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Perhaps this little image needs to slip on over to Norway...

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That presents an interesting legal question. When Scientology goes down, or at least the Cof$ goes down, is there any legal precedent whereby you could lay claim to your folders, or would confessional folders become property of Cof$ creditors along with all other assets?
Furthermore, in the event that the folders went to the creditors, would the creditors also have assumed the liability of a legal and fiduciary responsibility to either return them to the former parishoners of the Cof$ or to make sure they were destroyed?


I think this is a privacy issue. There may be privacy legislation for various jurisdictions that may cover this.

If after the cult goes down and people and corporations start playing games with possession of the folders this can very easily become an ongoing election issue until some politician finally understands that it isn't going away and does something about it favorable to those who are ex scientologists.

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The crux of getting you to buy a book or service and to become a scientologist is the 'ruin.'

All the stuff I have on this came second hand. I never read the old man's stuff on it. I did read something about using the 'Chart of Human Awareness' I believe it is called.

Someone else could probably explain this better.

They contact you, get in communication, and find your ruin. The next step up is 'need for change' and above that is 'demand for improvement.'

Rather than get in communication and talk with you for a while and eventually find your ruin the stress test is a short cut to it.

The personality test is also a means to find a person's ruin.

So they sit you down, get you to hold the cans, direct your attention into situation and relationships and use the reads on the meter - that's when the needle goes suddenly to the right - to get you to tell them what's bugging you. That's your ruin. The next thing is to get you to see how badly this thing is doing you in. After that they convince you that you need to change it and after that they get you to demand an improvement to the situation.

"Well, you know scientology can help you with that. Here look at this book." Then the sale is supposed to happen.

All well and good.

Now what happens if you sit down and reverse this on the guy or gal who is operating the meter?

Innocent conversation.

So do you work for this scientology? (are you staff or public?)

Public - Gee, it's such a nice day. You must be really dedicated to come out here and do this for them on a day like this. How long have you been with scientology? So I guess it really works for you then?

They will be working to take control of the conversation and redirect it to you. If they get frustrated with what you are doing they'll try to blow you off. But stay with it. You are working to find their ruin with being in scientology. If you come up with a xenu card or give them any hint you are a critic or activist they will shut down on you and definitely blow you off. So long as you are a person who is interested and seemingly a prospect for a sale they may keep conversing with you.

Staff - harder core - more difficult - How long have you been working for scientology? That long. Wow. You must really be dedicated. I take it your family supports what you're doing?

We know what they're ruins are:

not enough money
personal relations don't get enough time
disconnected from family
in debt
less time for self than desired
brow beaten
anxiety
health issues

If you are going to do something like that you have to appear to be someone who is not antagonistic and not critical. You may not get a blow right then and there but if you can get the person to have a good look at their own situation in scientology you may get them to a point where they may decide they've had enough. If you can achieve that and then walk away without them getting wise to you being Anonymous, a critic, or an activist, you might just get them directed towards leaving sooner than later.

There's no magic formula here either. What will work sometimes won't work other times. Your own personal experience and intuition will go a long way.

Does anyone have a copy of the training materials for this?

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Perhaps this little image needs to slip on over to Norway...


Is this image actually real scientology propaganda?
It's completely disgusting-look at her grining-'hey great i made this person cry by finding their ruin-now i can hook them into the cult'
How callous is that?Some religion!


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Does anyone have a copy of the training materials for this?


It is called the "Dissem Drill" and it is on several courses such as the Volunteer Minister Course, FSM course and others.

Here are some of the Drills (also known as TRs or Training Routines):

Quote:
. HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex

HCO POLICY LETTER OF 23 OCTOBER 1965


Remimeo
Field Staff Members
Sthil Grads
Sthil Students


DISSEMINATION DRILL


The Dissemination Drill has four exact steps that must be done with
a person you are disseminating to.


There is no set patter, nor any set words you say to the person.


There are four steps that must be accomplished with the individual
and they are listed in the order that they should be done:


1. Contact the individual: This is plain and simple. It just means
making a personal contact with someone, whether you approach them or they
approach you.


2. Handle: If the person is wide open to Scientology, and reaching,
this step can be omitted as there is nothing to handle. Handle is to handle
any attacks, antagonism, challenge or hostility that the individual might
express towards you and/or Scientology. Definition of "handle": to control,
direct. "Handle" implies directing an acquired skill to the accomplishment
of immediate ends. Once the individual has been handled you then-


3. Salvage: Definition of salvage: "to save from ruin". Before you can
save someone from ruin, you must find out what their own personal ruin is.
This is basically-What is ruining them? What is messing them up? It must be
a condition that is real to the individual as an unwanted condition, or one
that can be made real to him.


4. Bring to understanding: Once the person is aware of the ruin, you
bring about an understanding that Scientology can handle the condition found
in 3. This is done by simply stating Scientology can, or by using data to
show how it can. It's at the right moment on this step that one hands the
person a selection slip, or one's professional card, and directs him to the
service that will best handle what he needs handled.


These are the steps of the Dissemination Drill. They are designed
so that an understanding of them is necessary and that understanding is best
achieved by being coached on the drill.


COACHING THE DRILL


Position: Coach and student may sit facing each other a comfortable
distance apart, or they may stand ambulatory.


Purpose: To enable a Scientologist to disseminate Scientology effectively
to individuals. To enable one to contact, handle, salvage and bring to
understanding another being. To prepare a Scientologist so that he won't be
caught "flatfooted" when being attacked or questioned by another.


Patter: There is no set patter. The coach plays the part of a
non-Scientologist and displays an attitude about Scientology upon being
approached by the student. The student must then handle, salvage, and bring
the coach to understanding. When the student can comfortably do these steps
on a given coach's attitude, the coach then assumes another attitude, etc,
and the drill is continued until the student is confident and comfortable
about doing these steps with any type of person. This drill is coached as
follows:


The coach says, "Start". The student must then (1) contact the
coach, either by approaching the coach or being approached by the coach. The
student introduces himself and Scientology or not, depending upon the
mocked-up situation. The student then (2) handles any invalidation of
himself and/or Scientology, any challenge, attack or hostility displayed by
the coach. The student then (3) salvages the coach. In this step the
student must locate the ruin (problem or difficulty the coach has with life),
and point out that it is ruinous and get the person to see that it is.


When (3) has been done, you then (4) bring about an understanding
that Scientology can do something about it. Example: the coach has admitted
a problem with women. The student simply listens to him talk about his
problem and then asserts-"Well, that's what Scientology handles. We have
processing, etc, etc." When the coach indicates a realization that he did
have a problem and that something might be done about it, the student
presents him with a selection slip, or a professional card, routing him to
the service that would best remedy the condition.


The coach must flunk for comm lags, nervousness, laughter or
non-confront. The coach would similarly flunk the student for failure to (1)
contact, (2) handle, (3) salvage, and (4) bring to understanding.


Training Stress: Stress giving the student wins. This is done by'using
a gradient scale in the coach's portrayal of various attitudes, and staying
with any selected until the student can handle it comfortably. As the
student becomes better, the coach can portray a more difficult attitude.


Stress bringing about for the student the accomplishment of the
purpose of this drill.


A list of things to handle and another of ruins to discover can be
made up and used.


Do not specialize in either antagonistic attitudes or an eagerness
to know about Scientology. Use both and other attitudes. One meets them
all.


L. RON HUBBARD


LRH:ml.rd
Copyright (C) 1965
by L. Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED


---------------------------------------------------------------------------­--


HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex


HCO BULLETIN OF 27 JANUARY 1984


Remimeo
All Orgs
Specialist FSM
Hat Checksheet
Supervisors
SSO
PES FSM I/C
Qual Sec


FSM BREAKTHROUGH


NEW FSM TRs - CONTROLLING A CONVERSATION


Refs:
LRH ED 348 Int RON'S JOURNAL 37
HCOB 16 Aug. 71R II TRAINING DRILLS REMODERNIZED Rev. 5.7.78
HCO PL 23 Oct. 65 DISSEMINATION DRILL
HCO PL 26 Sept. 79RA II SPECIALIST FSM HAT CHECKSHEET Rev. 27.1.84


These TRs have been specifically devised to teach the
student to CONTROL A CONVERSATION.


All one is teaching here is TOTAL CONTROL of a
conversation. One can see that the target is not to fight
with public or SPs, but simply to control and guide the
conversation where one wants it to go.


These drills are a superior technical development that the
Greeks, in their science of argumentation, would have been
proud of. They are superior drills in controlling
conversations, whether hostile or otherwise.


The drills may be done by any FSM or Scientologist and are
the drills called for in HCO PL 26 Sept. 79RA II,
SPECIALIST FSM HAT CHECKSHEET.


These FSM TRs in no way excuse a person from attending a
regular TRs course and/or Success Through Communication
Course and are not a substitute for regular TRs but are a
special application of them. A regular TRs course is not a
prerequisite to FSM TRs even though they would help
enormously. Nothing in this changes any data in other HCOBs
regarding TRs or substitutes for any other HCOB on TRs.


The book What Is Scientology? is used throughout the TRs.


1. OT TR 0- Done per HCOB 16 Aug. 71R II.


PURPOSE: To train the student to be there comfortably and
confront another person. The idea is to get the student
able to BE there comfortably, in a position three feet in
front of another person, to BE there and not to do anything
else but BE there.


METHOD: Student and coach sit facing each other with eyes
closed. There is no conversation. This is a silent drill.
There is NO twitching, moving, confronting with a body
part, "system" or vias used to confront or anything else
added to BE there. One will usually see redness, blackness
or an area of the room when one's eyes are closed. BE THERE
COMFORTABLY AND CONFRONT.


2. FSM TR 0- CONFRONTING OR NOT CONFRONTING BY CHOICE
(Ref: HCOB 16 Aug. 71R II)


A. PURPOSE: To train the student to confront another person who is
manifesting various levels of the Tone Scale.


METHOD: Coach uses different Tone Scale levels physically
(silently) as he sits opposite the student. The student
confronts the coach's various manifestations of the Tone
Scale levels until he can do it comfortably.


B. PURPOSE: To teach the student that he has a choice of
confronting or not confronting various Tone Scale levels
and to train him in not confronting by choice.


METHOD: Student and coach in same position as in above TR,
coach continues to show various Tone Scale manifestations.
The student now nonconfronts (by choice) the coach's various
manifestations. This is done until the student can do this
drill comfortably. One way to nonconfront by choice is to
walk away.


3. FSM TR 0 BULLBAIT- CONFRONTING OR NOT CONFRONTING BY
CHOICE BULLBAITED. (Ref: HCOB 16 Aug. 71R II)


A. PURPOSE: To train the student to confront another person
who is pushing his buttons. The whole idea is for the
student to sit there comfortably without being thrown off,
distracted or reacting in any way to what the coach says
or does.


METHOD: Coach, in this drill, must push the student's
buttons and can do anything except leave his chair. The
student must BE there comfortably and not be distracted.


B. PURPOSE: To teach the student that he has a choice of
confronting or not confronting someone pushing his buttons
and to train him in not confronting by choice.


METHOD: Coach pushes the student' s buttons and can do anything
except leave his chair. The student nonconfronts (by
choice) the coach's actions. This is done until he can
successfully nonconfront the coach at his own choice.


4. FSM TR 1- DELIVERING A COMMUNICATION.


PURPOSE: To train the student to deliver a communication
about Scientology to another without flinching or trying to
overwhelm or using a via.


METHOD: Student uses the answers section of the book What
Is Scientology? to get something across to the coach,
asking a question or making a statement.


Coach answers easily as per normal TR 1.


5. FSM TR 2-ANSWERING OR NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS BY CHOICE.


A . PURPOSE: To teach the student to fully answer a question to the
satisfaction of the coach.


METHOD: Student and coach must both have a copy of What Is
Scientology? and must both be at the same page. Coach asks
a question and the student must answer out of What Is Scientology?
without flustering or being unsure. The coach flunks when he does
not feel his question has been fully answered.


B. PURPOSE: To teach the student to take off the line of
questioning, by choice, questions he does not want to answer.


METHOD: Coach asks a question and the student "answers" in
such a way as to take it off that line of questioning and onto
something else (BY CHOICE). Coach flunks when student cannot
successfully steer the line of questioning.


6. FSM TR 3- GETTING THE QUESTION ANSWERED.


PURPOSE: To teach the student to get his questions answered
no matter what the circumstances are.


METHOD: Student uses data from What Is Scientology? (or
asks something like, "Have you read the book Dianetics:
The Modern Science of Mental Health?"). Coach refuses to
answer-either by remaining silent, being antagonistic or
stating, "I don't want to talk to you." Student must handle
and get his question answered.


7. FSM TR 4 - CONTROLLING CONVERSATIONS BY HANDLING ORIGINATIONS.


A. PURPOSE: To train the student to fully handle an antago
or critical remark or statement and get the conversation
back on the tracks.


METHOD: Student uses data from What Is Scientology? (questions
and statements) and starts up a discussion. Coach goes along
with it but in the middle of the discussion throws in a critical
or antago comment or question. Student must handle it smoothly
and get it acknowledged and get the discussion back on the tracks.


B. PURPOSE: To train the student to handle the critical or
antago question or comment and then steer the conversation
onto some other subject (using What Is Scientology?) of the
student's choice, as in FSM TR 2B.


METHOD: Student uses data from What Is Scientology? (questions
and statements) and starts up a discussion. Coach goes along
with it but in the middle of the discussion throws in a
critical or antago comment or question. The student must
acknowledge and handle it per TR 4 and must steer the
conversation onto some other subject (using What Is
Scientology?) of the student's choice as in FSM TR 2B.


L. RON HUBBARD
Founder


Compilation assisted by
LRH Technical Research
and Compilations


Here are some more excerpts from the Dissemination course:

Dissem Course Checksheet (excerpts)
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/sp/mage ... ssem-crs...
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/sp/imag ... issem-cr...


And here is a very good explanation of the Disssem Drill by Warrior:
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According to HCO PL 23 October 1965 "Dissemination Drill", the "Dissem
Drill" has "four exact steps that must be done with a person you are
disseminating to".


To be exact, the four steps are:
"1) contact, 2) handle, 3) salvage, 4) bring to understanding".


Hubbard wrote in the above-referenced policy that "[t]here is no
set patter, nor any set words you say to the person".


But a key part of the "contact" step is for the Scieno to apply the
"communication formula". This includes getting the person's attention,
being friendly, making eye contact, speaking with certainty, etc.


Another first thing a Scieno does is promise that "Scientology can
handle that" (*whatever* the problem is for the person being
disseminated to). If the person has questions, the "on-Source"
thing to say is something on the order of:


"All the answers to your question(s) can be found in this book/on this
course."


The intention is to get the person to make a "reach" for Scientology.
By application of the "Dissem Drill", many are convinced that it is
_possible_ to find a solution to their problem. If done "correctly",
the Scieno will give the person *hope* that there is a solution to
his or her problem(s). Naturally, the "solution" is for the person to
buy and do a Scientology course -- usually the "Comm[unication Course",
also called the "HAS Course" ("Hubbard Apprentice Scientologist Course"),
or the "STC Course" ("Success Through Communication Course").


A key part of "answering" a person's questions involves *not* answering
them, but rather repeating (called "TR-3ing") a statement to the effect
that "You will find the answers you need on the blah blah course. When
can you start?" (Note that this is a question which completely bypasses
the person's decision as to whether he even *wants* to start a course,
and such sales techniques as this, and many others, are learned in
Scientology in the study of Les Dane's book, _Big League Sales_, along
with Hubbard's "registrar" and "FSM" (field staff member) training.


The "answer" may also be "Have you read _Dianetics: The Modern Science
[sic] of Mental Health_ [sic] ? This book will answer all your questions...
Will that be cash, check or credit card?"


Hubbard wrote in PAB ("Professional Auditor's Bulletin") 66 about a
phenomena he called the "mystery sandwich". In my mind it is akin to
creating a "vacuum" in the mind of the person being manipulated. Hubbard
spoke about his "mystery sandwich" concept in a 1961 lecture called
"What Is Auditing?". Other references include his books _The Phoenix
Lectures_ and _The Creation of Human Ability_.


"Mystery is the level of always pretending there's always something
to know earlier than the mystery."


"[Mystery is] the glue that sticks thetans to things."


"[T]he only way anybody gets stuck to anything is by a
mystery sandwich."


In _The Creation of Human Ability_, Hubbard defined mystery as "not
knowingness", and said that this state consists of "being in present
time and not in the past or the future".


My first job position in a Scientology organization was in Division
Six -- The Distribution Division. This division deals with public
contact. In the org I worked in, this consisted of finding "raw meat",
or persons who had never done a Scientology course, and getting them
onto a service -- almost always the "Comm Course".

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hitlers birthday...
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Not wanting to dampen anyones day, but are we sure this is real and not some talented shoopers' idea of a joke?

There are many who'd think it funny to have lots of Anons running about on hitlers birthday looking for non existent Scilons.

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Wieber wrote:
RedPill wrote:
That presents an interesting legal question. When Scientology goes down, or at least the Cof$ goes down, is there any legal precedent whereby you could lay claim to your folders, or would confessional folders become property of Cof$ creditors along with all other assets?
Furthermore, in the event that the folders went to the creditors, would the creditors also have assumed the liability of a legal and fiduciary responsibility to either return them to the former parishoners of the Cof$ or to make sure they were destroyed?


I think this is a privacy issue. There may be privacy legislation for various jurisdictions that may cover this.

If after the cult goes down and people and corporations start playing games with possession of the folders this can very easily become an ongoing election issue until some politician finally understands that it isn't going away and does something about it favorable to those who are ex scientologists.


The most practical thing in this situation would be for the files to be destroyed in the presence of someone like a judge. If the cult is brought down ultimately by legal action this will be the most likely outcome. It will be less clear if the Co$ bows out with a whimper.

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I think anyone would be best to avoid possibly falling into a trap or being bullbaited by scientologists...

I dont think that it'd be the best of ideas to have anons running around to counter the hard sell of dianetics, most people would probably avoid them anyways as it's a blatent selling scheme just to sell those crap books...

If people do decide to go be extra carefull about being followed and subsequently possibly being ID'd...

If this isnt a hoax and they really are selling dianetics in a such a desperate way then they really must be low on funds...

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The above image is from an oldish cult mail-out.

The particular 'tech' cultists are using is called the 'New York stress test patterns', and they are suppose to be the shiznit with finding peoples ruin.

Christian Market talks about these particular patterns here

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/chris ... 3594061078

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Tsar von Humbug wrote:
Looking forward to Scientology's counter protests to Anonymous.

This is going to be too hilarious.

However I'd advise against Anonymous protesting the event. It's just altogether too likely to turn ugly.

Also, an Anonymous protest would only help create a festive atmosphere to what promises to be an extremely dull affair, and the more dull, the better.

Let Anonymous have their day in April, and Scientology theirs and let the public to make the comparison.


This makes sense to me. Let it be a non event. I do find it hysterical that its scheduled on Hitler's Birthday.

$cientology - a bigger con than Enron.


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I think we may be missing the obvious as to why this "big Dianetics push." From being on the inside for many years, I can tell you exactly what is going on.

It's April. In a few weeks they will have to get up on stage for the May 9th Event - the Anniversary of Dianetics, which was published on May 9th, 1950.

They have nothing to say. Sales of the book Dianetics suck. They don't have any "big expansion news." What, oh what, are they going to tell the public on May 9th?

Bright idea!!! Send all Scientologists out to "the streets" to sell Dianetics books. Get those Gold video crews out on the streets of LA, filming the book selling that is going down! Sell 40,000 books in one day! Produce a slick video with lots of fast-paced cuts of Scientologists selling books, with inspirational music!

So, they'll have everyone out in force - probably even staff.

Well, it's a dumb idea. For one thing, I don't think Scientologists will show up in force. They'll get a few diehards. The rest they'll have to make up with staff, forcing them out to the streets. And anyone out selling books will encounter the current public dislike of all things Scientology. So staff and public will get "enturbulated" by actually having to talk to real people.

So my prediction is that the caper will be a bust, as Miscavige's capers usually are, but that it will be promoted at the May 9th Event with a slick video as a big "win."

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I think we may be missing the obvious as to why this "big Dianetics push." From being on the inside for many years, I can tell you exactly what is going on.

It's April. In a few weeks they will have to get up on stage for the May 9th Event - the Anniversary of Dianetics, which was published on May 9th, 1950.

They have nothing to say. Sales of the book Dianetics suck. They don't have any "big expansion news." What, oh what, are they going to tell the public on May 9th?

Bright idea!!! Send all Scientologists out to "the streets" to sell Dianetics books. Get those Gold video crews out on the streets of LA, filming the book selling that is going down! Sell 40,000 books in one day! Produce a slick video with lots of fast-paced cuts of Scientologists selling books, with inspirational music!

So, they'll have everyone out in force - probably even staff.

Well, it's a dumb idea. For one thing, I don't think Scientologists will show up in force. They'll get a few diehards. The rest they'll have to make up with staff, forcing them out to the streets. And anyone out selling books will encounter the current public dislike of all things Scientology. So staff and public will get "enturbulated" by actually having to talk to real people.

So my prediction is that the caper will be a bust, as Miscavige's capers usually are, but that it will be promoted at the May 9th Event with a slick video as a big "win."

Jeff


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Some people will want to go out and be "active" about this. Rather than put on your picket gear and masks and take signs and caek and all that, go out as you with your cameras and reconnoiter.

My colonel friend says that time spend on reconnaissance is never wasted. Should these stress test units be set up in a public place where there are lots of people passing by then you have every right to be there as you are out shopping or taking a walk or seeing the sights.

Take pictures of the stress test units you find. If someone confronts you on this you say you're hobby is photography and you are out photographing interesting things. This leads smoothly to asking the person who confronted you about what the set up is all about. Even go so far as to take the test.

Just don't buy anything.

Then you can post your pictures on a thread here and you'll have some better insight as to what goes on in that organization.

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Will those in the RPF be out selling books? :twisted:


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