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Post by lermanet_com » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:09 pm

The following tidbit was passed along from LRH_lied.. this MAY be related to the choice of colors used for scientology interiors...uniforms, SeaOrg etc, and buildings as in Big Blue....in LA. As a sea org member *I* thought it had to do with the supposed contrived nautical 'history' of that old con man L Ron...

but what if the color was part of the con?

"The blue-tinted vision experienced by the individuals in this report represents an anecdotal finding. Controlled studies can help define whether blue-tinted vision occurs as a result of an hypnosis-induced primary change in cognitive processing or is related to retinal vasodilation, and its relationship with hypnotic responsiveness of the subjects. In order to gain a better understanding of this phenomenon, affected individuals might be studied as well through measures of retinal vasodilation."

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On a vaguely related pattern, one of the old hypnosis books point out that warm climates are more conducive to hypnosis.. which is why Los Angeles, Clearwater or the first "AO" in Caliente.
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Post by caroline » Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:08 am

lermanet_com wrote:The following tidbit was passed along from LRH_lied.. this MAY be related to the choice of colors used for scientology interiors...uniforms, SeaOrg etc, and buildings as in Big Blue....in LA. As a sea org member *I* thought it had to do with the supposed contrived nautical 'history' of that old con man L Ron...

but what if the color was part of the con?

"The blue-tinted vision experienced by the individuals in this report represents an anecdotal finding. Controlled studies can help define whether blue-tinted vision occurs as a result of an hypnosis-induced primary change in cognitive processing or is related to retinal vasodilation, and its relationship with hypnotic responsiveness of the subjects. In order to gain a better understanding of this phenomenon, affected individuals might be studied as well through measures of retinal vasodilation."

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2415/5/28
I was at AOLA when they started painting the buildings. It was common knowledge around AOLA that Hubbard was involved in the color scheme and that he ordered the blues be gradiently darker from building to building, going south (iirc), on what's now L. Ron Hubbard Way. The difference was almost imperceptible between LA Org and AOLA, and I thought it was pretty weird.
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Post by Sea Horse » Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:20 am

caroline wrote:I was at AOLA when they started painting the buildings. It was common knowledge around AOLA that Hubbard was involved in the color scheme and that he ordered the blues be gradiently darker from building to building, going south (iirc), on what's now L. Ron Hubbard Way. The difference was almost imperceptible between LA Org and AOLA, and I thought it was pretty weird.
I noticed the diff shades of blue (1995-2002) with some buildings a deeper blue and others pale blue. I thought it was because either (a) they couldn't match the paint from one paint job to another, or (b) some blues were older and more faded and the darker ones were the same original color but not faded, or (c) they started with PAINT and later turned to STAINING the concrete.

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Post by caroline » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:48 am

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caroline wrote:I was at AOLA when they started painting the buildings. It was common knowledge around AOLA that Hubbard was involved in the color scheme and that he ordered the blues be gradiently darker from building to building, going south (iirc), on what's now L. Ron Hubbard Way. The difference was almost imperceptible between LA Org and AOLA, and I thought it was pretty weird.
I noticed the diff shades of blue (1995-2002) with some buildings a deeper blue and others pale blue. I thought it was because either (a) they couldn't match the paint from one paint job to another, or (b) some blues were older and more faded and the darker ones were the same original color but not faded, or (c) they started with PAINT and later turned to STAINING the concrete.

Planned, huh?
Yes, no doubt. I filed it all under Hubbard's research on marketing and surveys. Hubbard came out with most of the Marketing Series in 1979, with the balance in 1982. (The one exception was HCOPL 25 June 1978 Come-on Dissemination, which he copied in from the PR series.) When I first showed up in LA, I was continually being interrupted around Pac by surveyors doing surveys for promo, etc., and I didn't dare refuse any of them. I became aware that they were checking out my tone level as they were asking questions, so I definitely put on a happy face about getting surveyed.

I also understood that instant reactions to survey questions were snap shots of my reactive mind, and that the surveyors tabulated answers to their questions in order to assess what the collective thought agreements were on the the topic being surveyed, so they could design appropriate promo, etc. From this I understood that Hubbard wanted to manipulate wogs' reactive minds in order to increase recruits and income. All this was justified by the "greatest good for the greatest number" to further Scientology's goals to clear the planet.

Long answer, but the blue building business came under the same category. It was supposed to increase income and delivery, and forward Scientology's purposes. I did not train specifically on survey or marketing tech, but I'd guess it could be helpful to analyze for hypnotic/trance aspects.

It's noteworthy that in the Mission Earth series, written in his last days, Hubbard dresses his hero Jettero Heller, and his heroines, over and over in blue outfits -- powder blue, light blue, sky blue, obsessively blue -- much more than any other color. It is as if he wasn't even aware that he was repeatedly coloring clothing, and other things, blue, just typing the first color that came into his mind -- blue.
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Post by lermanet_com » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:03 pm

Caroline, I did not know you were involved in that survey project, so was I..The entire topic holds many lessons.. for those who can see past the subliminal blue glow of the promise of OT..

When I read this about blue and hypnosis...it was another moment of "The best place to hide something is right in front of you", here is Hubbard using the bleeding paint on the wall of the buildings to re-enforce, to subliminally remind us, of the pleasant state of trance!

Man I wish Hubbard was alive...I''d waterboard him. (water is blue)

I don't like calling scientologists ex-scientologists... I tried using "recovering scientologists" but that one doesnt quite fit either.. and to hell with Victims of scientology.... how about we describe ourselves a bit more accurately...

I'll start. I am an ex-prisoner of scientology. the fact that our minds were imprisoned by Hubbard's lies and that we are able to admit this empowers the empathy to induce recovery in others.

Hey, let's all go to Big Blue...that stone lion is in front of big blue.

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Post by number 6 » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:29 pm

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Man I wish Hubbard was alive...I''d waterboard him. (water is blue)
Waterboard? Hah, that's too tame. Just play the whole "Road to Freedom" album at full blast, that's much worse.

Too bad he's dead. But there's always the asthmatic dwarf, who still continues what the old man started.

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Post by Sea Horse » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:12 pm

lermanet_com wrote:I'll start. I am an ex-prisoner of scientology. the fact that our minds were imprisoned by Hubbard's lies and that we are able to admit this empowers the empathy to induce recovery in others.
I like it. I think I'll start using that. After all, "ex-scientologist" implies I made some sort of choice to go in and later to get out (of some quirky group). It doesn't carry the same conotation as "escape" -- which is what I feel I did. One IS "trapped" while "in" scientology.

Hmm... ex-prisoner of scientology.

I like it.
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Post by lucy skywalker » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:52 pm

Sea Horse wrote:
lermanet_com wrote:I'll start. I am an ex-prisoner of scientology. the fact that our minds were imprisoned by Hubbard's lies and that we are able to admit this empowers the empathy to induce recovery in others.
I like it. I think I'll start using that. After all, "ex-scientologist" implies I made some sort of choice to go in and later to get out (of some quirky group). It doesn't carry the same conotation as "escape" -- which is what I feel I did. One IS "trapped" while "in" scientology.

Hmm... ex-prisoner of scientology.

I like it.
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Post by Ladybird » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:19 pm

I escaped from the Pod People...not quite as kooky as scientology is considered these days. (Or maybe the pod-people are masquerading as scientologists?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pod_People

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Post by number 6 » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:43 pm

Take a look at this YFHR PSA video, which I have added snarky annotations to. Notice the use of color, especially blue: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DBioVq42wpE
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Post by caroline » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:47 pm

lermanet_com wrote:I don't like calling scientologists ex-scientologists... I tried using "recovering scientologists" but that one doesnt quite fit either.. and to hell with Victims of scientology.... how about we describe ourselves a bit more accurately...

I'll start. I am an ex-prisoner of scientology. the fact that our minds were imprisoned by Hubbard's lies and that we are able to admit this empowers the empathy to induce recovery in others.

Hey, let's all go to Big Blue...that stone lion is in front of big blue.

Were we the lambs?
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I wrote a piece called "What is the Beast," which is probably slightly off topic for this thread because it gets into the occult aspect of Hubbard's insanity. Hubbard's psycho-laundered term was the "reactive mind." He put Scientology's "Training Lion" in front of the Sea Org's main training org, ASHO, to signify the training of the beast. Scientologists are both the beasts and Hubbard's beast trainers. It turns my stomach.

The self-description we use really depends on the context and the people to whom we're communicating. To ourselves, we're "human beings," and that's generally enough. Spiritually, or theologically, we'd probably say "God's creations," or "God's children." (I wouldn't say "children of God," because another cult has grabbed and marked the term.) We certainly are "ex-Scientologists" or "former Scientologists," but as you know, these terms are used by certain cult ops or people serving the cult's purposes for black PR purposes in the Scientology conflict. My use of the terms depends on the forum and people I'm talking to.

Gerry refuses to go along with the "critic" label on a.r.s., because of how it's used by cult ops and others serving the cult's purposes as a justification for attacks on real fair game targets. Obviously, he criticizes Scientology, and in other contexts is correctly described as a "Scientology critic." He calls himself a "wog," just because it's all Scientologists' hate term for human beings.

Scientologists don't call us "human beings" in their usual conversations, because that could indicate to them how hateful they are toward human beings. They do consider themselves superior to human beings, with or without using the "Homo Novis classification as has been recently discussed in another OCMB thread. Scientology processing claims to elevate Homo sapiens to Homo Novis, or Homo Scientologicus (Ref. PAB 119) and beyond. The term some Scientologists use instead of "wogs," "non-Scns" or "non-Scn'ists" or similar, is actually even more hateful than "wogs." These Scientologists use this even more hateful term because it makes them feel superior or enlightened for not using the term "wogs," which these Scientologists know to be a hate term. (Try it in phrases like "Non-Scns to the back of the bus.")

In certain contexts, it's completely appropriate to accept that we're "victims of Scientology" and to use that term. The cult and its ops, of course, hate the term because they never like to be known as the victimizers they are. So they further victimize their victims by belittling people who acknowledge they're victims, and by boasting as the huge victimizer Hubbard did that "Scientologists are those who refuse to be victims." I don't think it's helpful to accept the cult's black PR that's put on "victims," but to accept the term. Being a victim, does not mean that a person doesn't fight back, or isn't a great warrior against the victimizers. Victims deal with their victimization in a number of ways, some very courageous. The victimizers hate courageous victims more than any other "class" or "classification."

"Cult opponent" is a good, useful term in many contexts in the war. It implies action or activism greater than criticism, and it doesn't say whether the opponent is an "ex-member" of the cult or not. In the War Against Suppressive Persons (WASP), all wog warriors are both victims and opponents.
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Post by SchwimmelPuckel » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:14 pm

lermanet_com wrote:Man I wish Hubbard was alive...I''d waterboard him. (water is blue)
No it isn't! It's colorless... But that's easily remedied by waterboarding him in a blue bucket.

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Post by ladayla » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:35 pm

I didn't know all that about the color 'blue'. But now that I do, I think that early on, when we had a PC Report sheet or some such thing, we were asked if the Preclear's eyes changed color. I suppose that if the PCs eyes looked blue, or bluer, it was a sign that they had become hypnotized.

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Post by caroline » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:23 pm

ladayla wrote:I didn't know all that about the color 'blue'. But now that I do, I think that early on, when we had a PC Report sheet or some such thing, we were asked if the Preclear's eyes changed color. I suppose that if the PCs eyes looked blue, or bluer, it was a sign that they had become hypnotized.

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Modern Management Technology Defined by L. Ron Hubbard wrote:BLUE-EYED BOY, an employee who in the eyes of other employees is considered to be receiving preferential treatment by management.
Modern Management Technology Defined by L. Ron Hubbard wrote:BLUE, 1. the color for ethics upstat folders per LRH Ethics Program No. 1 (FO 2366) 2.the comcenter copy of a communication. (HTLTAE, p. 118)
Modern Management Technology Defined by L. Ron Hubbard wrote:BLUE FLAG, all Flag personnel wear a small blue flag no longer than three-quarters of an inch, which can be a blue bunting or felt rectangle, or a made-up Commodore's flag in metal on their right collar tab or right breast. (FO 1)
Modern Management Technology Defined by L. Ron Hubbard wrote:BLUE LANYARD, Commodore's personal staff wear a blue lanyard with uniform B. With dress uniform they wear a blue and
gold woven cord over the right shoulder. (FO 467)
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Post by Sea Horse » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:29 pm

And BLUE is the color flash for paper and other colorings for Division 7, the Management Division.
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