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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:32 pm 
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Check out this post from simkatu on Wichita - 2 years ago.
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=20075

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If you go to maps.google.com and put in the Mission Address, 3705 E Douglas Ave, Wichita, KS, you will get a 360 degree panoramic view of the mission and surrounding area.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:40 pm 
Wieber wrote:
Check out this post from simkatu on Wichita - 2 years ago.
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=20075
Wieber. Man, just when a guy (ME)try's to LURK MOAR, you come up with this fantastic thread from back in the day. I wonder if we can get any real time stats on what's happening nao at the Wichita org. Sounds to me like the lights are on, but nobodies home. :geek:


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Gumbythetruth wrote:
Wieber wrote:
Check out this post from simkatu on Wichita - 2 years ago.
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=20075
Wieber. Man, just when a guy (ME)try's to LURK MOAR, you come up with this fantastic thread from back in the day. I wonder if we can get any real time stats on what's happening nao at the Wichita org. Sounds to me like the lights are on, but nobodies home. :geek:


ummm... i linked to this thread in the last post I made. :roll:

Anyways, I'm willing to do some Mission watch. I can't do too much at the moment. Not that I want to do too much. Let's face it; watching a dying mission's traffic is just as exciting and entertaining as watching paint dry. However, keeping track of some of it's failures would be fun and entertaining.

I'll only be willing to do it if there's enough interest for me to.

I started a post to gauge interest here: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=338271

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I went googling around with the mission address.
Most of what I found were listings. Not much of interest but you never know what you find or whether or not it will be useful to someone.

On this page you can submit a review. Hmmmm.
http://pd.kansas.com/sp?aff=109&catId=12030128

On this page the scientology mission is listed as a Christian Church.
http://www.ebiblestories.com/church/ks_ ... urch.shtml

Their email address along with email addresses of many other mission are on this page.
It's an official scientology page.
http://www.smi.org/address/wus01.htm

Tax Exempt/Non Profits in Wichita.
The mission is near the bottom on this page:
http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organizat ... kansas.asp

Wichita Local Churches list
http://www.searchforchurch.org/Kansas/W ... urches.php

Page with architects
http://www.buildingtradesdir.com/archit ... ansas.html
Looks like Kevin F Daves worked on the mission.
Daves Kevin F Archtct, 3705 E Douglas Ave, Wichita, KS 67218-1002 316-686-2290

360wichita.com listing for the mission - featuring a little clip promoting a free stress test.
http://www.360wichita.com/Churches/Chur ... ology.html

PDF file of Wichita area congregations - page 2, 2nd from bottom of page.
http://www.ifmnet.org/images/uploads/Congreg.pdf

hellowichita.com listing.
http://www.hellowichita.com/YP/c_ORGANI ... OUSNEC.cfm

Wichita open list guide listing.
Click on the mission name and you can rate it and write a review.
http://www.openlist.com/wichita-ks/nond ... 5-777-521/

Listed as Dianetics Foundation
rate and review when you click on it.
http://www.openlist.com/wichita-ks/cler ... /1075-779/

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Wieber wrote:
I went googling around with the mission address.
Most of what I found were listings. Not much of interest but you never know what you find or whether or not it will be useful to someone.

On this page you can submit a review. Hmmmm.
http://pd.kansas.com/sp?aff=109&catId=12030128

On this page the scientology mission is listed as a Christian Church.
http://www.ebiblestories.com/church/ks_ ... urch.shtml

Their email address along with email addresses of many other mission are on this page.
It's an official scientology page.
http://www.smi.org/address/wus01.htm

Tax Exempt/Non Profits in Wichita.
The mission is near the bottom on this page:
http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organizat ... kansas.asp

Wichita Local Churches list
http://www.searchforchurch.org/Kansas/W ... urches.php

Page with architects
http://www.buildingtradesdir.com/archit ... ansas.html
Looks like Kevin F Daves worked on the mission.
Daves Kevin F Archtct, 3705 E Douglas Ave, Wichita, KS 67218-1002 316-686-2290

360wichita.com listing for the mission - featuring a little clip promoting a free stress test.
http://www.360wichita.com/Churches/Chur ... ology.html

PDF file of Wichita area congregations - page 2, 2nd from bottom of page.
http://www.ifmnet.org/images/uploads/Congreg.pdf

hellowichita.com listing.
http://www.hellowichita.com/YP/c_ORGANI ... OUSNEC.cfm

Wichita open list guide listing.
Click on the mission name and you can rate it and write a review.
http://www.openlist.com/wichita-ks/nond ... 5-777-521/

Listed as Dianetics Foundation
rate and review when you click on it.
http://www.openlist.com/wichita-ks/cler ... /1075-779/
Gosh. i gave the 2 sites that allow a rating, a "I don't like it".


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One obvious thing about that mission ... considering the out-of-pocket it takes these days to become a happy, well adjusted Scilon ... considering that most likely, these days the "co-audit route" is probably just an illusion ... considering that it is a mission, which means that DO NOT TRAIN PEOPLE ON THE ACADAMY LEVEL AUDITING ... their clientelle needs be people who can afford bridge-money. If you are catering to a clientelle that can write the big checks for bridge-money, you can't do a credible job of redging someone who has money in total shit-4-surroundings. If you cater to a clientelle to which money is not an object, you need to be sure to meet those needs that ARE possible objects, such as physical surroundings and classy knick-knacks.


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As I recollect, missions are like field staff members in that they get commissions for the services their "clients" take at higher "orgs." The "class V orgs" I believe also get commissions for the people they send to higher "orgs." It's very "multi-level."

You can look at the "grade chart," http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/P ... 181_1.html to see what level of "org" can deliver which services. Missions can deliver "the student hat" and all the introductory courses below that. They can deliver auditing up to and including "expanded dianetics," which "handles" "evil purposes."

One of the first things Kirstie and her executive director would have done would be to recruit people and send them to be trained as "auditors" at a "class V" or higher "org." Kirstie would most likely have had her staff trained at "flag." "flag trained" staff have way more prestige. If the policies that were in effect, when I was on staff, are still in effect missions are allowed to charge more than the prices set by upper level management. Having "flag trained" staff would certainly justify doing that.

The higher "orgs" are, by policy, not supposed to hijack mission staff sent for training. Kirstie probably had enough clout to get that policy observed. Higher "orgs" have been known to hijack very talented or dedicated mission staff that were sent to them. This was considered the "greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics" despite policy.

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