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 Post subject: OSA and Pitbull
PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:19 am 
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As this is a public message board "Opinions and Debate' I'd like an opportunity to offer an opinion. To newcomers OSA stands for 'Office of Special Affairs'. This is sceinospeak for scientology's gestapo department, and if you think I'm overstating it, please review the whole website at your leisure.
My opinion, as I've stated before, is that the 'pitbull persona' is an OSA action. I belive 'pitbull' is a crew rather than one person. The reason I personally would like to 'undress' pitbull is because it would be a loss for OSA. Others, of course, will deal with pitbull as they see fit. This, after all, is an opinion.
Every action that a staff member on post in scientology does is reflected in their 'stats' (statistics). To do this their actions must be given 'points' so that their success or failure can be graphed. Hubbard probably claimed he 'discovered' the science of statistics too. 'Pitbull' has a lot of leeway in what he posts. It's really not important in what he/she/they posts anyway, as long as he/she/they promote the current OSA action. I don't think 'pitbull' gets huge points for starting a thread, though he may since it helps push important threads to page 2. So let's say he gets 1-2 points for starting a thread. Anyway, I'm not here to guess at what the exact points are but let's say it could go like this:
Start a thread: 1 point
Get a response to your thread: 3 points
Posting a reply on another's thread: 1 point
Get a person to respond to your post directly on another thread: 5 pojnts
Total misdirection of a thread away from the original topic: 10 points

So it would go on something like this. The whole idea is to suck up as much attention as possible and to divert and deflect attention away from the church's abuses. If I am posting here replying to 'pitbull's' bullshit, then I am not active in finding something real hot about the church's abuses. Chuck Beatty's thread about Ex-Int staffers contacting him is HUGE. Pitbull has 2 posts where he simply tried to misdirect it. JSwift's Pellicano thread is HUGE. Pitbull has NO posts on this thread, though there are indications OSA may have made an attempt to inhibit it. Another value in pitbull starting threads is that he can push important threads off the main viewing area. This is also a tactic that TPark puts to use in his own little Freezone thread. Let's bury the entheta.

Anyway, it's an opinion. Do not kid yourseldf that this is just an innocent board where all contributers are above board and honest and they can discuss scientology. OSA is aware of this board and uses it as much as possible to further their agenda.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:37 am 
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TOTALY AGREED!!

Scientologists must think collectively or they could not think at all.

Scientologists entire reasoning process is altered.

Scientologists do what they are told, no questions.

Scientologists have no life of their own.


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PTS wrote:
TOTALY AGREED!!

Scientologists must think collectively or they could not think at all.

Scientologists entire reasoning process is altered.

Scientologists do what they are told, no questions.

Scientologists have no life of their own.



That sounds a lot like the Borg.


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Maybe Pitbull is OSA.. who knows? - When he sometimes post against $cientology it helps our cause.. When he posts in support of $cientology he also helps our cause.

Hah! - I'm in sticthes of mirth about that 'stat scale' you post Friendly Nature. - So he would get a point for posting... Then 'minus points' for 56 irate slammings of himself and Cof$ following? Some stat he can draw up! - But of course, if he count's stats the way I did when in... Mewhahaha!

Derailment of issue is our responsibility. Pitbull may be doing that, but it's still our own responsibilty to not get derailed. Even if a topic 'is' derailed, there's still the 56 irate slammings.

Nobody here is fooled by some Cof$ propaganda. Such inspires a regular avalanche of healthy debunking and ridicule.

If somebody lurking thinks the critics are 'insanely agressive' they'll assume that we got that way because of Cof$. I've seen that argued somewhere. - So what? - If they think that both the adherents and apostates are nuts they'll still keep a safe distance to Cof$.

If Pitbull 'is' OSA these mechanics would surely be disheartening for him/them. Sometimes I wonder if he's having a good laugh from all this.

To round this off profoundly, I'll quote Groucho Marx: "Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read..."

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Hey! - It has more 'profoundness' than that line about pitbulls calling a Scientologist! - So there!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:23 am 
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I realise I've only been here 5 minutes, but so far everything I've read by PitBull seems like he is being sarcastic and really hates the CoS. All you have to do is add a ;) at then end of every post, and you can clearly see that he is actually mocking the CoS.

e.g. his comment about using the CoS dictionary instead of any accepted dictionary, thus making any announcements by the CoS or its members mean anything they want it to. All you have to do is add a ;) to the end of that post, and you realise he is mocking the CoS.

Either that or he really is one screwed up guy ;)

I've got no idea on the content of his previous posts, I can only comment on the ones I've read since joining.

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Good Points all of them!

The main point is that Pitbull helps prove that $cientology is dangerous to anyone psyche. The garbage arguments that the multitude of posters using the Pitbull signon put forward serve our purpose.

Pitbull is therefor our village idiot at best or the sad joke of OCMB at worst.

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Soylent Purple wrote:
I realise I've only been here 5 minutes, but so far everything I've read by PitBull seems like he is being sarcastic and really hates the CoS. All you have to do is add a ;) at then end of every post, and you can clearly see that he is actually mocking the CoS.

e.g. his comment about using the CoS dictionary instead of any accepted dictionary, thus making any announcements by the CoS or its members mean anything they want it to. All you have to do is add a ;) to the end of that post, and you realise he is mocking the CoS.

Either that or he really is one screwed up guy ;)

I've got no idea on the content of his previous posts, I can only comment on the ones I've read since joining.


I'm pretty sure he/she is just screwed up.

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Getting someone to start a thread just about Pitbull: 20 points :lol:


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Crimson wrote:

I'm pretty sure he/she is just screwed up.



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KMomma wrote:
Getting someone to start a thread just about Pitbull: 20 points :lol:


Good one!!! Having someone post to a thread where the word 'Pitbull' and "OSA' are positioned in the same sentence, thereby bumping the thread to the top of the board - minus 100 points and rice & beans for a week!!!

Thanks all for your comments and opinions. Excellent thoughts all. I had my purpose in starting this thread and I thought it had some value or I would not have started it. But thanks again - I do appreciate your thoughtful replies.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:24 pm 
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I used to think pitbull was OSA. I don't anymore.

Sometimes I think he is the love child of Barbara Schwartz and Truthseeker (i.e. just a crazy muckracking ex-scieno).

Sometimes I think he is in the employ of the OSA (i.e. not a scientologist, but paid to just hang around and annoy and confuse people).

Sometimes I think he is Roland Rasliegh Berry's bitter OCMB cousin and still pissed off that Roland RB got to draft the Xenu flyer and not him. While I definitely think something is "off" with pitbull, if you read Roland RB (who is unassailable as a critic of Scientology), you get a similar flavor of posts.

Sometimes I want to catch lunch with pitbull in NYC so he can tell me all he knows about John "the Scarecrow" Carmichael. Come on, pitbull, spill the beans. Give us a juicy story about the NYC org for old times sake.

Sometimes I just don't care.

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You want a "juicy" story about the New York Org? Well look no further:

http://www.scientology-newyork.org/index.html

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pitbull wrote:
You want a "jucy" story about the New York Org? Well look no further:

http://www.scientology-newyork.org/index.html



spell much? and no thanks.

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Crimson wrote:
pitbull wrote:
You want a "jucy" story about the New York Org? Well look no further:

http://www.scientology-newyork.org/index.html



spell much? and no thanks.


Oh, I see what happened here (I was a little confused at first). You caught that 'bad speller' pitbull persona in another typo, and he/she/they went back and corrected the typo. Getting a bit defensive there, pitbullshit?


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pitbull wrote:
You want a "juicy" story about the New York Org? Well look no further:

http://www.scientology-newyork.org/index.html


I take it that article is "juicy" because the NY org is now going after people who the cult deemed not worthy of their time in the past. Would this be correct pb?

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