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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:04 pm 
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Don Carlo wrote:
A sure-fire win would be child labor from a recently escaped Sea Org worker, with documentation (like a journal) or witnesses proving long hours, low pay, and not enough hours of real schooling at the cadet academy. It would need to be filed before the statute of limitations expires.
In the past, it has taken longer for ex-Sea Org members to get to
a point where they were ready to think about legal redress for what
they endured. Today however, with the extensive support network
provided by other former members, it may be people will be quicker
in approaching lawyers about filing against Scientology. For me, it's
just a question of time before that happens. The problem is that getting
attorneys with the relevant experience is not easy: and it tends to be
the same ones doing the heavy-lifting work.


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The federal and the state department of labor are SUPPOSED to help with minimum wage cases, since underpaid workers can't afford lawyers.


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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:16 pm 
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Don Carlo wrote:
The federal and the state department of labor are SUPPOSED to help with minimum wage cases, since underpaid workers can't afford lawyers.
I make much the same point in one of my notes to the piece
(#14).

What the U.S. seems to lack is the political will. They
don't have anyone like Senator Xenophon in Australia.

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
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Albion wrote:
Don Carlo wrote:
The federal and the state department of labor are SUPPOSED to help with minimum wage cases, since underpaid workers can't afford lawyers.
I make much the same point in one of my notes to the piece
(#14).

What the U.S. seems to lack is the political will. They
don't have anyone like Senator Xenophon in Australia.

jj


And they certainly don't want to offend John Travolta, Tom Cruise or their good friend Oprah Winfrey.

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:29 pm 
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As sad as this is, the judge is right. People who stay in the SeaBorg do so because that is what they choose to do.

The huge mistake that I see people making time and time again is in taking the attitude that they need the cult's approval. Tricking someone into doing this is a common technique used by authoritarian groups and regimes. It is the reason why most of the people in Jonestown drank the kool aide. They cared more about the approval of Jim Jones than they did their own lives.

AUTHORITY IS IN THE MIND OF THE BEHOLDER.

I hear tell that there are people locked up somewhere in Hemet by Miscavige. Obviously they're not able to leave. He'll be going to prison for the rest of his life one day over this, but for the moment they're stuck.

Nobody else is.

SeaBorg people out at Pac Base or AOLA aren't locked in a closet at night. They can and should walk away. The only reason they don't is because they've been so bullshitted into believing that this stupid cult has authority over them, that it should be respected, rather than ridiculed.

So they stay in a miserable situation.

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
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What I never figured out is why hasn't CoS ever been marked as a Vexatious litigation?


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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:08 am 
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it is marked in courts!
viewtopic.php?p=494058#p494058

High Court of London 1984 Justice Latey
There has been harassment of the mother and step-father in this case. The father sent the documents in the case to the "Church", who in turn sent them with directions to the head of their Guardians' Office in the town where the mother and step-father lived. They tried to persuade them to discontinue the proceedings. If they did not they would be interfering with the "spiritual progress" of the children and would be expelled from the Church. They refused. Soon afterwards one of the step-father's company's employees, a Scientologist, resigned his job. He told the stepfather that this was because he was engaging in suppressive acts". He said that he had not wished to leave the company but had been ordered to do so by the "Church". I was informed of this at the hearing for directions in January 1984.
I warned that any continuance or repetition would be severely dealt with and it is right to say that there has been none. Now at the end of this case I repeat publicly what I said then: The powers of this Court are wide and its arm is long. If there is any intimidation or harassment of any description of anyone connected with this case it will be dealt with the utmost severity.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/audit/latey.html#7c

Soderqvist1: isn’t it extra ordinary that David Miscavige beat the hell out of the mission holders is an appendix in a child custody case?
http://www.xenu.net/archive/audit/missions.html

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:53 am 
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Kreed wrote:
What I never figured out is why hasn't CoS ever been marked as a Vexatious litigation?

They have. The Special Master in the Mayo case awarded Mayo $2.9 million and had some very choice comments as regards the Co$ wanton abuse of the legal system. He said he'd never seen anything like it. If you go to the thread about abuses )on this forum) you can find the actual statement - I believe it's about page 30. AFAIK, that is far from the only case in which the judge called vexatious litigation. The perception is that the Co$ wins its cases. Apparently, they lose most of them (I mean most of them by a large percentage, not just 51-49). The perception is the Co$ has all the legal rights it claims to have, Apparently, they have very few of the "rights" they claim.

I fail to see why a legitimate church, IF it delivers a widely accepted beneficial product, has to hide so much of what it does, lock people up, ridicule them, excommunicate upwards of 76% of its most senior and distinguished members, call anyone who disagrees with them "bitter defrocked apostates" and "suppressive personalities", depend on Hollywood celebrities for its public image (Hollywood?? Saintly??) beat people, refuse to pay them, slander and threaten ... it doesn't seem to be a church at all.

Tenor.


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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
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IDIOTS. LRH's Wog and Squirrel Handling Tech fails yet again.

Scientology to Marc and Claire Headley: Spy For Us and We'll Forget the $43K You Owe

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/09/scientology_marc_headley_spy_for_us.php#more

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The Voice has obtained a remarkable document -- a letter from Scientology's attorneys which explains how the church would agree to forgive almost $43,000 in court costs if Marc and Claire Headley agree to turn over information about former Scientology executive Marty Rathbun and "others involved in disparaging" the church, "including any media contacts."


The "church" also wants Marc to sign over all rights to Blown for Good, and a"permanent disenagement" with the "church" (read: never speak about it again).

They're over $12,000 at the moment. Watching the amount rise and rise is So. Much. Fun. (yes, I donated)


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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
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ordinarycitizen wrote:
IDIOTS. LRH's Wog and Squirrel Handling Tech fails yet again.

Scientology to Marc and Claire Headley: Spy For Us and We'll Forget the $43K You Owe

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012//scientology_marc_headley_spy_for_us.php#more

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The Voice has obtained a remarkable document -- a letter from Scientology's attorneys which explains how the church would agree to forgive almost $43,000 in court costs if Marc and Claire Headley agree to turn over information about former Scientology executive Marty Rathbun and "others involved in disparaging" the church, "including any media contacts."


The "church" also wants Marc to sign over all rights to Blown for Good, and a"permanent disenagement" with the "church" (read: never speak about it again).

They're over $12,000 at the moment. Watching the amount rise and rise is So. Much. Fun. (yes, I donated)


*TYPO FIXED!*

I think this appeal should have its own SEPARATE thread. Easy to miss it in this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:25 am 
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The addresses given didn't work for me. I searched for the article on Village Voice. Here's the address that worked for me.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... for_us.php

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
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D'oh! Thanks, Wieber, I fixed the link.

And the Headleys' fund is coming up on $14,000. I bet there is much crapping of drawers in Hemet ...


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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
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Tis funny, as this subject sent me into some total recall about a movie called "White men Can't Jump"

"Sometimes when you win, you really lose. And sometimes when you lose, you really win."

Scientology won the court case, but they are winning nothing else, apparently.

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 Post subject: Re: Scientology wins appeal in Headley lawsuit..
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The story seems now to be as much about the amazing response to the Headleys' plight as their refusal to buckle under and act as informers for Scientology. I've put together an account at Infinite Complacency.

http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com ... round.html

Marc and Claire Headley have refused an offer from Scientology to inform on fellow critics of the movement in return for having their hefty legal costs waived – and now their supporters are rallying round.

Here's the link to the defence fund: http://www.gofundme.com/15lfi4

(I'm just wondering mods: maybe the amazing response to the Headleys deserves a separate thread?)


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