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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:51 am 
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Total Restriction Exists



You do not have the total freedom to be a CoS parishioner.

You do not have the total freedom to be a Freezoner.

You do not have the total freedom to be a Christian.

You do not have the total freedom to be a psychiatrist's patient and take your Paxil.

You do not have the total freedom to demand your electric shock treatment.

You do not have the total freedom to be a critic of CoS management.

You do not have the total freedom to think for yourself.

You do not have the total freedom to let others do your thinking for you.

You do not have the total freedom to be a Sea Org member.

You do not have the total freedom to ask 'why are they dead?'

You do not have the total freedom to ask 'why are they alive?'

You do not have the total freedom to criticize the Church that Ron built.

You do not have the total freedom to donate all your money to the IAS.

You do not have the total freedom to be buried with a sack of gold.

You do not have the total freedom to have psychosurgery (a lobotomy).

You do not have the total freedom to remain an alcoholic.

You do not have the total freedom to say auditing is good.

You do not have the total freedom to say auditing never helped anyone.

You do not have the total freedom to be God.

You do not have the total freedom to say our planet is perfect.

You do not have the total freedom to say planet Earth sucks.


Total Restriction Exists :lol:



"An endless freedom from is a perfect trap, a fear of all things ... Fixed on too many barriers, man yearns to be free. But launched into total freedom he is purposeless and miserable."
- L. Ron Hubbard, The Reason Why 15 May 1956.


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Well, thanks for sharing, Goz. Hope you're feeling better soon.


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Wealthy Neurotics


I read the PAB (Professional Auditor's Bulletin) titled The Reason Why last night.

One thing that caught my attention was this remark: "From this we get the oddity of a high incidence of neuroses in the families of the rich. These people have very little to do and have very few problems. The basic problems of food, clothing and shelter have already been solved for them. We would suppose, then, if it were true that an individual's happiness depended only upon his freedom, these people would be happy. However, they are not happy. What brings about their unhappiness? It is the lack of problems."

I found this interesting -- the idea that wealthy folk are apparently more mentally unstable than the poor.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:11 am 
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Goz,

That stuff about "the rich" might be true for a few but many rich are very personally driven people who take on a lot of very big (usually business related) problems - and many work long hours.

I recommend that when you read statements like that in SCN publications that you do your own checking on it to verify the truth (or lack thereof).

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Hi Goz,

You are correct about a lot of issues, But what the Heck if we all felt that way and dwelled
on them things we would all be like Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists/unabomber/

He was as I understand it an intelligent person but he thought that the world was all wrong as you have also written in
your above total freedom dissertation.

I am sure that there are many many other total freedom thing that could be mentioned and my take on the situation is that Frank Sanatra, Sings it best:

Frank Sinatra - That's Life!Song - That's Life!

Album -That's life (that's life), that's what all the people say

You're ridin' high in April, shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune

When I'm back on top, back on top in June I said that's life (that's life), and as funny as it may seem

Some people get their kicks stompin' on a dream
But I don't let it, let it get me down

'cause this fine old world, it keeps spinnin' around

I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet, a pawn and a king

I've been up and down and over and out and I know one thing

Each time I find myself flat on my face
I pick myself up and get back in the race

That's life (that's life), I tell you I can't deny it

I thought of quitting, baby, but my heart just ain't gonna buy it

And if I didn't think it was worth one single try
I'd jump right on a big bird and then I'd fly

I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet, a pawn and a king

I've been up and down and over and out and I know one thing

Each time I find myself layin' flat on my face
I just pick myself up and get back in the race

That's life (that's life), that's life and I can't deny it

Many times I thought of cuttin' out but my heart won't buy it

But if there's nothin' shakin' come this here July
I'm gonna roll myself up in a big ball a-and die
My, my!

((All the best to you and yours.))

~Frank Green~


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Frank,

HaHa. I beatcha to it by just a few minutes. What do I mean? Just read my post on the thread "Good Quotes". (OR had you already read that?)

Best regards,
Larry

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Ron wrote PAB No 84 in 1956.

It looks like he must have read somewhere about there being a high incidence of neuroses among wealthy families and decided to use this to promote his idea that an overabundance freedom is not a desirable thing.

"There are various states of mind that bring about happiness. That state of mind which insists only upon freedom can bring about nothing but unhappiness." (Hubbard)

It would be interesting to get figures on this. For example, if you took 100 rich folk and 100 poor folk at random, and compared both samples, whether the wealthy ones would have the most mental problems.


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If your samples were from:

1. poor folks in the Carribean prior to, say, 1970;
2. rich folks from high-tech business;

You may not find a significant difference concerning neurosis.


If your samples were from:

1. poor folks in Watts;
2. rich folks in Hollyweird;

You may not find a significant difference concerning neurosis.

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The time period could present a problem for accuracy. What the circumstances were in 1956 -- and what they are currently -- would no doubt be vasty different (I'm thinking about the fact that many poor have access to social security payments and whatnot these days).

Then there is the geographical considerations -- which have been alluded to.

There would be all sorts of difficulties.

This is the sort of thing one runs into when you are reading material written by someone like Hubbard who never gave too many references for where he got his ideas from.

He may have been describing something from the early Kings of England era of several centuries ago for all anyone knows.

What one encounters when attempting to study Hubbard's writings in-depth. His style doesn't lend itself to close dissection.

And is probably one of the reasons why I would say 99.99 percent of Scn students never question anything written by him.


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Hi Frank

Whilst on the subject of the Unabomber..

Ship Of Fools

a short story by Ted Kaczynski


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Hubbard's family was wealthy with neuroses.

Hubbard was neurotic even before before he was wealthy.

I would bet that money doesn't cause as much neurosis as scientology does.


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Quote:
"Hubbard's family was wealthy with neuroses."


Which members of his family would you say suffered from neurotic tendencies?


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Interesting interview of Kaczynski at his new high tech 'supermax' prison abode by a fellow primitivistic lifestyle advocate:

"Theodore Kaczynski developed a negative attitude toward the techno-industrial system very early in his life. It was in 1962, during his last year at Harvard, he explained, when he began feeling a sense of disillusionment with the svstem..."

Kaczynski Interview


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Appears to be a dysfunctional family to me.
Mary Sue went to prison, Hubbard was a bigamist and,

"I have already said that the public and private faces of Scientology are very different. The vast majority of Hubbard's followers are good people who genuinely believe that the techniques of Scientology can help the world. Most are ignorant of the hidden Fair Game teachings. Hubbard presented himself as a messiah, as Maitreya the last Buddha, but in fact he was privately a highly disturbed and frequently ill man. There are a number of reports of his drug abuse. He advocated the use of amphetamines. He admitted to barbiturate addiction and was also at times a heavy drinker. His treatment of those around him was often deplorable. Although holding himself out as an authority on child-rearing, his relationship with his children was genuinely dreadful. He disowned his first son, barely saw his first daughter, denied paternity of his second daughter, and Quentin, the oldest son of his third marriage, committed suicide. Quentin had reached the highest level of Scientology twice. He was a Class XII auditor and a "cleared theta clear", but he was also a homosexual. Hubbard was publicly homophobic - saying that all homosexuals are "covertly hostile" or backstabbers. I have received alarming reports of his sexual behaviour. I must emphasise that these reports are not corroborated, so can only stand as allegations. One Sea Organization officer claims to have witnessed a sexual encounter between Hubbard and a young boy in North Africa. Another claims that Hubbard admitted to a sexual relationship with one of his own children. It is impossible to substantiate such reports. But such behaviour would be in keeping with an extreme devotee of Aleister Crowley who said that in the training of a magician "Acts which are essentially dishonourable must be done."

In conclusion, I believe that Hubbard was a classic psychopath. Some trauma in infancy separated him from the world and made him unstrusting of other people. This developed into a paranoia, a need to control others. He created a dissociated world, inhabited by the Empress. Bear in mind that he actually saw the Empress in full colour, and that she spoke to him. From his comments about automatic writing and speaking, it could be averred that Hubbard was in fact "channeling" the Empress. Hubbard separated off a compartment of himself calling it the Empress and gave in to its urgings. He lived a life of dreadful contradiction. He claimed expertise in all things, but factually was a failure at most. Some will see him as having a psychiatric complaint, others will believe that he invoked the very devil, or Babalon, and was possessed. Hubbard's own belief lives on with all of its contradictions in his teachings. Ultimately, as Fritz Haack put it, Scientology is twentieth-century magic."
-Jon Atack


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"There are a number of reports of his drug abuse. He advocated the use of amphetamines. He admitted to barbiturate addiction and was also at times a heavy drinker."

Where are these reports?


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"I have received alarming reports of his sexual behaviour. I must emphasise that these reports are not corroborated, so can only stand as allegations. One Sea Organization officer claims to have witnessed a sexual encounter between Hubbard and a young boy in North Africa. Another claims that Hubbard admitted to a sexual relationship with one of his own children. It is impossible to substantiate such reports."

Where are the reports?

Who made the allegation?

Who is the Sea Org officer who allegedly witnessed this incident?

"It is impossible to substantiate such reports."

Producing the reports would be a good start.

Without evidence of such reports, all this is is Jon Attack rumormongering.


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