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Peter (Soderqvist1) made some interesting and helpful suggestions and comments about the Admissions in the thread Hubbard and Heinlein
. I asked Gerry to respond.
Soderqvist1: Caroline, I misunderstood the message!
I thought that Roadrunner was already in a debate regarding Hubbard’s admissions, and I wanted a link to it.
Gerry Armstrong wrote:
Roadrunner probably calls what it does debating, but it is ugly semantic and willfully regressed bullying. Nevertheless, if you are looking for threads on a.r.s. where RR has mentioned Hubbard's Admissions, there are dozens, and RR's posts in all those threads multiply by X just in the past couple of years. It’d be interesting, now you’ve made me think about it, to collect up RR's posts on Hubbard's Admissions and its willfully generated hatred for me.
Btw we should start a project in order to verify how much did the whole court know about his affirmations, and how much of said affirmations can be verified by other sources, since both roadrunner and RJ at Marty‘s home site doubt its authenticity, and I believe that many Loyalists do.
Gerry Armstrong wrote:
The Court, if you mean the LA Superior Court Judge who tried the Scientology v. Armstrong case in 1984, knew -- that is read -- the totality of the Admissions.
If you mean Miscavige's “court,” those courtiers have the documents, and if it's important to Scientologists to have the handwritten original, they should demand it of their cult head.
RR just uses the Admissions as a vehicle for attacking me. This entity cannot but know the Admissions are Hubbard's, and that they provide valuable insight into his character and intentions. At one time RR wrote that the Admissions are damaging for Hubbard, and then RR apparently erased that admission.
RJ, I see, is a Loyalist attack agent à la Logan. Fascinating that Marty doesn't lift a syllable to clue these people in. Marty was, he admits, over cult litigation throughout the Scientology v. Armstrong case. He knows Hubbard's Admissions are real. Rinder the fact-checker knows they're real.
They both know that Hubbard was a big fat liar. They have embraced a man they know is a big fat liar, and have appeared to postulate the Admissions as Hubbard did, workable affirmations, rather than admissions of their source's failure, or the failure of the willfulness these documents admit that he practiced.
It would be impossible at this time to get Judge Breckenridge to say how much he knew about Hubbard's Admissions. But a good project to start, with an easily amazing result no matter what happens, would be to get the Loyalists to acknowledge the Admissions.
It's staggeringly lame the way they've dealt with the Admissions, in fact the whole Gerry Armstrong issue. That's not to say it isn't cruel, because cruelty is always present in Scientologists' treatment of SPs, even if the treatment is lame. The universal lameness and cruelty supports the conclusion that this is Loyalist Op Redux, but even continued lameness, I think, would be an astonishing result for such a project to document.
Regardless of the result, this would be an easily doable and free project. It would have total transparency as the Loyalists' acknowledgment would be sought publicly on the forums they habituate, and the results would be visible for all. In fact, everyone can participate and carry out their own projects to get the Loyalists to get honest about Hubbard's Admissions.
Roadrunners name is Michel Snoeck, see photography on him here!
Gerry Armstrong wrote:
I have seen no proof that RR is Snoeck. In fact, RR has essentially denied this.
RR, of course, is a notoriously willful liar and black PR merchant, whose victims are also Miscavige and Scientology's victims.
Other people have identified RR as an operative for Scientology, and this makes far more sense than the lone Dutch guy in Sweden story. It must be remembered that the shore story of the Loyalists Preredux was that Miscavige is a criminal and they wanted to get rid of him.
RR apparently was in one incarnation Spacetraveler, who wrote this:
"You see, take a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet in there (also easy). Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires some doingness), then go to him (take a plane, that's fastest), wait for him (at some place), pull your gun (does not require much musclepower), then aim (some will have problems with this), and finally pull the trigger..(keep your hand steady or you'll miss altogether). RR has stated a number of lies about me, significantly on this issue, that I wrote, or forged, Hubbard's Admissions. That is a statement of fact, and it has been RR's responsibility for years to support that asserted fact. RR has provided no support for this and other lies, and has refused to retract or correct them.
It is clear that this and other lies serve Scientology's purposes toward a most hated SP. It is beyond argument that these purposes or intentions are malevolent. RR has continued without cessation, and without any evidence of conscience, to attack me instead of telling the truth. In that, RR duplicates the Loyalists for whom I'm also a most hated person and from whom I also get attacks instead of the truth.
I welcome the opportunity to debate any Scientologist, from either organized or disorganized Scientology, on Hubbard's Admissions, on Hubbard, on Scientology, on SPs, on the SP doctrine, on Wogs, and on me. Unimaginably, I have never encountered a Scientologist who would debate these topics, or even communicate logically about them with me. To actually debate me, of course, would necessitate granting me credence, which Scientology policy and hierarchical control do not permit. Whether RR or other Scientologists becomes honest in their lifetime is out of my human hands.
Soderqvist1: and I have talked with him on the internet here in Sweden before about Hubbard’s admissions and got him to swallow at least 2-3 phrases from it as can be seen here in his tabulations about said Admissions!
Gerry Armstrong wrote:
I cannot tell what phrases you got RR to swallow. This is of interest to me.
RR's refusal to swallow his lies and perversions had been a hallmark of its agenda and campaign for many years.
RR’s monstrous effort is riddled with false assertions, innuendos, and holes. I find it unbelievable that RR doesn't know what it's doing. I realize that some people think RR is ignorant or deranged, but it's clear to me that RR pretends ignorance, knows it's lying, and knowingly bullies Wogs for Scientology with infantile nastinesses.
Soderqvist1: after I have talked to him, I began to investigate further about it, and to make long story short; the parties in the court and the judge has read said affirmations, and verified its handwritings by Hubbard, both the “Course 2” and “the Book” from the admissions is read into the court record. Click on the link to the curt and read more phrases from his affirmation which at least to me has proven it beyond reasonable doubt that “affirmation 2000 by Gerry Armstrong” is part of the record.
Gerry Armstrong wrote:
I appreciate that. If you came to that conclusion, why doesn't Roadrunner? The logical and simple explanation is that RR did come to the same conclusion, but continues to act as he acts despite his knowledge.
And that is Scientology in a nutshell: the desire and will to have a lie believed as true, and the persistence in that insane goal despite all the evidence otherwise and despite all the harm being done in that goal's pursuit.
Soderqvist1: Both “Twelve against the Gods” which was Hubbard’s favorite book!
Soderqvist1: or a CoS friendly home site if somebody doubts it was Hubbard’s favorite book!
Soderqvist1: and Robert Vaughn Young have pieces of supporting evidence!
Twelve against the Gods by William Bolitho chapter Casanova
Page: 48: A rationale for seduction, indeed is only to be attempted by sniggering old men like Ovid, though if it were based on the wisdom and practice of this maligned Casanova it might have the result of frightening the majority of amateur woman-hunters from the chase. His love for every one of the thousand was as real as any that lead to holy matrimony; only it did not last. So he escaped both alimony and the glue years. But his women were not cheated out of their sacred due, for he gave them everything he possessed, and his whole self, in one single payment.
Page 49: How many times he unmetaphorically beggared himself for the paramour of a week, how many times at the height of his fortune he threw himself without hesitation or regret down into the gutter for a new charmer; and without any thought of bargain, this for that. Let those envy his amours who can imitate him in this; and those who can add to it his real tenderness, that never forgot the name of one of his light of loves, or how beautiful she was, the irresistible riches of the talk of the man, the prestige of his shoulders, his neck and his eyes, dare to emulate him. As for his censors, only those have the right to damn him who are quite certain the promise of life-companionship of a man however poor and tedious outweighs all Casanova gave. The prime direction of Casanova’s adventure, therefore, is the forbidden world of women. In the rise of his trajectory his will is as single as Alexander’s.
Page 51: Casanova had learnt two Latin saws, which were to be for the rest of his life his gospel and his policy: Fata viam inveniunt. Volentem ducit, nolentem trahit. As we may say: Fate finds the way, and Life leads its lover, betrays its rebel. The one handed down from stoics through Epictetus and Seneca; the second a translation by Cicero of a line in the lost tragedy of Euripides. There is no better epitome of the purest tradition of adventure, with all the comfort of fatalism without its enervating effects; no better summary of the mystical doctrine of adventure. Casanova held to them like a Calvinist to his Bible, and repeating them to himself, set out on his next adventure in good spirits.
Admissions or Affirmations by L. Ron Hubbard
LRH: You have no fear if they conceive. What if they do? You do not care. Pour it into them and let fate decide.
The slipperier they are the more you enjoy it because it means their mucous is running madly with pleasure.
LRH: I returned to sea as navigator of a large ship and was subsequently selected for the Military Government School at Princeton whither I went in 1944-45 for three months. During my Princeton sojourn I was very tired and harrassed (sp?) and spent week-ends with a writer friend in Philadelphia. He almost forced me to sleep with his wife. Meanwhile I had a affair with a woman named Ferne. Somehow, perhaps because I had constantly wet feet and no sleep at Princeton, I contracted a staphloceus infection. I mistook it for gonnhorea and until I arrived at Monterey, believed my old illness had returned. I consulted a doctor there who reassured me.
THE HUBBARD ARCHIVES by Robert Vaughn Young
Let's start in late 1981, when I happened to acquire the archives that contained Hubbard's private papers. (These were the ones that Gerry Armstrong started.) The truly essential material came down to perhaps 15 linear feet of paper. Over the months, with nothing else to do, I had a chance to read private letters, papers and manuscripts (including the three, yes, three, versions of the infamous Excalibur, which has to be the most overblown piece of hype he EVER produced and, no, it has NOTHING to do with OT3), which also gave me the full uncensored view of this man. I read everything from love letters to (and from and about) his mistresses, his girlfriends (such as Fern, who gave him the clap, forcing him to secretly take sulfa), his private pornographic ramblings (he liked to draw penises and vaginas around the margins in red ink, which gave the page a grisly look), his black magic material, his letters to family, wives (in the early 1950s, while having mistress Barbara on the side and at the same time preaching about the dangers of illicit relationships), editors and even to himself, as journals.
There was one problem with what I read. It didn't match what we (collectively then, meaning the organization) were saying about Hubbard and what Hubbard, based on what he had say to say. When I tried to gently point this out, the Shinola hit the fan. It didn't matter that it was in Hubbard's own hand. It didn't match the story he put out so — straight out of "1984" — it didn't exist. (These documents were later confiscated and sealed away to make sure no staff see them but enough of us did — including a few still on staff (hi, guys!) — so it can be verified someday, if it comes to that. But that is another story.)
In his sig file, Soderqvist1 wrote:
A simple explanation with few explanation grounds is to prefer, except when you need to hide your flaws! - Peter Soderqvist
Gerry Armstrong wrote:
And in this case, the simple explanation for Roadrunner is that he knows, but is lying regardless.
Marty knows, but he's so far silent, although he lies about related things. He lets his underlings do the attacking on the Admissions issue.
Miscavige knows Hubbard's Admissions are real, but the cult has never made an official statement about them. Miscavige lets, or has, RR and the Loyalists do the attacking on the issue. Recently, of course, Miscavige momentarily dropped Ignore Tech for organized Scientology, and let loose Tommy Davis on me to The New Yorker. But usually, like Hubbard, Miscavige has arms-lengthed himself from his victims.
There have been various ops or entities out of Scientology who've been used to attack me on the Admissions issue over the years. See, e.g., this a.r.s. post right after I published the Admissions in March 2000.
The whole post is a prime view into the real Scientology ugliness, and I’m glad I saved it.
Ace of Clubs wrote:
Okay, Ger; wipe yerself off, fuck-face, and le's get down to bu'iness!I think it's becoming clear that Scientology has failed to suppress Hubbard's Admissions, and also failed to kill, or ruin utterly, the messenger.
Now, Ger-Ger. I do not know how adequately to express myself on this next item. It has brung a tear to ol' Ace's eye, I have to admit. I feel like jest reachin' out to you, and givin' you such a big, warm, lingering Ace o' Clubs hug, and I would, but I'm afraid my flesh might begin to go grey and rot like yours, and I don't think I'm quite ready fer it. But it is the sentiment I feel in my leathery old heart fer them fine, FINE "Affirmations"--or "Admissions," if you prefer--that you have introduced to the greeeeeeeat body of historical literature. I pored over every lyin' fuckin' word that you posted to a.r.s. But that isn't what brought the tear to me eyes, Ger. It wuzn't what you posted, really. That jest made me go and puke out over the cinder-block door stoop into the bait bucket. No, Ger. Let me tell you what made the tears stream freely down me wrinkled, brown face. It wuz this Ger; it wuz when I sat down and shoved the jelly jars and toast crumbs aside on my Sears formica kitchen table, and, got me a piece of ancient, yellowed--like yer teeth--onion-skin paper (which NOBODY uses anymore fer anything), and got me a No. 2 pencil, and sharpened it with my penknife, and licked the point of it, and cogitated, and thunk, and pondered, and furrowed me brow, and thunk some more, until I could prepare a full and complete list of all the people you said could verify that these lies that you call "Affirmations" and "Admissions" actually came from the pen of L. Ron Hubbard, and not from one of yer suck-buddies over in CIA.
Thinking Wogs are too many. Roadrunner's op is a total failure. The Loyalists' silence or lameness hasn't worked. And all Scientologists continue to face a future in which the Admissions and their meaning are acknowledged. And sooner or later they will be rendered meaningless, for they’re but reflective of the nothingness that Scientology doesn’t work. Something Else does, but Scientology doesn’t.
Blessedly, the Admissions in the meantime to many people have meant freedom from Scientology slavery and all that BS. And this is also why Scientology, a slave cult founded by a slaver, and Scientologists – the slave trade’s beneficiaries and their continuing slaves -- have acted so abominably about these documents.
It’s Scientology that’s at fault, not Scientologists. Some Scientologists are certainly at fault, and Scientology is not a defense for that fault. But Scientologists can stop being at fault just by stopping being Scientologists. Scientology can’t stop being at fault, because that’s its ideal, what it calls being at cause.
INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST TRAINING ROUTINE – TR L
Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1. To train the student to outflow false data effectively.
Commands: Part l “Tell me a lie”.