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 Post subject: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:42 pm 
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Here is an announcement about the next edition of "The Edge" with Tom Smith which airs this Friday, April 27 as well as Sunday April 29, 2012:


"This week Tom Smith interviews psychologist Paul Ekman about his
research into detection of deception and emotions. Hubbard's ideas
about the "tone scale" and emotions get thoroughly debunked. This
program airs this Friday, 27 April and Sunday 29 April from 2 - 3 p.m.
eastern U.S. time at http://www.hawkradio.com or
http://theedgewithtomsmith.com by clicking on the listen link for the
live audio stream. The podcast will also be available here after the
broadcast:
http://theedgewithtomsmith.com/pgms/indexpg.html "


I have been on Tom's show four times over the years and always enjoyed it as it was a vehicle for getting out the truth and about an hour per show in which do it.

While mostly dealing with topics not related to scientology, Tom has also aired many other shows that have really helped others to understand so much of what really happened in organized scientology while exposing its crimes, abuses and lies so that others could better deal with them.

I believe we will be hearing a couple more really, really excellent ones along the above lines in the very near future.

But there is also the matter of "the tech" itself. I believe that this too should be looked at even more and opened up for discussion as well.

Study tech, for example, has been dissected time and again. Professor Dave T did an excellent analysis of same. And whether you agree with him or not, it makes a great topic for open discussion rather than just having to feel that somehow "the tech" must be correct just because Hubbard said it was.

I enjoyed the show that is to air as above as it touches on other Hubbard "tech" such as the tone scale and IMO provides food for thought to get people thinking for themselves.

I hope you enjoy it too and I hope to see many more such topics aired that may be helpful in promoting the free exchange of thought and ideas.

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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:24 pm 
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Born2Shop wrote:

But there is also the matter of "the tech" itself. I believe that this too should be looked at even more and opened up for discussion as well.




Unfortunately, the screams of "you are attacking my beliefs" gets thrown forth. Then the whole slippery slope comes into play.

IMHO, hubbard's 'tone scale' is more about desensitizing individuals than anything else. Once one is desensitized, they are then putty in scientology's hands(tech).

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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:26 pm 
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-- "You are attacking my beliefs!"
-- Yes, I am. It's called "science."

-- "You are attacking my beliefs!"
-- Are you looking for sympathy?

-- "You are attacking my beliefs!"
-- Believe what you want, I don't care. Act on what you believe and I have a problem, especially when it harms others.

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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:05 am 
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the cult claims that the tone scale "helps you handle people."
among other things, the tone scale is a profiling tool. it devalues and dehumanizes the profilee and gives the profiler a sense of superiority. it seems to get used as a weapon or an insult as much as anything else. Like all of hubbard's schtick at second glance it is embarrassingly simplistic, full of holes and so easy to dismantle. but crap like this is indispensable to a hierarchical, totalitarian cult of greed and power.


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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:09 pm 
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Another aspect of the "Tone Scale" is that it is used as a tool for manipulation and control. I'm not reading between any lines for that snippet. It's right there in Hubbard's writings.

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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
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It seems like a bad idea to sell this "technology" where people think they can categorize others at a glance, and basically write them off.

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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:14 pm 
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I'mglib wrote:
It seems like a bad idea to sell this "technology" where people think they can categorize others at a glance, and basically write them off.


That is so true Glibby, I agree

And on top of that consider how dangerous it is that Hubbard made these unfounded but broad and sweeping claims about how to deal with people at different tone levels and there are all kinds of scientologists who will follow what he said completely, with blind faith.

I really thought of this once when I arrived in Berlin with Ursula Caberta on a train from Hamburg. I looked at a portion of the Berlin wall that was still up so it could serve as a reminder of a dark past there.

Then I told Ursula how it reminded me of a time while in college when I toured the Nazi death camp at Dachau. The horrors there were surreal. It was hard to imagine anyone classifying whole sections of the population as undesirable much less those people being isolated from society and "disposed of" like they were. I remember breaking down in tears in Dachau at how those poor, innocent people suffered so and how positively cruel those in power then could be.

Now at Dachau they do their best to keep the truth there alive in the hope that the world will never forget what happened there and that man will never let it happen again.

Then I went over with Ursula L Ron Hubbard's own words about all those people that he arbitrarily labeled as below 2.0 on his ridiculous "tone scale". Hubbard said that they should be isolated from society as undesirable and he said that if they could not be handled with scientology processes that they should be disposed of quietly and without sorrow.

Then I read to Ursula some of the transcript from Hubbard's talk called "Future Org Trends" where he said that one day the orgs would become the political centers for their areas and that all policies except scientology policy would be cancelled (goodbye US constitution, etc.).

And all this made me think that my God all those past horrors would happen again in a world run on scientology policy!!!!

Indeed Glibby, it is awful to think that people following this unfounded Hubbard "tech" could just categorize people at a glance and write them off. But it actually could be even worse, much worse.

Thus I think it is important, as part of getting out the truth about scientology, to also help open peoples' eyes to just how unfounded and dangerous some Hubbard writings can be.

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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:08 pm 
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I’ve come to think of Hubbard as the single cruelest man who ever lived. He not only wanted to control you, destroy your mind, body and soul, but wanted you to pay obscene amounts of money for your own personal destruction and have a smile on your face and be totally convinced that you are performing a good and noble service to humankind while you sink into total oblivion.

After having been out of the cult for nearly 15 years, the horror stories I have read about Hubbard’s wretched “tech” make me more and more convinced it has made me that it has no merit and only starts you on the path to insanity and death.

The tone scale is just one more of his tools to control your mind which invariably leads to the death of rational thought and critical thinking. Although I do not personally believe in the existence of hell, if there is such a thing, then the hottest spot is reserved for the likes of Hubbard, Hitler and Stalin, and eventually, David Micavige.

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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:04 am 
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If L. Ron Hubbard's tone scale actually worked or even had anything to do with anything actors involved with $cientology would be better actors. They use the tone scale in their performances and it restricts their range. The same goes for singers.

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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:17 am 
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Here is a link to the podcast for the show which aired today:

http://exscnforum.com/pubmedia/TheEdgePEkman1.mp3

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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:30 pm 
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I got some $cientology mail today and for some reason they included this bulletin.

One of the policies on mailing stuff from an org says to make the package on the massive side as it has
something to do with better "havingness" on the part of the recipient. So often when they send
something out in the mail they'll add things to it to make it more chunky.

Anyway, here's $cientology's "tone scale" in full. One of the "golden age of tech" drills is to say this over
and over again to a wall until it can be rhymed off verbatim without looking at it.
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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:55 pm 
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^^ This tone scale is incomplete because there is no homosexuality on it.

Regarding the scale as a whole -- poor Hubbard borrowed it from a wrong source, now everyone is laughing at it.

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 Post subject: Re: Emotions and Hubbard's Tone Scale - Another Look
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Isn't it interesting how he puts "action/games/postulates" - the things that OTs are supposed to do - right at the top, a decimal place above everything else.
I wonder how this relates to things like "disconnection" where your pathway up the bridge becomes more important than your relationship to your family by an order of magnitude.

Also "plus emotion / minus emotion" etc. seems to resonate with Orwell's Newspeak "doubleplusgood"/"doubleplusungood" :)


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