That he was money motivated made up a fabricated story about a girl dying which is completely untrue and is trying to get money out of scientology.
Mr. Gorman: Gerry Armstrong â€“ Gerry is a pathological liar, one of the biggest SPs around who is trying to destroy scientology. Then he would blabber on about mankind trying to get me all pumped up
Arnie: Any other names mentioned that you recall?
Mr. Gorman: Ford Greene, Jeff said Ford Green is one of the only attorneys willing to take on Scientology but he will be taken care of soon.
Arnie: Thank you â€“ The end.
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