I have a friend that I still keep in touch with at the place I used to work at the uses Scientology tech. They are making her take a course at the church called Ups and Downs. She said that they also try to audit her every time she is on course. Now, is that standard for that course? I believe, that they are trying to audit her b/c she is saying that she does not want to go there anymore and they think she is getting "false data" from somewhere. Also, what can and can't religions do in the work place. She is afraid if she refuses to go there anymore, they will fire her.

Please let me know, or point me in the right direction to start researching. I'm coming up with nothing here.

THANKS

I also work in a "tech" office. Probably won't be there much longer. When I took Ups & Downs, no one tried to audit me, but I did not openly object to anything-those who did were sent to ethics-I don't know if they were audited. My course work was also not done at the church, but at a consulting firm. I actually thought it would be helpful and my employer requires taking and applying the tech as a condition of employment. "If I don't want the tech, I don't want the job". May be the same for your friend. There are better opportunities for your friend and myself. I'll just play the game for now.

Auditing is not part of the Ups and Downs course.

As for
you should ask your labor union.

Don Carlo said in the thread "I work with scientologists i think?"


I will also suggest you take a lot at the OCMB thread "Scientology in the workplace". Lots of great advice and info.

Sarah

No, there's no auditing, but they do and will in the future try to get you to identify "suppressive" influences in your life, now that you've learned what (twelve) traits describe each...

...not that it matters. You're "suppressed" by anything that is even the least bit skeptical of their motives and operation.

Here is the scientology site that explains the "Ups and Downs in Life" course:

http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/sh11.htm

You should ask her to clarify what she means by auditing.

She may be referring to doing auditing or auditing drills with
other students on other courses in the courseroom or academy.

If she is actually getting auditing, then isn't that a good thing?
That's what most people want in Scientology, when in reality
they have to go begging for it.

Auditing is not part of ethics handlings.

If a person is not on a course wherein one coaudits, then no one will "try to audit" them.

Consulting firms, not being CofS missions and orgs, tend to be rather short of auditors.

Further, if one was "regged" for auditing (at a CofS mission or Org) one would be asked to either pay for it or enroll on a course where "coauditing" was taught and rendered.

I'm still learning about the way things work in the tech. I don't have all the definitions or theory behind the practice of scientology-I never will. The more I learn, the less I like it. It seems like it's perfectly acceptable to lie to or trick people because "you're trying to help them"- I can't agree with that. Thanks to all of you offering information.

Fluff, I don't think that is quite correct. One does not need to be on a co-audit course to be wrangled into doing some auditing. Org sups and students are always scrambling around to find people to get into the chair.

I remember it being a big no-no to audit someone PTS or suspected of being PTS until such situation was handled.

Sounds like stat padding to me. Have someone on course (to collect student points, etc.) and give them auditing (for WDAHs). So you double-count your people.

Highly unethical. Someone needs to do the ISE retread.


Barky

Good point. If someone was placed on "ups and downs" that might be an ethics handling in itself.. But considering that they break their own rules all the time then who knows.

But I think KMomma needs to clarify exactly what she is calling auditing.
It could have just been some drills.

No, it is not drills. And, she is going to the CHURCH, it is not being done through the consulting group.

She says that every time she is done with the course for the day, they pull her aside to another room, get the e-meter out and start questioning her. When she says that she is not comfortable with the personal questions, they go on to work related ones. I believe they are auditing her or trying to.

This is her 2nd or 3rd course, I will have to clarify with her, that she has taken down there. I know that she took the communications course and maybe something else, but she said that they never did that to her before, it wasn't until she started telling her boss that she does not want to go to the church anymore for course. She told him she does not mind training, but not training from the CofS.

Pitbull - She is not a Scientologist, just an employee of one. That does not mean that she wants auditing.

Wanting to leave is called a "blow" in scientology.

From HCOB19June71 III: "unauthorized departure from an area, usually caused by misunderstood data or overts."

The usual handling for someone wanting to blow a course, would be to put them on an e-meter and check for misunderstood words, (because obviously if you don't agree with LRH you must have gone past a word you didn't understand )

If that didn't work, the next step would be to find your overts and with holds (O/Ws) because the tech cannot "go in" if your ethics are "out".

It sounds like if they are putting your friend on an e-meter and asking her personal questions about her life and her job, they are probably "sec-checking" her. There is another process on the meter called "Flying Ruds" that was recently explained really well on another thread, here again the goal is to find out what O/Ws the person has that is making them want to leave or not like the course.

Security checking is not technically auditing, but the procedure is pretty much the same...ask her who is the "auditor"? Is it another student, or the ethiics officer? The supervisor?

There can be alot of pressure brought on a person to convince you there is something wrong with YOU, and that is very introverting and not good for your mental health, especially with a job on the line.

Your friend is at risk of getting "brainwashed" and could get sucked in to agreement with what is being forced down her throat.

I am glad she has you on her side, and if you have any questions I can help you with, I will be around, as are many others.

www.lermanet.com has alot of info on deprogramming and exit stratedgies, and a good page on "The 10 Steps Out Of Scientology.

All the Best, Ladybird

PS: Read the "Ups and Downs" course I posted the link to earlier on this thread. You will see that the main objective is finding the "suppresive person" who doesn't want you to get better. In scientology think, the only way to get better is to do scientology, and the only real "SP"s are people who don't agree with scientology. So be careful and gentle, otherwise she might be ordered to disconnect from you.

Yes, it definitely sounds like a sec check, which could mean they have some doubts about her committment, or her questions or that someone is trying to "discourage" her from becoming a Scientologist.

I thhink sometimes the sec check is also done when someone is not getting "processed" as fast as he/she or SCN thinks he/she should be.

The problem usually is explained away as being the fault of the course taker, or a SP (supressive person) in her/his life..... never the tech and a redo of the course is advised....complete with another payment for the redo and a disconnection from anyone who might be telling her "bad things" about Scientology.

Tigger

It certainly does sound like some kind of "sec chek". Ask her what kind of quesitions they are probling into. Maybe the church has a new procedure, handed down by dave, with very specific interrogation techniques to check for nasty sp's right away or find the weak point that will bring them into church domination.

Clearly, those running the church are sick and twisted cult leaders at this point who are using the scientology organization for their own demented ends.