A little history about the Buttersquash Conspiracy

The Buttersquashers are mainly found on the Undernet—IRC channel known as #altreligionscientology.

The channel is not just Buttersquashers but also includes respected critics such as, Dr. Dave Touretzky, Tanya, barbz, and other critics that occasionally post to ars. Many of the members of this channel have never been Scientologists but they are completely open to talk with Scientologists and debate the issues. There are also a few Ex’s on that channel, including myself, Emma, Dennis Erhlich, and a few others than pop in and out. It also includes people who still consider themselves a Scientologist, such as Jay Random User, who is a non Churchie Scientologist and Fluffy even pops in on a rare occasion.

The one thing that all these different people have in common is that they believe in freedom of speech. The channel is all about communicating with others as long as they behave and don’t get abusive. They can disagree, and believe me there are plenty of disagreements on that channel, and sometimes the discussion gets quite hot, but over all, there is a general welcoming and friendly attitude there. However, you are there to annoy
or troll then you will get thrown out in a heart beat as is their right.

The Buttersquashers pretty much run the channel. They consist of Henri aka ptsc, Kady O’Malley, Tikk, and Deana Holmes. Before they had the name of Buttersquash, they were known as the Elves. They were given that name because they would quietly get a lot of work done behind the scenes and then unleash researched and accurate data that would help to expose the cult.

This band of critics was given the name of Buttersquash by Zinj on ars.

To say that Zinj and the Elves don’t like each other would be an understatement. Zinj doesn’t like the Elves because he was banned from the IRC channel for being abusive and doing really dumb things such attempting to physically meet a 14 year old girl that was on the channel.

My understanding of how Zinj got the name was because one of the Buttersquashers had a unpublished url on their website with the word
Buttersquash in the url.

So for example, it might have been www.tikk.com/buttersquash but I don’t know the actual url.

The only way Zinj could have gotten this unpublished web page was by nosing around on the web site looking for private unpublished links. Which is kind of a crappy thing to do.

So Zinj found this buttersquash link and that link had all the transcripts of the hearings on an important part of the Lisa McPherson case. And these transcripts included testimony from Bob Minton and Stacy and showed there
turning and helping Scientology. There were other transcripts as well.

Mikey Gormez has webbed them all here.

If you want some really interesting reading, then read those transcripts, they are quite fascinating.

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/

Ok so a big stink is made about the Elves having these transcripts and not sharing them and Zinj renames the Elves the Buttersquashers.

Now if I have any of this wrong, please feel free to correct me.

The Minton Wars

The Buttersquashers then get into a huge war on ars with the �Bobists� or the people that support Bob Minton and Stacy Brooks. The war goes on for months and it’s quite viscous. I’m not going to get into specifics of the Minton Wars but if you read the transcripts and then go read ars from April 2002 you can get a good idea of what was going on.

Now let me give you some info about the individuals in the Buttersquash Conspiracy. First let me tell you that I have been hanging out on this IRC channel since mid 2003. I’ve come to know the Buttersquash gang quite well.

Kady is as sweet as she is smart. She has an incredible gift to research and sort through and present facts.

One of the major Buttersquash projects was:


http://www.slatkinfraud.com/index.php

This is a site put together by Tikk but
Kady did the lion’s share of the research

Kady also did the work on putting together all this information
about the Guardians Office here:

http://www.wwwaif.net/scn.php



Mirele—Deana Holmes put this site together on Lisa McPherson


http://www.lisamcpherson.com/home.php


henri runs this site

http://www.operatingthetan.com/

And did this brilliant research on Scientology manipulating the google rankings. This caused Scientology many headaches and destroyed their
Plans to control the google rankings.

http://www.operatingthetan.com/google/

Tikk also organize and runs this:

http://www.altreligionscientology.org/


And these are only a few of the major contributions that the Buttersquashers have made to expose Scientology.


So what Buttersquash really is, is a group of very talented people that would research and present facts about Scientology. Anyone can post to a newsgroup or message board and complain and call Scientologists, clams and evil etc, etc, blah, blah, but these people did the research and provided accurate DATA and shared it with others.

They didn’t make stuff up, they didn’t get sloppy and just give their opinion of what they thought, they did the research, they dug up the facts and they posted them.


They also did not agree with some of the others critics and would also research certain critics if they felt that the critics were lying, making things up or being lazy with presenting accurate information.

They were well know for NOT being in the anti cult mindset. They had no problem with criticizing other critics and calling them on the carpet if other critics said or did stupid stuff or lied.

There is a mindset among some of the critics that it is wrong to criticize other critics and point out errors and sometimes down right lies that critics make.

There is a bunch here that will pull out that “you must work for OSA� card if you dare to confront them and tell them they are full of shit. Either that they
will tell you that you are off topic and not “undressing Scientology� because
they don’t want anyone talking about their unpardonable stupidity and meanness.



Certain critics then ran a black PR campaign on the Buttersquashers and reviled them and basically drove them out of the anti scn community. The end result is that this excellent group of researchers and truth tellers have
just about given up on the critical movement and now contribute little to nothing.

These lies and Black PR comments can be seen here on OCMB by people such as Ladybird who has never met these people and only knows the Black PR lines and willing and stupidly repeats them.

These people were there for me when I was at my darkest hour. Leaving Scientology and waking up took it’s toll on me and these “evil Buttersquashers� helped me and basically helped save my life and what’s left of my sanity.

For you ladybird to foolishly berate these people just goes to show what a narrow minded ass you are. I suspect you’ve always been that way. You were probably like that in Scientology, now you just do the same kind of crap for the other side.

You attack my friends, people I know and people that have helped me. They are not OSA. And if “moderate critic� means one that looks at all the facts and is not afraid to speak the truth then I guess I am a moderate critic as well. I’d rather be that than a knee jerk, intolerant, fundamentalist anti-cult - cultist.

Patty P

It's part of the Bobist/anti Bobist thing. One simply cannot say one single word against Minton or Brooks here anywhere or one will get endless flak from Ladybird.

She told me that my reference to Minton and Brooks as ex critics was incorrect.

Well, that's not even a pejorative. They were critics, now they're not critics.

I tauntingly wrote "up with buttersquash" on a.r.s. and this got eagerly picked up and requoted by both a couple different people as proof positive of some iniquity.

Fact is, I do respect all those people you name here, Patty. They are NOT the only critics I respect and like, but they certainly are some of them.

Anyone who'd term Henri as a moderate, spiritual seeker, someone who falls for things, needs to hear big words, just doesn't know jackshit about him.

Henri can be vehement and has very strongly held opinions. So do others named in your post, but Henri, well, he's a very very nice guy but you know what? He ain't mild or moderate.

But he does have more than a couple brain cells to rub together. Maybe that's the problem!

I hear ya Fluffy. C of S members never really liked "intelligent" people
thought they were just dumb wogs.

Apparently there are critics that don't like "smart people" either. Especially if those smart people call critics on their lies and bullshit.

Patty

What's kind of funny is that I got labeled as being "in" with these "buttersquashers" for a while as I was one of the people that when henri posted his original posts that detailed what Minton was saying, I saw Minton's betrayal --at least so it was to me--for what it was. I never have had the expertise to do as mirele or kady or henri or the others have done but I committed a high crime by agreeing with them. So there I was, lumped in. Now I did picket. I've done leafleting. Some stuff. Not near the work that these guys did.

But they are some of my most favorite people ==they've all put themselves out on the line. And henri has been the furthest thing from moderate I can think of. He's one bright, bright man. And I admire the hell out of him.

I admire all of 'em. The free thinking, brightest and bestest.

Here's to them all.

Patty,

Thanks for the write-up on the buttersquash history. I never knew much about them. Very much appreciated.

"Lie" and "bullshit" are the stocks-in-trade responses of the Buttersquashers to those who might deign to have other viewpoints. Intelligent, no doubt; more intelligent than their audience, I seriously doubt the claim. This group was never in the mood to "discuss", jointly or separately, but to dictate the correct forms of thought and expression to what they consider to this day the "great unwashed masses".

The Buttersquash cabal was operating with information that was sourced exclusively to them by whomever. The cabal used this exclusive information selectively in a program of information warfare to support their cause and viewpoints. When caught in their manipulation of information and their program of disinformation, they vanished into the ether like thieves into the night.

This cabal has much remaining to divulge. I am certain when they feel the time is right, they will further stroke their egos with another program of selective disclosures. It is the nature of their association.

Q

Is that you, Zinjifar?

There are many among the squashers I admire but I don't think they deserve unabashed praise. Many times they come to their conclusions and then set out to convince others with no facts to back them up. They are damned sure about something yet can be completely wrong.

An example would be when I was accused of posting edited court documents when a) I posted nothing and b) the documents weren't edited after all. That didn't stop them from being 100% certain that I was a traitorous bastard.

So would they be considered the anti-cult cult cult?

Sorry that happened to you Mark...Keep up the good fight and shake off the haters. Your videos will be bouncing around the web for years to come showing many people what this "religion" is all about. I really don't understand why some critics decided to poke a stick at Bob after Rinder finally figured out how to silence him. This guy went through hell for the cause and everyone seems to forget about that. If you're reading this Bob, big ups from a new school South Park critic!

While I feel very sorry for Minton, as he bit off way more than he could chew, he was warned time and again not to pull some of the gleeful sticking his stick in the terminte's nest tactics he pulled. I don't know about Mark. I liked Mark but there was a feeling --a very strong feeling--of betrayal by many of us who had been in the fight to get justice for Lisa McPherson from the beginning. I do not know the truth about what happened with Mark. I know he got treated badly by the cult--but I also know that feelings were very high in the shock and disbelief of the utter turnaround Minton did. In retrospect, I can't say I blame him. He lost a lot. BUT he did so as a bit of a loose cannon, who if he had gone about things a bit more sensibly, might have still been able to be in the fight.

I have compassion for Minton, but not a lot of admiration. Sorry.

Mark, I don't know the truth of what you were or were not doing. I haven't seen enough to make a judgement either way. But I do know people were VERY angry about the betrayal to Lisa's memory when they had worked hard for justice for her from the get-go.

If they hit a wrong target--I do not know. I left ars because of the loonybin taking over, never saw the outcome of the evidence filtering down. I think many in that camp felt utterly betrayed by anyone who was still singing the praises of Minton after he turned and did the star witness for the cult thing.

With my fibromyagia I do not trust my memories of the details to make a judgement myself, however.

It is certain that these folks are no kind of cult. Their refusal to march in lockstep with popular opinion proves that. If in their anger they got things wrong, that's the way things happen sometimes. They got a lot right that I know of, when no one else believed what was going down.

RIPBD--whoever you are, you weren't there. You have no idea how badly all that hurt. I never met Lisa but she is as dear to me as if I had known her all my life--to me she represented all the lost souls some of which will never be known by name. We had a fighting chance to get justice for her and her family. And that chance was taken --IMO partly by the flamboyance of a man who was too used to getting his own way and thought he could level the playing field all on his own, even when he was told better by others.

Minton's no devil. Lord knows, though, he helped construct a good deal of his own purgatory. He's no angel either. He had a good heart and a wrong head in many ways.
I wish him well, but with all my heart I wish he'd never come into the fight.

Sorry for the novel Some of the immediacy of the betrayal is still right with me, even though some of the details have dimmed.

Main thing is something is learned from this.

There are some really powerful men that own Scientology and have a virtual idiot running it. They have a lot to protect, except about now when they should be thinking about getting out of the UFO Cult business. Instead they bust out a "new property" move, attempting to be up-scale with it.

They have money out the ass. Money is not at all a Scn problem since the IRS ruling and new ownership.

People are their problem. You just can't go killing them.

Some people seem quite capable of it. I don't know what the answer is except keep on being there for those willing to leave--and for some of them, having a FZ or indipendent Scn "tech" is a halfway house of sorts--and keep letting potential new recruits know how vicious the cuit really is.

I do know that dredging up endless recriminations of the past is not a useful thing, though learning the history is--and while I don't advocate marching in lockstep, when paranoid theories of who's conspiring against whom and tirades which border on stalking happen, some of the people opposing the cult don't tend to look much saner than the ones inside.

My opinion, FWIW.

I think this is a little weird Patty, to say this much that's bad about a person not able to defend themselves, because they don't visit the board, is a little weird. I mean, you can't say things like that without offering up some proof.

By saying that Zinj attempted to meet a 14-year old girl, it sounds like you're trying to suggest he's a child molester.

There is a lot more about the Buttersquash ranchers than the glowing raves here...but anybody who cares can certainly navigate google and sink or swim for themselves. I find it "intellectually dishonest" of PP to reply to me in a separate thread.

Thank you Patty for reminding me why its important for someone like me to remain anonymous. I might engage in a little bait and badger here and there but people like you, umike, Greenway and cabal really scare me. Really. No wonder I had such an enturbulated weekend with all the Ladybird bashing going on at your party...oops, I guess I DO still believe in the "theta universe", I just have a different name for it now that Hubbard is not my spiritual guru/source.

Bob bashing is one of of the ranchers favorite pastimes, I recommend that people look for themselves and make up their own minds. As always, google is your friend. It is my personal opinion that the cult of scientology would be much better off if Minton and LMT never existed. I think Minton was an asset to the critics and that we would not be here today watching the implosion of one of the nastiest, ugly and evil cults to deface the planet this lifetime.

There is nothing worth saving about scientology that cannot be found from it's true and original source. Hubbard was not the source of anything but lies, misery and plagiarism. The exalted researchers of the Buttersquash are hereby challenged to produce one single original idea Hubbard "Humbly tendered as a gift to mankind."

Hubbard was a "grifter" not a "gifter".

Ladybird

He DID attempt to meet a 14 yo girl.

That much is true, as I remember it well.

That is something I, as a parent of a child molested and as a once fourteen yo victim of such, I will never be able to forget.

Sorry you don't like the sordid truth, but it is as it is.