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OT4Free: Go ahead and have it your way. I will accept that Hubbard was extremely mentally ill and not Satanic. In any case, I had already had stated before you made your remarks that most modern people do not believe in Satan.

It is, however, a poor conclusion to say that evil all resides in the imagination. Evil has to reside in the will in order to be enacted. The greatest modern Satanist movement was Nazism. The Nazis were secretly steeped in Satanism and all SS soldiers underwent secret rituals at a an old castle Himmler used as SS HQ.The Manson Murders are another gruesome case of Satanism being enacted in the world in great violence.

I am not someone who sees demons everywhere. But I do look closely at people's spiritual condition and the spiritual conditions surrounding violence. In Nigeria, for example, people are routinely sacraficed in occult rituals in the belief that if the gods are fed blood that money will come down from the sky. Human body parts are also sought for potions:
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The murder in London of a Nigerian boy, simply named Adam by the British Police, might have brought to international focus and attention one of the most dreadful and horrifying practices in Nigeria - ritual killing.

In September 2001, the mutilated body of "Boy Adam" was found by the British Police floating in the River Thames, near Tower Bridge in London. A top police source suspected that Adam might have been a victim of a style of ritual killing practiced in west and southern Africa. And forensic examination revealed that Adam lived in southwestern Nigeria.

So, early this year, British detectives arrived in Nigeria in search of Adam's killers. Both the former president of South Africa, Nelson Mandela, and Nigerian soccer player Nwankwo Kanu, made passionate appeals for clues and information leading to the arrest of Adam's killers.

In July, Police arrested a 37-year-old Nigerian, Sam Onogigovie (in Dublin), and twenty-one other Nigerians in Britain in connection with the murder of Adam. Generally, ritual killing is a common practice in Nigeria. Every year, hundreds of Nigerians lose their lives to ritual murderers, also known as headhunters.

These head hunters go in search of human parts-head, breast, tongue, sexual organs-at the behest of witchdoctors, juju priests, and traditional medicine men who require them for some sacrifices or for the preparation of assorted magical potions.

Recently, there have been several reported cases of individuals who were kidnapped, killed, or had their bodies mutilated by ritualists in Nigeria. The most notorious of them is the one associated with one Chief Vincent Duru, popularly known as Otokoto....


http://www.csicop.org/sb/2004-06/nigeria.html

These practices are not unique to Nigeria and are seen in the Caribbean, China, Russia, Mexico, South America, and even America. Science tends to isolate people from the supernatural but that does not mean that the supernatural is a contrivance of the human imagination. When one begins to parse the supernatural from superstition one can find psychic phenomena that cannot be accounted for based on science. Still, materialists are commited to a brain-hardware paradigm and so have to reduce the human experience to neural processing. As much as atheists like to claim that atheism promotes self-virtue, atheism does not confer moral goodness in and of itself. An individual deciding to be moral is what makes a moral person. If a person has a belief system or ideology that motivates them to be moral, their decision is still the key factor.

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The belief in exchange permeates Satanic practices, and it does not matter what name Satan goes by. The principle is ancient in human nature: If I give Satan "X" he will give me money, sex, and power.

The belief in exchange also permeates religion: If I am good and obey God, God will give me money, a nice sexual marriage partner, and power.

Exchange with spiritual entities is hardwired into the human brain. Even atheists can crack under some strain and say, "If there is a God, please help me now and prove yourself...." as if God will be flattered by their change of mind as they hang perilously from the edge a cliff somewhere.

People are always making deals with the universe, with God, or with some force they perceive to be in control such as their subconscious mind. People use hypnosis and self-hypnosis in an attempt to program themselves to succeed, as if the subconscious could be tricked or programmed so as to make a person somehow effortlessly produce a huge income or whatever they want. This is the belief that a person can attract what they need and want from the universe if they are a aligned on a purpose, as if having a purpose was what the universe wants and will support.

Some people formalize these deals using the traditional names associated with either good or evil. The names used do not matter, but the intention does.

LRH wanted power, sex, and money. He wanted to hammer his name into history books. Hubbard, who considered himself the Antichrist, had no trouble making deals with evil forces as he considered himself a master Magician who could conjure and control these forces.

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I reiterate that this is how the universe occurs to me and I have no need to convert anyone to what I believe. The universe allows for a myriad of explanations and interpretations in terms of human behavior and belief for that is its nature.

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1. Control, lying, and religion

Let us take a look at the following two famous statements by Ron Hubbard:

1) 'The only way you can control people is to lie to them.'
2) 'Organized religion tries to control, so therefore must be lying.'

What is really being said here? Is lying to people really the ONLY way to control them? The answer would depend upon what is meant by control. We probably need some LRH 'word clearing' here. But it is obvious that Mr. 'Source' expressed one of his deepest convictions through these two statements. Because the point is that Hubbard must have desired to be in full control of himself. If you are going to control others, you must control yourself first. And if this megalomaniac wished to acquire control of himself, of humanity, of the planet and eventually the galaxy and the entire universe and be 'God Almighty', or 'Source' - well then he must have been lying to himself from the beginning.

This may appear to be a paradox. According to statement nr. 1, 'The only way you can control people is to lie to them.' Hubbard infers that a person who seeks to control people, DELIBERATELY lies to them. When you lie on purpose, you know that what you say is an untruth. But as long as you know this, you have not succeeded in lying to yourself, and according to LRH logic, you are not in control of yourself until you do.

Even if this does not necessarily explain why Ron believed his own lies, there is clearly a connection here. He obviously believed all of it - not only his space opera, but even his bogus biography! In 1980, Gerry Armstrong found a lot of stuff that documented the true story of LRH. And how does the old chief react to this? With pride and enthusiasm, he tells Armstrong to go ahead and research his background and write his biography. When Armstrong discovers that the evidence at hand does not match the lie, he is expelled from the church and declared a Suppressive Person. So why hadn't Hubbard told Armstrong to burn the evidence and forget the research and the biography to begin with, UNLESS HE HAD BELIEVED IN HIS OWN LIES?

Why did Ron succeed in lying to himself? In order to be in self-control, of course.

Let's move on to Hubbard's statement nr. 2: 'Organized religion tries to control, so therefore must be lying.'

Hubbard claimed that ALL established religions were bogus 'implants' based upon lies in order to control people. All of them. (Except certain aspects of Buddhism, that is, because Ron had also been Buddha, remember? - but that's beside the point here.)

Hubbard also claimed that the most evil, deceptive and vicious spirit ever to tread the earth was Jesus Christ (the reincarnation of Xenu, of course).

1) 'The only way you can control people is to lie to them.'

2) 'Organized religion tries to control, so therefore must be lying.'

Are these two claims by Hubbard one hundred percent untrue? Of course they are not. They are both half-truths, which proves my theory: Ron succeeded in lying to himself and in believing his own lies by mixing them with half-truths.

2. Right-handed vs. left-handed initiation

I never knew what Scientology was about before December 1996, when I collected and read all the Internet-documentation I could get my hands on in order to write my article on the subject for Gateavisa.

The first thing that struck me as very interesting was the concept of 'body thetans'. This is advanced occult stuff, I thought to myself. Where in the world did he get THAT from? It made me wonder what kind of man Ron Hubbard really was, how he acquired such concepts, and whether or not he had indeed succeeded in developing some kind of clairvoyance for himself by means of a 'left-handed initiation'. (I'll get back to Ron's BTs later.)

'Left-handed' and 'right-handed' are technical terms borrowed from Western occultism, and they warrant some clarification. Let's try to please Mister Source by doing our word clearing properly, shall we? Better not rush by any Misunderstood Words here!

Western occult tradition speaks of a right-handed and a left-handed occultism, which means, strictly speaking, white and black magic. The right-handed path, which it is called, is an extremely difficult and time-consuming approach, requiring enormous patience and endurance. It is based upon the moral purification of body, soul and spirit and the cultivation of total harmlessness and unconditional selfless love toward all living creatures. Because of the very lofty and difficult demands the candidate must make upon himself, it takes many life-times, or incarnations, to develop such spiritual-moral capacities to the point of intitiation, or modern clairvoyance.

. Was L. Ron Hubbard a black magician?

I have ponted out that Western occult tradition speaks of a right-handed and a left-handed occultism, which is equivalent to white and black magic. I also explained that the right-handed path is based upon very demanding and time-consuming moral purification of body, soul and spirit and the cultivation of total harmlessness and unconditional selfless love toward all living creatures.

The black magician, or the left-handed occultist, seeks to strengthen the power of egoism. When he succeeds in doing so, he experiences an increase in his separateness from his fellow creatures, from the rest of life. It is important, therefore, that he learns to desensitize himself from the inner experiences of others and thus acquires the capacity to ignore, or to take pleasure in, the sufferings of fellow creatures. By using advanced techniques for this purpose, the black magician may acquire tremendous power. This may culminate in a left-handed initiation which gives him clairvoyance.

By the same token, a thorough investigation and increased public dissemination of L. Ron Hubbard's ideas, where they come from, and how they have been distorted and falsified in order to control, exploit and abuse people, should provide the best possible protection from Religious Technology Center, the Church of Scientology, Narconon, Criminon and all other brainchildren of LRH.

Lafayette Ron Hubbard was a paranoid psychopath who dabbled in the practice of black magic. He suffered from psychotic spells and suicidal depressions. His followers have left an unending trail of psychoses, suicides, murders and bizarre deaths.

I am very curious about whether Hubbard's flirtation with black magical practices were exclusively amateurish and elementary, or if he was a somewhat more advanced master of left-handed occultism. It would be very helpful to our common research of Scientology if anybody can contribute with clues or information of this kind.

4. Cosmic memory. The origin of man

'Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous,' said L. Ron Hubbard in 1949, 'If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion.'

Compare this utterance with the one already mentioned, 'Organized religion tries to control, so therefore must be lying.'

Concluson? Try this: Religion is a business. Religion is lying. Lying is business. The best way to make a million dollars is to start lying for a profit.

With this in mind, Hubbard concocted a highly original 'creation story' which he called a 'space opera'. As a religious myth, a space opera is highly original, though not necessarily for a science fiction story. Nevertheless, a 'creation story' is a misnomer, because thetans have never been created. They have always existed, and they leave no room for benign beings of a higher rank. Scientology has eliminated the concept of spiritual parenthood which is common to all other religions. Scientologists only talk about cannibalistic cosmic space-psychiatrists who used to breed thetans in order to eat their bodies.

The thetan who has not been created is an idea very akin to the traditional Roman Catholic idea about Christ. Those Christians who were influenced by Gnosticism and who believed that Christ was a created being, were persecuted as heretics.

5. Do we choose our parents?

Scientology does not appear to leave much room for love, empathy, compassion, or genuine affection, in spite of Hubbard's adoption of the idea that we choose our parents prior to conception.
8. Who was Buddha?

Ron Hubbard claimed to have been the Buddha and thus have the monopoly on the key to the only true religion. This is an interesting twist. Buddhism was not an implant, and the Buddha was not, like the Christ, a competitor who had to be 'dead agented' as a hot tempered, pedophile reincarnation of an evil galactic emperor Xenu. How Ron could be the Antichrist, the Buddha, and Source Almighty all at the same time is a different matter, but the selection is eccentric - and totally absurd.

But what if Ron was Buddha and Antichrist at the same time? Well, then I guess he would have warned the shepherds against the birth of Xenu. But the Roman psychiatrists edited and censored the Bible, or Luke simply overlooked Ron's warning altogether.

9. Do we come from other planets?

According to Scientological cosmology, human beings are trapped in some kind of exile on Earth, or on Teegeeack as the planet is called, which is Marcabian for prison, having been involuntarily transported here seventy-five million years ago. Farther back in time, seventy-six trillion years ago to be exact, the first catastrophe occurred when humanity was tricked into occupying physical bodies. The only way out of this dilemma is to apply Ron's religious technology, or 'the tech,' to tread the Bridge to Total Freedom and clear the planet.

If we leave out the sci-fi space opera stuff, it is easy to find parallell concepts in various religious and occult traditions. Judeo-Christian lore speaks of the Temptation, the Fall, and the expulsion from Paradise. This Fall from Paradise, which is a euphemism for unencumbered spiritual existence, was the price to be paid for the knowledge or wisdom given by Lucifer, the Lightbearer. (Hubbard had aspirations about being Lucifer as well.) This Fall involved not only man, but all of nature, which meant a gradual densification or ossification. The evolving beings, called Monads by Helena Blavatsky, and Thetans by Buddha-Antichrist-Lucifer-Source-Hubbard, began to incarnate. In classical Greek parlance, these Monads or Thetans are called Entelechies.

The Vedic Scriptures of ancient India represent perhaps the oldest lore in the world, having been passed through generations for millennia by word of mouth before being recorded in written Sanscrit. This tradition speaks about how the souls of men and animals descended from the stars, 'the stars' meaning the planets in our solar system.

11. Ron Hubbard's war against Jesus Christ

A day of the week is a 24-hour period, based upon how long it takes the earth to spin in relation to the sun. A calendar year is the period of time it takes for the earth to make one complete circle around the sun. Our measurement of time is in other words dependent upon the mutual movements of heavenly bodies in our solar system.

For this reason, it is absurd to imagine that the six days of creation in the first chapter of Genesis designate 24-hour periods, because no sun or moon existed before the fourth 'day.'

By the same token, Ron Hubbard's idea about human beings beginning to incarnate seventy-six trillion years ago in a different galaxy, is a totally absurd contradiction in terms by any standard of logic or common sense. Our measument of time is completely inapplicable beyond the surface of this planet.

At the next space-operatic apocalypse 'only' seventy-five million years ago, the evil galactical emperor Xenu transported his freeze-dried victims to Earth in space vehicles resembling commercial DC-9 airplanes, whereupon he thawed them by throwing them into fiery vulcanoes and blasting them with hydrogen bombs. When the tough and resilient Thetans had survived this, Xenu proceeded to fill their souls with all kinds of implants, which in Ron's terminology is a euphemism for false and illusory images and concepts.

The most pernicious and damaging of all implants was Christianity. Xenu had incarnated as the obnoxious pervert Jesus Christ in order to enslave humanity even more with his preposterous religion. For this reason, the Church of Scientology has always endeavored to win as many converts from Christianity as possible. In Scientology, Christ is Zenu the seducer, enslaver, and liar, and Buddha-Antichrist-Lucifer-Source-Lafayette-Ronald-Hubbard is the liberator, the savior, and 'the best friend man ever had.' It's as simple as that.

Steve Fishman was made to believe while in trance that he had sired Jesus by masturbating in such a way that his sperm floated into Mary's womb while she was taking a bath. Having a pregnant, unwed damsel in the family was so scandalous that the proper solution was to blame the insemination on God. In this way, the Church of Scientology had solved the mystery of the Immaculate Conception

http://www.uncletaz.com/hubbstein.html
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OT4FREE,

Much depends on what you consider Satanic. Some people consider it just an obsession with evil. Thus anyone with criminal intent would fall into their understanding of what Satanism is; some sadists, masochists, and faschsts as well. When your definition of Satanism is only what you feel safe saying in a group it can be a very narrow thing. My definition is far broader.

Satanism is a complete fear or terror of other people getting better. It is an inabiltity to accept people as they are, and the harassment of people to bring them down to your level. It is a deliberate attempt to make others feel as frightened as you are of others getting better. It is the rationalization and protection of these deliberate fears In Scientology it is called Covert Hostility, Psychologists call it passive aggression, but Satanism would be a chronic state of these.

People become passive aggressive for different reasons and in different situations. Some passive aggression has to be forgiven because some people are far stronger and more powerful than others and it may be your only means of defence. I guarantee you that someone with Multiple Scerolsis, which is a wasting disease of the muscles is not going to bring some muscle builder to tears and get him to stop unethically tormenting someone. A victim of multiple sclerosis would have to work behind the scenes to effect change. This is forgivable. It is when you do have the strength and power to effect change in people and choose to deliberately go behind people's backs with lies or innuendo that your passive aggression is unforgivable. When you defend this kind of passive aggression successfully and to spite the psychologically fit that is when you become Satanic. By my definition there are a lot more Satanists than not.

Satanism is also the attacking of people mentally superior to you. I don't mean people that have more intellect, I mean people that have better judgment and higher ethics. If you listen to someone's lies to determine the truth, your opinion and judgment should matter more than those that don't. A Satanist would actively be involved in eradicating this, and probably rationalizing it with some lie or lies. For example a mentally ill Christian minsiter that acts like someone's judgment is wrong simply because the person is a Jew, homosexual, or something out of the ordinary. There is no excuse for this behavior, but some act like the Bible says it's alright for them to do it.

Well lets have some fun here. Lets just see how together authors of the Bible were:

Levitivus 12:2 This passage sets an incarceration for 66 days followed by the ritual slaughter of a lamb for women baring female children! Does that sound like something pyschologically fit to do?

Leviticus 15:18. Establishes that it is a sin to orgasm during sex.

Leviticus 15:19 A woman in mensus isn't supposed to be touched for 7 days!

Leviticus 19:19 It is against the law to breed different kinds of cattle, plant more than one kind of seed, or wear cloth of more than one fabric. Do you realize that we could all be sent to Hell for wearing cotton twills?

Here's one that supports Hitler:
Deut 12:29 "Annihilate the nations you are possessing and make your home in their country.

Isaiah 66:15 Announces a death penalty for eating pork!

Lev 21:9 Anyone having sex outside of marriage is to be burned at the stake! Whores are to be put to the stake.

I could go on and on, but the point here is that some people use the Bible as an excuse for not being of sound judgment, and that is Satanic.

In the Klingon Bible, in the chapter of Ambassador Yak and in the first passage it says: "This is what God would have thee know: In heaven the higher psychology always wins! Anyone not using psychology in his dealings with man is not fit for heaven and anything not deamed psychologically fit is not fit for man, and certainly not fit for his Bible. Anyone contesting these findings is Satanic."

Now I could go on and on with Biblical passages that really ought to be in the Bible, but aren't, but according to their authorities adding or taking anything away from the Bible is Satanic, this no matter how pyscholigcally fit it is to do. No wonder athiesm is so prolific. With Christianity in this state who needs Satanism?

But wasn't it appropriate to put all that in the Klingon Bible? It's just one passage, in one chapter, and it's the only passage in that chapter, and the only chapter in that testament. Why would you need more? The more of your shit you have togther the closer to God you naturally are!

Why is the church of Scientology Satanic? Because they expel and intimidate people that are high toned. They harbor secrets from the high toned and protect people that harbor ill will and postulates against them. They deny justice and have an attitude of only might making right, which is unfortunate since they don't really have any power of their own. They empower passive aggressives and defend this empowerment. They have done nothing to empower the high toned or ethical to the degree they should be. They have left the high toned at the mercy of forces they aren't supposed to be at the mercy of. They lie and cheat the public of real mental health. They dismiss the use of Psychology although in a veiled way this is what they claim to be selling. People that disagree with them are tortured for their beliefs, again no matter how fit they are. They deliberately run secret campaigns against their percieved enemies, and the people doing the perceiving are not only of questionable ethics, but far from being psychologically fit. They create psychosocial monsters with power to do their bidding and often go way beyond the bounds of normal Satanism to establish these. This makes them a danger to this and any other society and as long as I see nothing but a crock of shit coming out of them I'm going to make them eat it.

By the way OT4FREE, your aren't OT4FREE, you just haven't discovered the price on it yet.

Merlin,

You are giving out secrets.

For those that believe,

I have met Aleister in Spirit on at least 3 occasions and he did identify himself as Satan once by the way. It was very dramatic as I recall he said something like: "For I am Satan and I will it." I have since learned there was an ulterior reason for him to do this. One he had to keep secret, as he was not the only power involved in this.

I also witnessed an argument between him and Hubbard in Spirit, one Hubbard miserably lost, but according to information I've recently received he never gave up on this fight with Aleister and has actively sought to replace him. In other words Hubbard was actively trying to become Satan in Crowley's place. A curious problem since if Crowley wasn't self determinedly Satan, neither could Hubbard be. Further, if Hubbard ever achieved his goal he would unwittingly send himself to Hell in the process. I know that Crowley has paid a very high price to protect all of us from Hubbard, and being the bitch I am I will demand he be compensated. Spirit has grown angry with Hubbard recently and many are demanding explanations for his behavior which he can't provide. It appears you have to have brains to be Satan on this planet.

I am not asking for anyone to believe what I just said, I know how indignant people can be when confronted with what they view a kind of strange fantasy or possible lie. I invite you to think what you will and I will say no more on this matter until I receive more information, and even then I may not say anything.

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"The Los Angeles Times", 3/19/2000


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Sunday, March 19, 2000


Life as Satanist Propelled Rocketeer


By CECILIA RASMUSSEN


I height [sic] Don Quixote, I live on peyote,
marijuana, morphine and cocaine.
I never knew sadness, but only a madness that
burns at the heart and the brain.
--John Whiteside Parsons


* * *


He was an unorthodox genius, a poet and rocket scientist who helped
give birth to an institution that would become mankind's window on the
universe.


He was also a devotee of the black arts, a sci-fi junkie and host of
backyard orgies on Pasadena's stately Millionaires' Row.


John "Jack" Whiteside Parsons, a founder of the legendary Jet
Propulsion Laboratory and a maverick visionary honored with a moon
crater bearing his name, gave no early hint of the inner stirrings
that propelled him to worship the devil and lead an extraordinary
double life: respected scientist by day, dedicated occultist by night.


Over a little more than a decade, the tall and vainly handsome Parsons
skillfully twinned his two existences as rocketeer and antichrist
leader of the occult Ordo Templi Orientis.


His mysterious death in an explosion in 1952 left many wondering
whether Parsons was a victim of murder or suicide--or simply of an
accident at his own momentarily careless hands.


Born Marvel Whiteside Parsons in 1914, he was a mama's boy who hated
authority and detested social mores. He was reared by his aging,
wealthy grandparents and his mother, Ruth. Embittered by her
adulterous husband, also named Marvel, who abandoned his family, Ruth
began calling her son John.


Young John found his companions in poetry, which he read the way other
boys read comic books. He also gulped down the space and sci-fi
fantasies of Jules Verne. He and his childhood pal, the mechanically
gifted Ed Forman, tinkered with black-powder rockets and pocked their
backyards with craters.


Parsons was at USC when word of Caltech graduate student Frank
Malina's project on rocket propulsion and high-altitude rockets
reached him and Forman. The young duo brazenly offered to help. Even
though neither youth had a degree, Theodore von Karman, the director
of Caltech's Guggenheim Aeronautical Laboratory and one of the world's
leading scientists, took them up on their offer.


Unencumbered by academic knowledge, Parsons was a cookbook chemist
obsessed with things that go bang, while Forman helped turn designs
into hardware. On Halloween 1936, the rocketeers dug trenches and
piled up sandbags in the Arroyo Seco and attempted to test a rocket
motor they had built. Fueled with a brew of gaseous oxygen and methyl
alcohol, the motor burned for three seconds.


This inauspicious beginning marked the start of rocketry in California
at a time when America still saw space exploration as pulp fiction.
The test site in the Arroyo Seco later became JPL.


Von Karman allocated campus lab space to the rocketry project. But
after two lab explosions, the group--by then dubbed the "Suicide
Squad"--was kicked off campus and headed back to the Arroyo Seco.


Parsons' new fame as Caltech's best explosives expert took him to the
courtroom as an expert witness. In 1938, he testified against Los
Angeles Police Department Lt. Earl Kynette, a mayoral crony accused in
the car bombing of an ex-LAPD detective-turned-private eye.


Parsons earned his bread and butter working on a jet-assisted takeoff
unit that developed into a solid-fuel rocket that would help win World
War II.


Early in the war, in 1942, Parsons and his wife, Helen, moved into an
aging Pasadena mansion. The house on South Orange Grove Boulevard was
next door to the former estate of beer baron Adolphus Busch with its
famous gardens.


But Millionaires' Row had never seen anything like Parsons and his
friends.


Parsons converted the rooms into 19 apartments, and invited in an odd
mix of Bohemian artists, writers, scientists and occultists. The
residents mockingly named the place "the Parsonage," for it was
anything but.


Before dropping out of USC, the poetry-loving Parsons had cultivated
an interest in the writings of Aleister Crowley, the English sorcerer
and Satanist who called himself "Beast 666" and "the wickedest man in
the world."


Soon the house on South Orange Grove was a laboratory of another
sort--for black magic.


In 1944, Parsons resigned from JPL in favor of whizzing through time
and space via peyote, mescaline, marijuana, opiates and hallucinogens.


Soon, the marriage began to unravel. Helen became pregnant by another
member of the Parsonage circle, and Parsons took up with Helen's
beautiful 18-year-old sister, Sara Northrup, before divorcing Helen.


Mutual curiosity about the mind's power led Parsons into a friendship
in 1946 with L. Ron Hubbard, the future founder of Scientology.
Hubbard moved into the house and later married Sara, Parsons' lover
and sister-in-law, before divorcing his first wife.


According to "Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons," a
new book by John Carter (a pseudonym), Hubbard chanted incantations
while Parsons and his new lover, Marjorie Cameron, tried to produce a
"moon child," a "magical child" with superior intellect and powers
whose birth would occur on the astral plane, not the physical one.


The ceremony was to span 12 consecutive nights. But when rituals
called for a naked pregnant woman to jump nine times through fire to
ensure a safe delivery, the neighbors began protesting. The police
looked into the matter, but nothing came of their investigation.


Parsons and Hubbard, who had united to take on Christianity, fell out
over more trivial matters. Carter writes that the two argued over a
sailboat venture that ended in a court dispute.


Disillusioned with Hubbard, Parsons resigned from the Ordo Templi
Orientis, married Cameron and began exploring the unknown on his own.
After one reputed out-of-body experience, he acquired the name
"Belarion Armiluss Al Dajjal, antichrist."



But even the antichrist had to eat. Low on funds, he worked for
various local aviation companies, including Hughes Aircraft, and
bootlegged nitroglycerin.


It was after he left the mansion and moved with his wife into a rented
room over the garage at the Cruikshank Estate on South Orange Grove
that life began to unravel.


The FBI was investigating him on suspicion of espionage, consorting
with communists, including some allegedly at Caltech, and cult
activities; the scrutiny cost Parsons his government security
clearance.


In June 1952, while his wife shopped for groceries for a planned
vacation to Mexico, Parsons mixed chemicals from his arsenal of
illegal explosives.


Police reports say the explosives expert dropped the concoction of
fulminate of mercury. A deadly blast that could be felt a mile away
ripped through Parsons' garage lab, blowing off his right arm,
breaking his other arm and both legs, and leaving a gaping hole in his
jaw.


He died 45 minutes later. When his mother heard the news, she joined
him in death, gulping down a bottle of sleeping pills.


Authorities concluded that his death was a drug-induced accident or
suicide. His wife and others believed he was killed by the recently
paroled Kynette, whom Parsons had helped put in prison.


To this day, there's a joke in the aerospace community that JPL stands
for "Jack Parsons' Laboratory" or "Jack Parsons Lives." The Crater
Parsons, named in his honor, happens to be on the moon's dark side.


Copyright 2000 Los Angeles Times


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Book 775 page 85

ORDER APPOINTING RECEIVER


IN THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR THE 11th JUDICIAL DISTRICT OF FLORIDA, IN AND FOR DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA IN CHANCERY No. 101634

John W. Parsons

vs

Lafayette Ron Hubbard and
Sara Elizabeth Northrup

This cause coming to be heard upon the Bill of Complaint as well as the plaintiff's prayer for a receiever without otice , and from an examination of the Bill of Complaint and the proof submitted the Court is of the opinion that a receiever ought to be appointed herein, and that receiver ought to be appointed without notice of the defendent.
IT IS, THEREFORE, CONSIDERED, ORDERED, ADJUDGED and DECREED: That W. F. Reinhardt be, and he is hereby appointed Receiver in this cause, and said receiever is hereby directed and empowered and commanded to immediately take into physical possession the following:

1. The funds on deposit in the name of Lafayette Ron Hubbard, and, or, Sara Elizabeth Northrup, and, or, Allied Enterprises, or Allied Enterprises, a partnership or co-partnership, in any bank or trust company within the jurisdiction of this court.

2. Any property, personal or real, found in the possession of the defendants herein within the jurisdiction of this court.

3. Any property, either personal or real, which the defendants may own jointly or severally, found within the jurisdiction of this court

4. The yachts herinafter described and the property contained

BOOK 775 page 86

in said yachts, and on board said yachts, whether same be monies, securities, furnishings, luxuries or otherwise as follows:
a. That certain schooner, "Harpoon", now located at Howard Bond's Yacht Harbor, County Causeway, Miami, Dade County, Florida, according to best informtion of the plaintiff.
b. That certain auxiliary schooner, "Blue Water, II", location unknown, but believed to be within the jurisdiction of the this Court.
c. That cerain yacht, "Diane", location unknown, but believed to be within the jurisdiction of this court.
IT IS FURTHER CONSIDERED, ORDERED, ADJUDGED and DECREED:
That the Receiver be, and he is hereby required to enter into a Receiver's Bond, conditinal upon his faithful performance of his duties herein the sum of $1,000 by 5p.m. July 2, 1946.
DONE AND ORDERED
In chambers at Miami, Florida, on this 1st day of July, 1946.
Stanley Wisebridge (spelling of last name not sure )
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As many of you know, LRH was a pal and protege of Jack Parson, noted
rocket scientist and occultist. In 1950, after the two parted ways,
Parsons wrote a series of essays collected in a book entitled "Freedom Is A
Two Edged Sword". While not specifically about Scientology, they do fit in
quite nicely...


"The plutocrat, the demagogue and the shyster thrive in the carcass of a
system designed to make men free." (p23)


"If such groups limited folly to their own believers, they would be
within their rights. Man has the right to any personal stupidity, no
matter how monsterous it may seem. But this is not their principle
concern. They seek to impose this nonsense on everybody, by every means of
legal, moral, and economic domination and intimidation in their control."
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Exchange with spiritual entities is hardwired into the human brain.
BB
Don't neccesarily agree with all the above.

Can you explain more how relations with spirits needs hard wiring?

Humans are not spiritual in nature?

As you believe in spiritual entities, why do you mock SCN upper levels?


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essays on scientology

Hubbard and Aleister Crowley
Jeff Jacobsen

Hubbard had clear connections to the occult. Even in the first publication of dianetics in "Astounding Science Fiction", Hubbard in explaining how he did his "research" into what the mind was doing, says he used "automatic writing, speaking and clairvoyance" (1) to discover what the mind's memory banks were doing. Automatic writing is an occult method of communicating with the spirit world, although psychologists consider its products to arise from subconscious thoughts of the writer. Whichever is correct, it is hardly a method used by competent scientific researchers.

Hubbard's connection to the occultist Aleister Crowley is quite clear and noteworthy. Crowley called himself the Anti-Christ, the Beast of Revelations, and 666. Russell Miller has adequately chronicled Hubbard's connection in 1945 to John W. Parsons, who headed Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis chapter in Los Angeles. (2) Hubbard was an active member in this group for several months, and first met his second wife there. The Church of Scientology claims that Hubbard was actually infiltrating this group in order to break it up, but the following should suffice to dismiss this claim.

In the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures taped in 1952, Hubbard discusses occult magic of the middle ages, and recommends a current book - "it's fascinating work in itself, and that's work written by Aleister Crowley, the late Aleister Crowley, my very good friend." (3) The book recommended was The Master Therion, (published in London in 1929) later re-released as Magick in Theory and Practise. L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. asserts that during the time when the Philadelphia course was given his father would read Crowley's works "in preparation for the next day's lecture..." (4)

There are interesting similarities between Crowley's writings and the teachings of Hubbard. Dianetics' Time Track, in which every incident in a person's life is chronologically recorded in full in the mind, is quite similar to Crowley's Magical Memory. The Magical Memory is developed over time until "memories of childhood reawaken" (5) which were previously forgotten, and memories of previous incarnations are recalled as well. Hubbard gives examples in the Philadelphia Doctorate Course of several people remembering lives earlier on earth, some up to a million years ago. The similarity between the Magical Memory and Time Track, then, is that they both can recall every past incident in a person's life, they both can recall incidents from past lives, and they both must be developed by certain techniques in order to make use of them.

Both Hubbard and Crowley consider it important to have the person recall his or her birth. "Having allowed the mind to return for some hundred times to the hour of birth, it should be encouraged to endeavour to penetrate beyond that period" (6) (Crowley). "After twenty runs through birth, the patient experienced a recession of all somatics and 'unconsciousness' and aberrative content." "Thus there was no inhibition about looking earlier than birth for what Dianetics had begun to call basic-basic" (7) (Hubbard).

Both Hubbard and Crowley are avowedly anti-psychiatry. "Official psychoanalysis is therefore committed to upholding a fraud... psychoanalysts have misinterpreted life, and announced the absurdity that every human being is essentially an anti-social, criminal, and insane animal" 8 (Crowley). Hubbard considered that psychiatry controlled most of society and was struggling to create their own 1984 world. (9)

Hubbard (10) and Crowley both posit the ability of the person to leave his or her body at times. Crowley states that the way to learn to leave your body is to mock up a body like your own in front of your physical body. Eventually you will learn to leave your physical body with your "astral body" and travel and view at will without physical restrictions. (11) Hubbard teaches the same, and his method of "exteriorization" is to tell the person to "have preclear mock up own body" (12), which will send the person outside his body.

Both Crowley (13) and Hubbard (14) use an equilateral triangle pointing up in a circle as one of their group's symbols. Both use Volume 0 instead of Volume 1 to begin enumerating their works. One could go on for quite some time listing the similarities between Crowley's and Hubbard's theories and writings, but for more the reader is encouraged to look for him or herself.

In Crowley's Organization are several grade levels. To reach the Grade of Adeptus Exemptus "The Adept must prepare and publish a thesis setting forth His knowledge of the Universe, and his proposals for its welfare and progress. He will thus be known as the leader of a school of thought." (15) It is apparent that Hubbard has fulfilled this requirement.


Gnosticism

First, an explanation of what gnosticism is. It is an old religious philosophy with Platonic roots. Basically, gnostics believe that we as humans are "outsiders" to this material universe. Our immortal godlike souls were trapped here in a body by evil forces, and we are reincarnated continually, while our true spiritual identities are clouded from our memory. It is our task to discover the hidden knowledge, or gnosis, that will allow us to escape this evil material world of illusion and return to our rightful place. We keep reincarnating until we learn how to escape.

The world seems to be 'the epitome of evil'. Because it is alien to their true nature, human beings must renounce it and flee from it in order to be able to return to their heavenly home. To achieve this aim they must possess Gnosis, be reborn in their true nature, and be baptized in the cup of knowledge into which the divine intellect has been poured. (16)

Salvation begins with a messenger from beyond bringing the necessary knowledge to mankind, but this knowledge is given only to those deemed worthy, and even then one must follow certain steps in order to arrive at the ultimate Truths. The individual must struggle to earn and then incorporate the secret knowledge needed to return to his rightful place.

There is a need for someone to bring this gnosis or knowledge to mankind:

It follows that this divine reality cannot be known through the ordinary faculties of the mind. Illumination, revelation, the intervention of a celestial mediator is required. He descends from above to call the Gnostic, to rouse him from earthly sleep and drunkenness, to take him back to his divine homeland. (17)

While on this earth, man is plagued by many difficulties which lessen his real abilities and being. One problem to us all is that within each of our bodies is a plethora of spirits or souls, causing us harm:

A hierarchy of demons, servile and ready, is continually at work in everyone's body, transformed into a remorseless inferno in miniature. 18

Mankind is also cursed with forgetfulness of his true home and true composition, being blinded by this material world.

As with Christianity today, there were many sects of gnosticism. The most famous gnostics were those that took the basic ideas of Christianity and mixed them into their own otherworldly theories. One of the most dangerous enemies of the early church were the Christian gnostic movement, for it greatly distorted the essential message of Christ and his followers while using similar terminology. The early church fathers, such as Clement of Alexandria and Tertullian, spent much of their time speaking out against gnosticism.

Scientology, however, embraces gnosticism. Its doctrines are gnostic, and it uses gnostic writings to support its own ideas. For example, "Advance!" issue 93 has an article entitled "The Surprising Christian Tradition of Reincarnation", which relies heavily on gnostic writings such as the Pistis Sophia (the best known of the surviving gnostic writings) to support its viewpoint. Scientology is clearly gnostic, by its own admission and by the similarities to its own and gnostic teachings. Once again, ideas Hubbard declares to be new and discovered by him, are shown to be derived from old and widespread teachings in existence long before he came along.

Hubbard claimed to be the sole source of the hidden knowledge needed to escape these earthly bonds. "The mystery of this universe... has been, as far as its track is concerned, completely occluded. No one has ever been able to make any breakthrough and come off with it and know what happened... I finally was able to make a breakthrough which brought people through the zone safely." (19)

When Hubbard died in 1986, it was announced that he had left this "MEST" (the acronym of Matter, Space, Time, and Energy) universe to continue his work and research. In other words, he had obtained the gnosis needed to break the bonds to this material illusory plane and travel to other worlds or dimensions at will. (20)

Hubbard was the sole source for the technology Scientologists need to break free from this MEST universe. "Nobody else - NOBODY - ever discovered it." (21) He is thus the gnostic "celestial mediator" empowered to bring mankind the knowledge needed to bring us back home.

Another obvious connection to gnosticism is in the upper level of training known as Operating Thetan III, or "The Wall of Fire." It is at this level that the Scientologist first is taught that many of his problems are caused by other souls attached to his soul. These souls are detached and sent on their way through the course training. The goal of OTIII is to rid the individual of hundreds of "Body Thetans", or other souls attached to the main dominant individual. No one is even allowed to see OTIII material until he has completed the previous courses leading up to OTIII. (21) This material is carefully guarded and treated as a great important mystery to be imparted only to those proven worthy.

These great "discoveries" of Hubbard actually were taught as far back as 300 AD:

"For many spirits dwell in it [the body] and do not permit it to be pure; each of them brings to fruition its own works, and they treat it abusively by means of unseemly desires. To me it seems that the heart suffers in much the same way as an inn: for it has holes and trenches dug in it and is often filled with filth by men who live there licentiously and have no regard for the place because it belongs to another." (22)

Although this sounds almost identical to ideas in OTIII, it is in fact a quote from Valentinus, one of the most famous early Christian gnostics, writing around 300 AD. Valentinus taught that there was more than one spirit within an individual, causing difficulties for the "host" or main soul of the individual. The gnostic Basilides also taught in a similar vein that man "preserves the appearance of a wooden horse, according to the poetic myth, embracing as he does in one body a host of such different spirits." (23)

The above is similar to the New Testament idea of demons in that demons are "outsiders" from the main inhabitant of the body and are problematic to the host. Gnostics, however, seem to feel that it is the normal human condition to have these other souls, whereas Christianity considers this a rare aberration.

Another gnostic idea, that this is a world of illusion, is in Scientology doctrine as well. Scientology teaches that this universe we live in is the MEST (matter, energy, space, time) universe that exists solely because the non-MEST beings known as thetans decided to agree to bind themselves to the rules and laws that we see operating here, such as gravity and the speed of light: "a Thetan may postulate a material or mental condition and subsequently consider that he cannot escape that condition, and succumb to the resulting illusion of entrapment within it." (24) Theta beings (Hubbard's name for the soul) lived here on earth by dwelling in a human body. Humans, that is, the living body, existed without the theta being before the thetans were trapped in this material universe. Theta beings are "trapped" into human bodies by trickery and forget their true nature:

Your preclear was basically good, happy, ethical and aesthetic before the contagion of the MEST universe got him. Then, still a thetan, he wasn't very good but he was still trusting and ethical. Finally, when he had a body - well, look around. (25)

Scientology then shares the gnostic idea that mankind is separate from the physical universe and is trapped against his will here.

As gnosticism is a secret knowledge, Scientology hides its upper level or OT level teachings under a strict veil of secrecy. When I visited the Los Angeles "Big Blue Building" of Scientology, I was invited to listen to some OT VIII's speak via satellite from the "Free Winds" ship where OT VIII is exclusively taught. An OT VII on board said that the OT VIII material is in a locked case, and the only way to open the case is to enter a certain locked room and pass the case under a laser beam there. Scientologists are taught that if they hear the teachings of OT III before they have taken the necessary previous courses, they will catch pneumonia and die.

Early gnostics also used various methods to hide their teachings. The initiations were so secret that today we can only piece parts of them together. The writings of many gnostics were purposely vague and incomprehensible, so only the initiated could understand them.

The goal of dianetics and Scientology is to return the Theta being to its inherent abilities (i.e. freeing it from the laws of this universe) and remove it from its need to have a body. The sole source for accomplishing this is the technology of L. Ron Hubbard, celestial mediator of the gnostic Church of Scientology.

Parenthetically, one can clearly see from above that these teachings clash with Christian thinking today. While Scientologists claim that "in Scientology there is no attempt to change another's beliefs or to persuade the person away from his own religious practice," (26) in reality there is an incongruity of beliefs that must fall either to the side of Scientology or Christianity. They are not compatible. Scientology is gnostic, which has been seen from almost the beginning of Christianity to be a great threat to correct Christian dogma (see the Ante-Nicene Fathers writings, for example), and it requires the belief in reincarnation, which is foreign to Christian thought. Elsewhere I write about Hubbard's connection to Aleister Crowley, "my very good friend," who called himself the anti-christ and taught accordingly. Hubbard generously borrowed ideas from and admired the writings of Crowley. Obviously, Scientology's claim that their ideas will not interfere with a person's Christian beliefs is absurd.


L Ron Hubbard's son said, in his 1983 interview with Penthouse Magazine:

"L Ron Hubbard Jr ( Ron DeWolf ): I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology --and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan."

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lermanet_com wrote:
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Book 775 page 85

ORDER APPOINTING RECEIVER


IN THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR THE 11th JUDICIAL DISTRICT OF FLORIDA, IN AND FOR DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA IN CHANCERY No. 101634

John W. Parsons

vs

Lafayette Ron Hubbard and
Sara Elizabeth Northrup

This cause coming to be heard upon the Bill of Complaint as well as the plaintiff's prayer for a receiever without otice , and from an examination of the Bill of Complaint and the proof submitted the Court is of the opinion that a receiever ought to be appointed herein, and that receiver ought to be appointed without notice of the defendent.
IT IS, THEREFORE, CONSIDERED, ORDERED, ADJUDGED and DECREED: That W. F. Reinhardt be, and he is hereby appointed Receiver in this cause, and said receiever is hereby directed and empowered and commanded to immediately take into physical possession the following:

1. The funds on deposit in the name of Lafayette Ron Hubbard, and, or, Sara Elizabeth Northrup, and, or, Allied Enterprises, or Allied Enterprises, a partnership or co-partnership, in any bank or trust company within the jurisdiction of this court.

2. Any property, personal or real, found in the possession of the defendants herein within the jurisdiction of this court.

3. Any property, either personal or real, which the defendants may own jointly or severally, found within the jurisdiction of this court

4. The yachts herinafter described and the property contained

BOOK 775 page 86

in said yachts, and on board said yachts, whether same be monies, securities, furnishings, luxuries or otherwise as follows:
a. That certain schooner, "Harpoon", now located at Howard Bond's Yacht Harbor, County Causeway, Miami, Dade County, Florida, according to best informtion of the plaintiff.
b. That certain auxiliary schooner, "Blue Water, II", location unknown, but believed to be within the jurisdiction of the this Court.
c. That cerain yacht, "Diane", location unknown, but believed to be within the jurisdiction of this court.
IT IS FURTHER CONSIDERED, ORDERED, ADJUDGED and DECREED:
That the Receiver be, and he is hereby required to enter into a Receiver's Bond, conditinal upon his faithful performance of his duties herein the sum of $1,000 by 5p.m. July 2, 1946.
DONE AND ORDERED
In chambers at Miami, Florida, on this 1st day of July, 1946.
Stanley Wisebridge (spelling of last name not sure )
Circuit Judge

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Exchange with spiritual entities is hardwired into the human brain.
BB
Don't neccesarily agree with all the above.

Can you explain more how relations with spirits needs hard wiring?

Humans are not spiritual in nature?

As you believe in spiritual entities, why do you mock SCN upper levels?


Q. As you believe in spiritual entities, why do you mock SCN upper levels?

A1: Because no OT powers have ever been proven to exist. It is a big claim to have power over MEST and yet never help humanity by using such powers, e.g. why couldn't OT's have steered Katrina away from New Orleans and back into the Atlantic?

A2: SCN charges $360K for claimed OT powers. Many OT's are heavily in debt, drive old cars, live in rented rooms, and work a "wog job" to make ends meet. Where are the finanicial benefits that should arise from being an OT?

A2: One can argue that LRH took the Magick "elementals" and renamed the elementals BT's. It seems that LRH simply has OT's attempt to get a telepathic line on spirits. In low level magickal or spiritual teaching one can easily contact low level spirits using a Ouija board. In low level training, one is taught this lower realm of spirits are liars and troublemakers. One of my theories is that OT's are using the meter as a Ouija board and contact lower BT's who will play along. One of my other theories is that OT's tap into the Akashic records and unknowingly access and read endless lifetimes.

A3. LRH never stated how many BT's are clustered to a person. This means that OT VII can go on forever. If a person is holographically the universe as some claim, then there can be no end of BT's.

A4. LRH claimed to be a scientist and claimed that SCN was a science. Yet OT auditing is not at all scientific. It is allegedly an intuitive telepathic auditing of BT's. LRH als failed to specify upper and lower limits on BT's and so auditing BT's is potentially endless.

Q.Can you explain more how relations with spirits needs hard wiring?
Humans are not spiritual in nature?

A1: I base my comments on the Eastern models which see the body as being composed of many nested bodies, i.e. the atheric, astral, physical, bodies, etc. In this model, each of the bodies has a different resonance level. Thus, the physical cannot contact the spiritual unless there is an interface. The brain would therefore have to be hardwired in order to interface to the astral body, the astral plane, as well as to the other bodies, planes, and spirits. The "silver cord" connects the body to the spirit. This is an ancient theory and yet sounds like a metaphysical fiber optic data link.

A2. The body dies at death and yet its stored memories that reside in neurons are released to the spirit. Otherwise, how can we recall past lives? Within the notion of "Maya" the body could be conceived of as being superimposed upon the spiritual body. Because enlightenment always involves deconstruction of that which keeps the being trapped, the process therefore requires accessing the obstructions and annihilating them. To "blow charge" would require the annihilation of the hard wiring that had kept the being falsely identified with a particular psychic obstruction. Unless the hard wiring is destroyed, there is still a circuit path. Conversely, there are optimal circuit paths a person moves through to, say, exit the body in astral projection. Start at the feet, relax up through the body until the attention is focused in the ajna chakra and then release one's spiritual self via the crown of the head. This is a familiar circuit for many practitioners.

There are definitely higher levels to be attained. If a FZer finds that the tech helps them get there, that's great. However, I object to the tech being universalized and claimed to be the only possible way to access higher levels. I could do a book, and people have written widely, on how LRH borrowed all of his ideas and originated very little material of his own. It is easy to reverse-engineer Scientology if one has studied the great spiritual traditons, magick, and Freud. LRH was well read, amalgamated many techniques, and renamed them in order to conceal their origins and copyright them for purposes of profit. IMO, Ron's central genius was in creating a fusion of Freudian psychotherapy, magick, and copyright laws.

Now a Q: for you BB: Could SCN exist without the E-Meter?

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I won't speak for BB, but here's my in put:

Most definitely....well....it's actually Dianetics, but that certainly

can be done without a Meter, and Dianetics is certainly part of

Scientology. Also, Self Analysis can be done without a meter,

and Assists...........all of which are part of Scientology.

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Hubbard's son put it best by saying his father didn't believe in Satan, he thought he was Satan. Hubbard also said that Scientology began the day Crowley died.

You can use Hubbard's association with Jack Parson's as evidence of where his head was at, but people like Merlin are going to dismiss it as guilt by association, therefore unadmissable here.

The only way to prove the religion itself is Satanic is to take into consideration its crimes of the past and present. Does it still intimidate the high toned and knowing? Behind a facade of trying to assist you does it attempt to pull you down instead? Are there passive aggressives in positions of authority down there? Are they making decisions regarding the welfare of higher toned and ethical people? Behind a facade of being an ethical institution do they empower people deliberately passive aggressive? These are the signs and symptoms of Satanism that indicate Scientology is diseased and must be avoided.


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One of my other theories is that OT's tap into the Akashic records and
unknowingly access and read endless lifetimes.
BB
Thats an interesting idea. I think there is something in this. Also they
may access previous knowledge.

As an aside, its not clear if you consider there is such a thing as an OT.


JS
A2. The body dies at death and yet its stored memories that reside
in neurons are released to the spirit. Otherwise, how can we recall past lives?
BB
Your theories on "hard wiring" are interesting but complicated. Spiritual beings
recording mental image pictures seems a better simpler answer to me.
JS
There are definitely higher levels to be attained. If a FZer finds that the tech
helps them get there, that's great.
BB
I may comment more on another thread. Its clear you are not a fundamentalist
Xtian. I'm a little puzzled that you seem happy for FZers to reach higher levels, and yet consider they are practicing "satanism" ( used pejoratively)

Also you seem to, I think, believe in reincarnation, ( some Xtians do) whilst
most believe they are spiritual in nature and go to heaven, which as far as I can see is end of story.
JS
However, I object to the tech being universalized and claimed to be the only possible way to access higher levels.
BB
I understand that objection. In fact agree with you here. So also did LRH
really. KSW series 4, SAFEGUARDING TECHNOLOGY

" Scientology is a WORKABLE system. This does not mean its the best possible system
or a perfect system."
JS
[snip]
Ron's central genius was in creating a fusion of Freudian psychotherapy, magick,.......
BB
I agree. If you read Crowley's "Naples Arrangement", itself based on ancient traditions
you see the seeds of the "Factors". Which makes such knowledge much more accessible.
LRH did acknowledge 50,000 years of thinking man in the early days, as referenced in early
editions of SOS.
JS
Now a Q: for you BB: Could SCN exist without the E-Meter?
BB
Tory has answered some of this. Also objectives aren't metered. Its a usefull tool.

Jung was the first to use a meter of sorts. Hubbard embraced this idea, then for a while
meters weren't used, and then they were made better and have been used since.


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Could SCN exist without the E-Meter?


I won't speak for BB, but here's my in put:

Most definitely....well....it's actually Dianetics, but that certainly

can be done without a Meter, and Dianetics is certainly part of

Scientology. Also, Self Analysis can be done without a meter,

and Assists...........all of which are part of Scientology.

Care for a session :?: :wink: :wink:

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Wasn't the Thetan discovered because of the meter? Thus not allowing Scientology to exist...


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Do you have a referrence for that? I know of none, but that doesn't mean anything. There's tons I am still learning. BB? Have you heard of that?

I believe he refers to "thetan" with:

"Thetan, Mind and Body". The thetan is the spirit, in Hubbard's terms.

"Thus not allowing Scientology to exist"? What do you mean there?

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