LRH's Admissions/Affirmations

RIPODB · **Joined:** Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:04 pm **Posts:** 1484

I found the following Crowley "sacred scripture" on the net today that explains El Rum Hubturd's Guardian figure a bit more. As Gladiator suspected, the Guardian comes directly from OTO, but I would still posit that LRH's Guardian was much more real to him due to his obvious mental problems already discussed in this thread. I read some of Crowley's stuff for an hour today and it was even more tedious than reading LRH or Captain Bill! He writes like he's trying to imitate the King James Bible:

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Here now is another Formula of Power, good to invoke any Being to manifest in thyself. First, invoke him by the Power of all thy Spells and conjurations, with Mind concentrated and Will vehement, toward him, as I have written in many Books. But because thou are NEMO, thou mayst safely invoke him, no matter of what Nature, within thy Circle. Now then do thou confer on him as a Guerdon of his Obedience the Dignity of a Soul seeking Incarnation, and so precede to consecrate thine Act by performing the Mass of the Holy Ghost. Then shall that Spirit make himself Body from those Elements, and thou partaking thereof makest thine own Body his Machinery of Manifestation, and thus mayst thou work with any Spirit soever; yet this shall serve thee most in common Life. Also he Qualities are well defined in the Cards of the Tarot, so hat thou hast a clear-cut Means of developing thy Powers according to the Needs of the Time. But learn also this, to work constantly under the Guidance of thine Holy Guardian Angel, so that thy Workings be alway in Harmony and Accord with thy true Will.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aleph_4.htm

Frank Amarto Snr · **Joined:** Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:28 pm **Posts:** 70

RIP wrote:

He writes like he's trying to
imitate the King James Bible:

How would you know anything about the
King James Bible?

But more importantly, does he threaten people
in wheel chairs then threaten to piss on their face?

I don't remeber that bit from the KJV.

Fanboy The Great And... · **Posted:** Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:34 am

RIPODB: It was a way to make his work seem older and more authentic to couch it in that language - after all, he was trying to make it seem as though he'd discovered ancient secrets, not just made it up as he went along!

and I'm glad to see that trolling doesn't work here...

and my favorite quote?

"You are a magnificent writer who has thrilled millions"

....The fact that he'd have to lie to himself about that only shows how small his audience was... I mean, LRH was never mentioned in the same breath as Asimov or Heinlein or Clarke...

Fanboy The Great And... · **Posted:** Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:39 am

The one that I find, well, creepily contradictive is:

"You do not masturbate. Masturbation cannot harm you in any way but you would rather have women. Your penis and erotic centers are very sensitive to women. You are not afraid that someone will catch you masturbating. No one knows or ever will know. Such discovery would be harmless. You do not masturbate. Only women thrill you and very deeply."

OK. Presuming from a standpoint that these were written to help him conquer things that he saw as problems by putting those problems in words as a negative statement, we can guess that:

1) He masturbated frequently and was ashamed of it

2) Something other than women stimulated him to the point of masturbation.

Wow. These admissions are really, REALLY insane, eh?

caroline · **Posted:** Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:09 pm

Peter (Soderqvist1) made some interesting and helpful suggestions and comments about the Admissions in the thread Hubbard and Heinlein. I asked Gerry to respond.

Soderqvist1 wrote:

Soderqvist1: Caroline, I misunderstood the message!
I thought that Roadrunner was already in a debate regarding Hubbard’s admissions, and I wanted a link to it.

Gerry Armstrong wrote:

Roadrunner probably calls what it does debating, but it is ugly semantic and willfully regressed bullying. Nevertheless, if you are looking for threads on a.r.s. where RR has mentioned Hubbard's Admissions, there are dozens, and RR's posts in all those threads multiply by X just in the past couple of years. It’d be interesting, now you’ve made me think about it, to collect up RR's posts on Hubbard's Admissions and its willfully generated hatred for me.

Soderqvist1 wrote:

Btw we should start a project in order to verify how much did the whole court know about his affirmations, and how much of said affirmations can be verified by other sources, since both roadrunner and RJ at Marty‘s home site doubt its authenticity, and I believe that many Loyalists do.

Gerry Armstrong wrote:

The Court, if you mean the LA Superior Court Judge who tried the Scientology v. Armstrong case in 1984, knew -- that is read -- the totality of the Admissions.

If you mean Miscavige's “court,” those courtiers have the documents, and if it's important to Scientologists to have the handwritten original, they should demand it of their cult head.

RR just uses the Admissions as a vehicle for attacking me. This entity cannot but know the Admissions are Hubbard's, and that they provide valuable insight into his character and intentions. At one time RR wrote that the Admissions are damaging for Hubbard, and then RR apparently erased that admission.

RJ, I see, is a Loyalist attack agent à la Logan. Fascinating that Marty doesn't lift a syllable to clue these people in. Marty was, he admits, over cult litigation throughout the Scientology v. Armstrong case. He knows Hubbard's Admissions are real. Rinder the fact-checker knows they're real.

They both know that Hubbard was a big fat liar. They have embraced a man they know is a big fat liar, and have appeared to postulate the Admissions as Hubbard did, workable affirmations, rather than admissions of their source's failure, or the failure of the willfulness these documents admit that he practiced.

It would be impossible at this time to get Judge Breckenridge to say how much he knew about Hubbard's Admissions. But a good project to start, with an easily amazing result no matter what happens, would be to get the Loyalists to acknowledge the Admissions.

It's staggeringly lame the way they've dealt with the Admissions, in fact the whole Gerry Armstrong issue. That's not to say it isn't cruel, because cruelty is always present in Scientologists' treatment of SPs, even if the treatment is lame. The universal lameness and cruelty supports the conclusion that this is Loyalist Op Redux, but even continued lameness, I think, would be an astonishing result for such a project to document.

Regardless of the result, this would be an easily doable and free project. It would have total transparency as the Loyalists' acknowledgment would be sought publicly on the forums they habituate, and the results would be visible for all. In fact, everyone can participate and carry out their own projects to get the Loyalists to get honest about Hubbard's Admissions.

Soderqvist1 wrote:

Roadrunners name is Michel Snoeck, see photography on him here!

http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/introduction_of_site.html

Gerry Armstrong wrote:

I have seen no proof that RR is Snoeck. In fact, RR has essentially denied this.

RR, of course, is a notoriously willful liar and black PR merchant, whose victims are also Miscavige and Scientology's victims.

Other people have identified RR as an operative for Scientology, and this makes far more sense than the lone Dutch guy in Sweden story. It must be remembered that the shore story of the Loyalists Preredux was that Miscavige is a criminal and they wanted to get rid of him.

RR apparently was in one incarnation Spacetraveler, who wrote this:

Spacetraveler wrote:

"You see, take a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet in there (also easy). Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires some doingness), then go to him (take a plane, that's fastest), wait for him (at some place), pull your gun (does not require much musclepower), then aim (some will have problems with this), and finally pull the trigger..(keep your hand steady or you'll miss altogether).

Easy no?"

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/usenet/space-traveler.html

RR has stated a number of lies about me, significantly on this issue, that I wrote, or forged, Hubbard's Admissions. That is a statement of fact, and it has been RR's responsibility for years to support that asserted fact. RR has provided no support for this and other lies, and has refused to retract or correct them.

It is clear that this and other lies serve Scientology's purposes toward a most hated SP. It is beyond argument that these purposes or intentions are malevolent. RR has continued without cessation, and without any evidence of conscience, to attack me instead of telling the truth. In that, RR duplicates the Loyalists for whom I'm also a most hated person and from whom I also get attacks instead of the truth.

I welcome the opportunity to debate any Scientologist, from either organized or disorganized Scientology, on Hubbard's Admissions, on Hubbard, on Scientology, on SPs, on the SP doctrine, on Wogs, and on me. Unimaginably, I have never encountered a Scientologist who would debate these topics, or even communicate logically about them with me. To actually debate me, of course, would necessitate granting me credence, which Scientology policy and hierarchical control do not permit. Whether RR or other Scientologists becomes honest in their lifetime is out of my human hands.

Soderqvist1 wrote:

Soderqvist1: and I have talked with him on the internet here in Sweden before about Hubbard’s admissions and got him to swallow at least 2-3 phrases from it as can be seen here in his tabulations about said Admissions!

http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/papers-scientology/hubbard_vs_nwo1-b.html#

Gerry Armstrong wrote:

I cannot tell what phrases you got RR to swallow. This is of interest to me.

RR's refusal to swallow his lies and perversions had been a hallmark of its agenda and campaign for many years.

RR’s monstrous effort is riddled with false assertions, innuendos, and holes. I find it unbelievable that RR doesn't know what it's doing. I realize that some people think RR is ignorant or deranged, but it's clear to me that RR pretends ignorance, knows it's lying, and knowingly bullies Wogs for Scientology with infantile nastinesses.

Soderqvist1 wrote:

Soderqvist1: after I have talked to him, I began to investigate further about it, and to make long story short; the parties in the court and the judge has read said affirmations, and verified its handwritings by Hubbard, both the “Course 2” and “the Book” from the admissions is read into the court record. Click on the link to the curt and read more phrases from his affirmation which at least to me has proven it beyond reasonable doubt that “affirmation 2000 by Gerry Armstrong” is part of the record.

http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=msg&goto=12272&S=6b4b325f84c1024aa4cdce0d83d5e7dd&srch=brettstam#msg_12272

Gerry Armstrong wrote:

I appreciate that. If you came to that conclusion, why doesn't Roadrunner? The logical and simple explanation is that RR did come to the same conclusion, but continues to act as he acts despite his knowledge.

And that is Scientology in a nutshell: the desire and will to have a lie believed as true, and the persistence in that insane goal despite all the evidence otherwise and despite all the harm being done in that goal's pursuit.

Soderqvist1 wrote:

Soderqvist1: Both “Twelve against the Gods” which was Hubbard’s favorite book!
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=368149#p368149

Soderqvist1: or a CoS friendly home site if somebody doubts it was Hubbard’s favorite book!
http://www.erbzine.com/mag23/2344.html

Soderqvist1: and Robert Vaughn Young have pieces of supporting evidence!

Twelve against the Gods by William Bolitho chapter Casanova

Page: 48: A rationale for seduction, indeed is only to be attempted by sniggering old men like Ovid, though if it were based on the wisdom and practice of this maligned Casanova it might have the result of frightening the majority of amateur woman-hunters from the chase. His love for every one of the thousand was as real as any that lead to holy matrimony; only it did not last. So he escaped both alimony and the glue years. But his women were not cheated out of their sacred due, for he gave them everything he possessed, and his whole self, in one single payment.

Page 49: How many times he unmetaphorically beggared himself for the paramour of a week, how many times at the height of his fortune he threw himself without hesitation or regret down into the gutter for a new charmer; and without any thought of bargain, this for that. Let those envy his amours who can imitate him in this; and those who can add to it his real tenderness, that never forgot the name of one of his light of loves, or how beautiful she was, the irresistible riches of the talk of the man, the prestige of his shoulders, his neck and his eyes, dare to emulate him. As for his censors, only those have the right to damn him who are quite certain the promise of life-companionship of a man however poor and tedious outweighs all Casanova gave. The prime direction of Casanova’s adventure, therefore, is the forbidden world of women. In the rise of his trajectory his will is as single as Alexander’s.

Page 51: Casanova had learnt two Latin saws, which were to be for the rest of his life his gospel and his policy: Fata viam inveniunt. Volentem ducit, nolentem trahit. As we may say: Fate finds the way, and Life leads its lover, betrays its rebel. The one handed down from stoics through Epictetus and Seneca; the second a translation by Cicero of a line in the lost tragedy of Euripides. There is no better epitome of the purest tradition of adventure, with all the comfort of fatalism without its enervating effects; no better summary of the mystical doctrine of adventure. Casanova held to them like a Calvinist to his Bible, and repeating them to himself, set out on his next adventure in good spirits.

Admissions or Affirmations by L. Ron Hubbard

LRH: You have no fear if they conceive. What if they do? You do not care. Pour it into them and let fate decide.
The slipperier they are the more you enjoy it because it means their mucous is running madly with pleasure.

LRH: I returned to sea as navigator of a large ship and was subsequently selected for the Military Government School at Princeton whither I went in 1944-45 for three months. During my Princeton sojourn I was very tired and harrassed (sp?) and spent week-ends with a writer friend in Philadelphia. He almost forced me to sleep with his wife. Meanwhile I had a affair with a woman named Ferne. Somehow, perhaps because I had constantly wet feet and no sleep at Princeton, I contracted a staphloceus infection. I mistook it for gonnhorea and until I arrived at Monterey, believed my old illness had returned. I consulted a doctor there who reassured me.

http://www.lermanet.com/exit/hubbard-admissions-psychiatric-eval.html

THE HUBBARD ARCHIVES by Robert Vaughn Young

Let's start in late 1981, when I happened to acquire the archives that contained Hubbard's private papers. (These were the ones that Gerry Armstrong started.) The truly essential material came down to perhaps 15 linear feet of paper. Over the months, with nothing else to do, I had a chance to read private letters, papers and manuscripts (including the three, yes, three, versions of the infamous Excalibur, which has to be the most overblown piece of hype he EVER produced and, no, it has NOTHING to do with OT3), which also gave me the full uncensored view of this man. I read everything from love letters to (and from and about) his mistresses, his girlfriends (such as Fern, who gave him the clap, forcing him to secretly take sulfa), his private pornographic ramblings (he liked to draw penises and vaginas around the margins in red ink, which gave the page a grisly look), his black magic material, his letters to family, wives (in the early 1950s, while having mistress Barbara on the side and at the same time preaching about the dangers of illicit relationships), editors and even to himself, as journals.

There was one problem with what I read. It didn't match what we (collectively then, meaning the organization) were saying about Hubbard and what Hubbard, based on what he had say to say. When I tried to gently point this out, the Shinola hit the fan. It didn't matter that it was in Hubbard's own hand. It didn't match the story he put out so — straight out of "1984" — it didn't exist. (These documents were later confiscated and sealed away to make sure no staff see them but enough of us did — including a few still on staff (hi, guys!) — so it can be verified someday, if it comes to that. But that is another story.)

http://www.xenu-directory.net/accounts/youngr19980902.html#THE_HUBBARD_ARCHIVES

In his sig file, Soderqvist1 wrote:

A simple explanation with few explanation grounds is to prefer, except when you need to hide your flaws! - Peter Soderqvist

Gerry Armstrong wrote:

And in this case, the simple explanation for Roadrunner is that he knows, but is lying regardless.

Marty knows, but he's so far silent, although he lies about related things. He lets his underlings do the attacking on the Admissions issue.

Miscavige knows Hubbard's Admissions are real, but the cult has never made an official statement about them. Miscavige lets, or has, RR and the Loyalists do the attacking on the issue. Recently, of course, Miscavige momentarily dropped Ignore Tech for organized Scientology, and let loose Tommy Davis on me to The New Yorker. But usually, like Hubbard, Miscavige has arms-lengthed himself from his victims.

There have been various ops or entities out of Scientology who've been used to attack me on the Admissions issue over the years. See, e.g., this a.r.s. post right after I published the Admissions in March 2000.

The whole post is a prime view into the real Scientology ugliness, and I’m glad I saved it.

Ace of Clubs wrote:

Okay, Ger; wipe yerself off, fuck-face, and le's get down to bu'iness!

Now, Ger-Ger. I do not know how adequately to express myself on this next item. It has brung a tear to ol' Ace's eye, I have to admit. I feel like jest reachin' out to you, and givin' you such a big, warm, lingering Ace o' Clubs hug, and I would, but I'm afraid my flesh might begin to go grey and rot like yours, and I don't think I'm quite ready fer it. But it is the sentiment I feel in my leathery old heart fer them fine, FINE "Affirmations"--or "Admissions," if you prefer--that you have introduced to the greeeeeeeat body of historical literature. I pored over every lyin' fuckin' word that you posted to a.r.s. But that isn't what brought the tear to me eyes, Ger. It wuzn't what you posted, really. That jest made me go and puke out over the cinder-block door stoop into the bait bucket. No, Ger. Let me tell you what made the tears stream freely down me wrinkled, brown face. It wuz this Ger; it wuz when I sat down and shoved the jelly jars and toast crumbs aside on my Sears formica kitchen table, and, got me a piece of ancient, yellowed--like yer teeth--onion-skin paper (which NOBODY uses anymore fer anything), and got me a No. 2 pencil, and sharpened it with my penknife, and licked the point of it, and cogitated, and thunk, and pondered, and furrowed me brow, and thunk some more, until I could prepare a full and complete list of all the people you said could verify that these lies that you call "Affirmations" and "Admissions" actually came from the pen of L. Ron Hubbard, and not from one of yer suck-buddies over in CIA.

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/usenet/ars-ace-clubs-2000-03-29.html

I think it's becoming clear that Scientology has failed to suppress Hubbard's Admissions, and also failed to kill, or ruin utterly, the messenger.

Thinking Wogs are too many. Roadrunner's op is a total failure. The Loyalists' silence or lameness hasn't worked. And all Scientologists continue to face a future in which the Admissions and their meaning are acknowledged. And sooner or later they will be rendered meaningless, for they’re but reflective of the nothingness that Scientology doesn’t work. Something Else does, but Scientology doesn’t.

Blessedly, the Admissions in the meantime to many people have meant freedom from Scientology slavery and all that BS. And this is also why Scientology, a slave cult founded by a slaver, and Scientologists – the slave trade’s beneficiaries and their continuing slaves -- have acted so abominably about these documents.

It’s Scientology that’s at fault, not Scientologists. Some Scientologists are certainly at fault, and Scientology is not a defense for that fault. But Scientologists can stop being at fault just by stopping being Scientologists. Scientology can’t stop being at fault, because that’s its ideal, what it calls being at cause.

peter · **Posted:** Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:48 am

Soderqvist1: I have read Gerry’s Reply to me!
I have abstracted 5 items from it, which I believe is a faire summation!

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Armstrong: 1: I cannot tell what phrases you got RR to swallow. This is of interest to me.

Soderqvist1: it all started for me in the year 1997-1998 when I read Bent Corydon ’s Book; ‘L. Ron Hubbard Messiah or Madman?’ when three quotes from the affirmations where read from the Breckenridge case; “All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" And I came to the conclusions that he had a hidden agenda to conquer the world and install himself as its dictator. But I was surprised when I read his affirmation 2000 that he aimed to cure himself from bad self-esteem and his suicidal inclinations as pointed out by Senior Psychiatrist Ulf Brettstam in the beginning of his evaluation.

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Armstrong: 2 It would be impossible at this time to get Judge Breckenridge to say how much he knew about Hubbard's Admissions.

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HE COURT: Well, I read a number of documents and they can be construed in a variety of ways.

MR. LITT: Precisely.

THE COURT: And I don't know that you can conclude that they are not evidence of his own personal feelings and beliefs at that particular moment or past experiences or past feelings about the future, or they may be totally allegorical. There may be something he was attempting to set forth to program himself to attempt to overcome what he perceived maybe as deficiencies.
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/l ... 05-15.html

Soderqvist1: Michel Snoeck as Olberon in this forum deny here in Sweden that anything from said affirmations are read into the court record, but I cut and paste quotes from the record and he admitted that he was wrong. You can see the quotes he agrees can be found in the said proceedings.
http://forum.svt.se/forum/diskutera-pro ... yId=380326

Soderqvist1: but it can be seen on his home site that he doubt its authenticity and believe it is a forgery.

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4 I have seen no proof that RR is Snoeck. In fact, RR has essentially denied this.

Sodertqvist1: the wiseoldgoat Michel Snoeck claim he is Roadrunner here!
Where do he deny that he is Roadrunner?
http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/papers-scien ... 130-1.html

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5 RR apparently was in one incarnation Spacetraveler, who wrote this:

Soderqvist1: they seems to me to be two different persons, how do you know they are one and the same?

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3 Other people have identified RR as an operative for Scientology, and this makes far more sense than the lone Dutch guy in Sweden story.

Soderqvist1: he is a duped scientologist under Hubbard’s spell, no conspiracy!
As an endnote: Judge Breckenridge decision is correct!

sekh · **Posted:** Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:02 pm

RIPODB wrote:

Ting-a-ling, God damn, find a woman if you can.
If you can't find a woman, find a clean old man.
If you're ever in Gibraltar, take a flying fuck at Walter.
Can you do the double shuffle when your balls hang low?

Do your balls hang low? Do they swing to and fro?
Can you tie 'em in a knot? Can you tie 'em in a bow?
Can you throw 'em o'er your shoulder like a Continental soldier?
Can you do the double shuffle when your balls hang low?

Do your balls hang low? Do they swing to and fro?
Can you tie 'em in a knot? Can you tie 'em in a bow?
Do they make a lusty clamor when you hit them with a hammer?
Can you do the double shuffle when your balls hang low?

Do your balls hang low? Do they swing to and fro?
Can you tie 'em in a knot? Can you tie 'em in a bow?
Can you bounce 'em off the wall like an Indian rubber ball?
Can you do the double shuffle when your balls hang low?

Do your balls hang low? Do they swing to and fro?
Can you tie 'em in a knot? Can you tie 'em in a bow?
Do they have a hollow sound when you drag 'em on the ground?
Can you do the double shuffle when your balls hang low?

Do your balls hang low? Do they swing to and fro?
Can you tie 'em in a knot? Can you tie 'em in a bow?
Do they have a mellow tingle when you hit 'em with a shingle?
Can you do the double shuffle when your balls hang low?

Do your balls hang low? Do they swing to and fro?
Can you tie 'em in a knot? Can you tie 'em in a bow?
Do they have a salty taste when you wrap 'em 'round your waist?
Can you do the double shuffle when your balls hang low?

Do your balls hang low? Do they swing to and fro?
Can you tie 'em in a knot? Can you tie 'em in a bow?
Do they chime like a gong when you pull upon your dong?
Can you do the double shuffle when your balls hang low?

This is, by far, the funniest song I've seen in a long time. ROFLMHO :mrgreen:

Laughter is the best cure.

Apart from the fact that LRH and his balls gave inspiration to this little masterpiece, the story is a sad one. A sufferer of narcissistic personality disorder complicated by paranoid delusions (No, I don't believe he was schizophrenic, but he was absolutely as crazy as moonbats come) dabbles in black magic and ends upeven more crazy, with a touch of megalomania to spice up the mix. That, in itself, is a sad story.

Heartbreaking it gets when the ravings of this lunatic make a chosen few unbelievably rich and cause heartbreak and suffering, sometimes up to incarceration, bodily harm and death to thousands of innocent people.
There is nothing funny about that. It is time the abuse, committed in the name of this madman's rantings, stops.

Well, that's one thing we all agree about, isn't it?

Question remains; How can that noble purpose be achieved?
I don't know. Maybe that crazy song helps. It's hard to keep taking LHR seriously if you try to imagine those balls. :twisted:

Thanks for the good laugh, RIPODB! :onebounce:

peter · **Posted:** Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:15 pm

Soderqvist1: Garry and Caroline!
I post this in order make it more explicit that Olberon in Sweden in the forum linked to earlier where I am arguing with him and Senior Psychiatrist Ulf Brettstam is Michel Snoeck! He has been banned at Swedish Wikipedia!

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It is an interesting side note that one of these Administrators actually used his know-how of me being boycotted on the Swedish Wikipedia as an argument to support/promote to get me kicked on the English Wikipedia as well (this person responded on my ‘talk page’ on the English Wikipedia, consult here, external link, last checked 13 December 2007). It makes you serious wonder on what level of morality some people are actually living. Well, has any of them grown to be any wiser since then, I don't know, let's hope that they did ...
http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/papers-scien ... wikiagenda

FYI: Olberon already blocked at Swedish Wikipedia
User:Olberon has recently been blocked from using Swedish Wikipedia due to a number of attempts to distort articles related to scientology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... _Wikipedia

caroline · **Posted:** Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:50 pm

peter wrote:

Soderqvist1: I have read Gerry’s Reply to me!
I have abstracted 5 items from it, which I believe is a faire summation!

Quote:

Armstrong: 1: I cannot tell what phrases you got RR to swallow. This is of interest to me.

Soderqvist1: it all started for me in the year 1997-1998 when I read Bent Corydon ’s Book; ‘L. Ron Hubbard Messiah or Madman?’ when three quotes from the affirmations where read from the Breckenridge case; “All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" And I came to the conclusions that he had a hidden agenda to conquer the world and install himself as its dictator. But I was surprised when I read his affirmation 2000 that he aimed to cure himself from bad self-esteem and his suicidal inclinations as pointed out by Senior Psychiatrist Ulf Brettstam in the beginning of his evaluation.

Gerry wrote:

Even though Corydon sets off these words as if quoting, they aren’t, I believe, from the trial transcript. There are actual quotes from the trial in Messiah or Madman, which touch on the megalomania, the self-worth, and also Hubbard’s will to dishonesty. This is from the 1987 edition:

Quote:

Selected "affirmations" revealed at the Armstrong trial:

Gerry Armstrong (reading):
Your stomach trouble you used as an excuse to keep the Navy from punishing you. You are free from the Navy. You have no further reason to have a weak stomach.
Your ulcers are all well and never bother you. You can eat anything.
Your hip is a pose. You have a sound hip. It never hurts.
Your shoulder never hurts.
Your foot was an alibi. The injury is no longer needed. It is well. You
have perfect and lovely feet.
Your sinus trouble is nothing. It is not dangerous. It will vanish. The
common cold amuses you. You are protected from further illness. Your cat fever has vanished forever and will never return. You do not have malaria.
When you tell people you are ill, it has no effect on your health. And in Veterans Administration examinations you'll tell them how sick you are; you'll look sick when you take it; you'll return to health one hour after the examination and laugh at them.
No matter what lies you may tell others, they have no physical effect on you of any kind. You never injure your health by saying it is bad. You cannot lie to yourself....
Mr. Flynn: I'd be happy to have the whole document go into evidence.
Mr. Litt [Church attorney]: No, no, no. The words "by hypnosis"-
The Witness: This is (g), "That my eyes (which I used as an excuse to get out of school) are perfect and do not pain me ever."
Q. by Mr. Flynn: Now, were you able to date, Mr. Armstrong, when these documents were written by Mr. Hubbard?...
A. In the period of 1946-1947...

This is from the Admissions I posted in 2000:

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/ars/ars-2000-03-11.html wrote:

By hypnosis I must be convinced as follows:
[…]

(g) That my eyes (which I used as an excuse to get out of school) are perfect and do not pain me ever.

[…]

Your stomach trouble you used as an excuse to keep the Navy from punishing you. You are free of the Navy. You have no further reason to
have a weak stomach. Your ulcers are all well and never bother you.
You can eat anything.
Your hip is a pose. You have a sound hip. It never hurts. Your shoulder never hurts.
Your foot was an alibi. The injury is no longer needed. It is well.
You have perfect and lovely feet.
Your sinus trouble is nothing. It is not dangerous. It will vanish. A common cold amuses you. You are protected from further illness. Your
cat fever has vanished forever and will never return.
You do not have malaria. When you tell people you are ill it has no effect upon your health. In the Veterans examination you will tell
them how sick you are. You will look sick when you take it. You will return to health one hour after the examination and laugh at them.
No matter what lies you may tell others they have no physical effect on you of any kind. You never injure your health by saying it is bad.
You cannot lie to yourself.

And this is the section from the May 15, 1984 Scientology v. Armstrong trial transcript, from which Corydon took the quotes he used.

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/a1/rt-1984-05-15.html wrote:

MR. FLYNN: It is exhibit 500 quadruple D, for the record. And it is a handwritten note of Mr. Hubbard's with no number on the page.
THE COURT: All right.
MR. LITT: Is that the document that has at the beginning "course two"?
MR. FLYNN: Correct.
THE WITNESS: (reading:) "Your stomach trouble" --
MR. LITT: Obviously, we object to any reading. I just wanted to make it clear for the record.
THE COURT: I'll deem it that you are objecting to each of these.
Overruled so long as Mr. Flynn is continuing the line of what he has already told me he is going to do.
MR. FLYNN: I am limiting it to that. And I have shown it to Mr. Litt.
THE WITNESS: (Reading:)
"Your stomach trouble you used as an excuse to keep the Navy from punishing you. You are free of the Navy. You have no further reason to have a weak stomach.
"Your ulcers are all well and never bother you. You can eat anything.
"Your hip is a pose. You have a sound hip. It never hurts.
"Your shoulder never hurts.
"Your foot was an alibi. The injury is no longer needed. It is well. You have perfect and lovely feet.
"Your sinus trouble is nothing. It is not dangerous. It will vanish. The common cold amuses you. You are protected from further illness. Your cat fever has vanished forever and will never return. You do not have malaria.
"When you tell people you are ill, it has no effect upon your health. And in Veterans Administration examinations you'll tell them how sick you are; you'll look sick when you take it; you'll return to health one hour after the examination and laugh at them.
"No matter what lies you may tell others, they have no physical effect on you of any kind. You never injure your health by saying it is bad. You cannot lie to yourself."

Q On the exhibit 500 quadruple E page 18, subparagraph (g) --

MR. LITT: Your Honor, before that occurs, Mr. Flynn has chosen out a series -- what is a subsection (g) --

THE COURT: May I see it?

MR. LITT: -- from this document and at the top of the previous page are the words "by hypnosis I must be convinced as follows:" and then there are a series of subsection (a), (b) at cetera from which Mr. Flynn wishes to read subsection (g).

MR. FLYNN: I'd be happy to have the whole document go into evidence.

MR. LITT: No, no, no. The words "by hypnosis" --

THE COURT: If you want that read, it may be read.

"By hypnosis I must be convinced as follows:" and then skip to subparagraph (g).

MR. LITT: Yes.

THE COURT: The court will deem that the witness has read what I have just read to avoid repetition.

THE WITNESS: This is (g), "That my eyes (which I used as an excuse to get out of school) are perfect and do not pain me ever."

Q BY MR. FLYNN: How, were you able to date, Mr. Armstrong, when these documents were written by Mr. Hubbard?

THE COURT: Well I think you should ask him if he formed an opinion as to the time when these were prepared.He can't date them as a matter of personal knowledge. He may have an opinion based upon his work with him.

Q BY Mr. FLYNN : Do you have an opinion, Mr. Armstrong?

A Yes.

Q And what is that?

A In the period of 1946-1947.

It is obvious that the discrepancies between what Corydon quotes from the trial transcript and what I posted in 2000 are insignificant, and are explainable by the 1984 court reporting and transcription process.

Significantly, these quotes, published in 1987, demonstrate the authenticity of the Admissions in 2000. Just consider the genius it would take to write everything that’s written around these quotes to make the whole of Hubbard’s Admissions understandable, plus sound exactly like Hubbard.

And that’s not considering the necessity of including details that will only be elucidated when the Heinlein archives are opened, online at least, thirty years later.

Give it a try. Just take the following two quotes, which contain 223 words, and then write – from your imagination and knowledge -- the 8,857 words surrounding the two quotes, and craft the 9080 words of the Admissions.

It’s true that a Hitlerian Diarist could make a job of it. But unlike Hitler’s “Diary,” which were proven to be forgeries by numerous historical inaccuracies, as well as paper and ink, Hubbard’s Diary has been authenticated without even the need of paper and ink because of their historical accuracy.

The two quotes from Messiah or Madman for the Roadrunner Challenge:

Quote:

Your stomach trouble you used as an excuse to keep the Navy from punishing you. You are free from the Navy. You have no further reason to have a weak stomach.
Your ulcers are all well and never bother you. You can eat anything.
Your hip is a pose. You have a sound hip. It never hurts.
Your shoulder never hurts.
Your foot was an alibi. The injury is no longer needed. It is well. You have perfect and lovely feet.
Your sinus trouble is nothing. It is not dangerous. It will vanish. The common cold amuses you. You are protected from further illness. Your cat fever has vanished forever and will never return. You do not have malaria.
When you tell people you are ill, it has no effect on your health. And in Veterans Administration examinations you'll tell them how sick you are; you'll look sick when you take it; you'll return to health one hour after the examination and laugh at them.
No matter what lies you may tell others, they have no physical effect on you of any kind. You never injure your health by saying it is bad. You cannot lie to yourself....

by hypnosis
(g), That my eyes (which I used as an excuse to get out of school) are perfect and do not pain me ever.

Note too that Roadrunner has itself not produced a set of Admissions from these two quotes to show how easy it would be for someone, in this case RR’s target, me, to write, or forge the Admissions.

The simple explanation is that RR knows it’s lying, and knows that Hubbard wrote his Admissions.

peter wrote:

Quote:

Armstrong: 2 It would be impossible at this time to get Judge Breckenridge to say how much he knew about Hubbard's Admissions.

Quote:

HE COURT: Well, I read a number of documents and they can be construed in a variety of ways.

MR. LITT: Precisely.

THE COURT: And I don't know that you can conclude that they are not evidence of his own personal feelings and beliefs at that particular moment or past experiences or past feelings about the future, or they may be totally allegorical. There may be something he was attempting to set forth to program himself to attempt to overcome what he perceived maybe as deficiencies.
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/l ... 05-15.html

Gerry wrote:

Right. Breckenridge read the documents.

peter wrote:

Soderqvist1: Michel Snoeck as Olberon in this forum deny here in Sweden that anything from said affirmations are read into the court record, but I cut and paste quotes from the record and he admitted that he was wrong. You can see the quotes he agrees can be found in the said proceedings.
http://forum.svt.se/forum/diskutera-pro ... yId=380326

Soderqvist1: but it can be seen on his home site that he doubt its authenticity and believe it is a forgery.

Gerry wrote:

No, it can be seen that “Snoeck” says he doubts the Admissions’ authenticity. But that doesn’t mean he actually doubts their authenticity. If “Snoeck” is Roadrunner, he is a willful liar, for Scientology, and uses his willful lying to harm people. There is no logical reason to believe that if “Snoeck” says he doubts something that he actually doubts it.

That, however, is irrelevant. RR has stated as fact that I wrote the Admissions. It also says I forged the Admissions. These are factual charges.

If “Snoeck” is RR, and RR is “Snoeck” then this liar has a duty to support these, and other lies.

“Snoeck’s” “analysis” does not support his charges.

If you are in communication with him or it, and his honesty on the issue is important to you, how about demanding his evidence for his charges.

peter wrote:

Quote:

4 I have seen no proof that RR is Snoeck. In fact, RR has essentially denied this.

Sodertqvist1: the wiseoldgoat Michel Snoeck claim he is Roadrunner here!
Where do he deny that he is Roadrunner?
http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/papers-scien ... 130-1.html

Gerry wrote:

a.r.s.

peter wrote:

Quote:

5 RR apparently was in one incarnation Spacetraveler, who wrote this:

Soderqvist1: they seems to me to be two different persons, how do you know they are one and the same?

Gerry wrote:

I don’t. I didn’t say I do. However, I am convinced they are part of the same unit. Obviously, RR, et al. could be Idda, Farny, “Snoeck,” and a whole closet full of fellow sociopaths.

In any event, demonstrating their unity, see, e.g., language like this:

http://www.groupsrv.com/religion/about128040.html wrote:

You deny the FACT that Gerry Armstrong is LYING on his site... See, people like you are BLIND for the faults made by your friends... THAT my freind is being willfully stupid and ineducatable... Spacetraveler

Seriously, others have long viewed “Roadrunner” as “Spacetraveler,” and no evidence has been provided that they aren’t the same. As all Scientologists, they “assume a beingness” from which to execute their “doingness.” They can make changes in their “beingness” that would include different “histories” and even different writing styles or words. But sometimes their “beingnesses” slip, and their words give them away.

And then, of course there are the facts that “Spacetraveler” has disappeared, “Roadrunner” has appeared, and everyone shares identical interests and targets on “Snoeck’s” web site; e.g., the excuse for and whitewash of fair game, with an attack on fair game’s victims thrown in at: http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/papers-scientology/hubbard_policy-letter_history_fair-game.html#fairgamelaw

peter wrote:

Quote:

3 Other people have identified RR as an operative for Scientology, and this makes far more sense than the lone Dutch guy in Sweden story.

Soderqvist1: he is a duped scientologist under Hubbard’s spell, no conspiracy!

Gerry wrote:

There’s something about being a Scientologist, or “Hubbard’s spell” that is not easy to get, and you appear to not have gotten regarding Roadrunner. Just like wogs, they know when they’re lying.

They lie, however, for the cause, of Scientology. They lie at cause. They never fear to hurt others in the Scientology cause. And they’re at cause hurting people.

They have all sorts of justifications for the lying and for attacking and harming or destroying people. “Scientology is mankind’s only hope.” “The only thing stopping us is SPs.” “If I do what I’m told, everything will be okay. And what I’m being told is to lie and attack SPs.”

Most importantly, Scientologists are at war. Soldiers at war know when they kill an enemy, but the killing is justified, even demanded and rewarded. Soldiers are not under some spell that prevents them from knowing what they’re doing. At some point, soldiers might change their minds about their justifications for the killing.

Regardless of what the justifications are – which comprise the Hubbard spell – the Scientologists like Roadrunner who doing the lying and fair gaming, know what they’re doing.

So, if by conspiracy, you mean awareness of truthfulness and action, as opposed to being under some “spell” in which the victim has been stripped of awareness of truthfulness and action, then RR, et al. constitute a conspiracy.

That is also the logical conclusion because Scientology itself, and all of the cult’s churches, affiliated entities, and all of their officers, directors, employees, volunteers, agents, assigns and lawyers comprise a conspiracy against rights. RR, can claim that it’s not an agent or employee, but even if it’s only a volunteer, it’s a party and beneficiary in that conspiracy.

peter wrote:

As an endnote: Judge Breckenridge decision is correct!

Gerry wrote:

Thanks.

Columbian · **Joined:** Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:49 pm **Posts:** 59

Is it true that Gerry Armstrong destroyed the originals. Why did he do that?

caroline · **Posted:** Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:52 am

Columbian wrote:

Is it true that Gerry Armstrong destroyed the originals. Why did he do that?

Where did you get this information?

peter · **Posted:** Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:46 pm

Soderqvist1: what Gerry, and RJ claim doesn’t add up, so what is truth?

Gerry Armstrong: I don't know who in this recent period sent me the copy from which I typed that follows. In any event I would not divulge the identity of the person because of the clear and senseless threat of attack from the people who now run $cientology. It is sufficient for legal purposes to state that the copy I received was not made by me. By the time the Admissions are posted to the internet, I will have, pursuant to the wishes of the person who made it, destroyed the copy I received. I will also immediately wipe the Admissions from my hard drive. Thus the people who run $cientology will have less reason or justification to raid me or break into my house or computer than they have to raid or break into the house or computer of a million other people.
http://www.holysmoke.org/ga/ga07.htm

January 23, 2011 4:20 am by RJ
Chuck, I’ve always questioned the provenance of Jerry’s records.
For instance I asked him personally for a handwritten copy of “Affirmations” which he claims exists in the Ol’man’s handwriting only to be sent a poorly typed and typo ridden PDF. I also question the veracity Ron’s allegedly purloined 201 records as well that have since been published on the internet with no verification of their authenticity. So did Prouty. As far as I’m concerned they have the same validity as the famous MJ 12 docs hoax. You know the ones that confirmed the existence of aliens working with the USG. Really I am not personally interested in supporting another BFM, M or M or the appropriately titled “A Piece of BS” by someone like Kent who has such an obvious bias against “cults” in general and Scientology in particular.
You of course have every right to do so.
http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com ... mment-7305

elwood · **Posted:** Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:44 pm

Gerry Armstrong wrote:
I have seen no proof that RR is Snoeck. In fact, RR has essentially denied this.

Me:
Roadrunner's old website on his OCMB profile was algonet.se/~tourtel/interests/hubbard-index.html.

It re-directs to wiseoldgoat.com/index_scientology.html (Michel Snoeck's website). Snoeck is Roadrunner.

As you will all recall we engaged that guy in debate here from late February, 2008 until April, 2008 when he finally got banned. It was pretty much impossible to debate him and few if us took him seriously.

caroline · **Posted:** Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:18 pm

peter wrote:

Soderqvist1: what Gerry, and RJ claim doesn’t add up, so what is truth?

Gerry Armstrong: I don't know who in this recent period sent me the copy from which I typed that follows. In any event I would not divulge the identity of the person because of the clear and senseless threat of attack from the people who now run $cientology. It is sufficient for legal purposes to state that the copy I received was not made by me. By the time the Admissions are posted to the internet, I will have, pursuant to the wishes of the person who made it, destroyed the copy I received. I will also immediately wipe the Admissions from my hard drive. Thus the people who run $cientology will have less reason or justification to raid me or break into my house or computer than they have to raid or break into the house or computer of a million other people.
http://www.holysmoke.org/ga/ga07.htm

January 23, 2011 4:20 am by RJ
Chuck, I’ve always questioned the provenance of Jerry’s records.
For instance I asked him personally for a handwritten copy of “Affirmations” which he claims exists in the Ol’man’s handwriting only to be sent a poorly typed and typo ridden PDF. I also question the veracity Ron’s allegedly purloined 201 records as well that have since been published on the internet with no verification of their authenticity. So did Prouty. As far as I’m concerned they have the same validity as the famous MJ 12 docs hoax. You know the ones that confirmed the existence of aliens working with the USG. Really I am not personally interested in supporting another BFM, M or M or the appropriately titled “A Piece of BS” by someone like Kent who has such an obvious bias against “cults” in general and Scientology in particular.
You of course have every right to do so.
http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com ... mment-7305

Gerry Armstrong wrote:

I can’t tell exactly what your question is: “what Gerry, and RJ claim doesn’t add up, so what is truth?”

Are you being rhetorical, because, for example, you already know RJ is such a clear liar, jerk, twit or nut?

If you’re asking a serious question, then please post, or someone please post, these “201 records” so that an adequate response to RJ’s charges can be undertaken.

peter · **Posted:** Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:06 am

Soderqvist1: I did a mistake!
I had “handwriting” mixed up with “typed” the first one is made with a hand, and the next with a machine, so it adds up that RJ received the Affirmations in typed form. I don’t know what “201 records” is. But I know that RJ requires unreasonable high standards when it comes to something critical regarding Hubbard, but not when it is in Hubbard’s favour!

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