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"...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss
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- L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967


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Swift, you are depopularising yourself by being a jerk. You don't need any conspiratorial help there. The fact is that people are sick & tired of you and are speaking out. It seems this cycle repeats itself every couple of months.

As far as I know there is no "tag team" bent on destroying you. There is no need. You are like DM and are doing a damn fine job on your own of looking like a righteous turd.

Besides, if there really was an OSA tag team sent here to destroy a critic, why the hell would they waste energy on you. There are much bigger fish in this pond than you Swift.

Look at some of your recent posts. I mean really look at them. The name calling, the sexual perversion, the venom spitting, the generalisations and the endless "speculations". Yet you are soo much better than SM or Juju????? I've yet to see a post by either of these two that comes anywhere near your level of vileness.

You should go back to what you do best. Go play a video game, read a book or watch a movie. It seems that's what you spend most of your time on anyway.


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"A housewife who does not have professional level skill in
Scientology could not expect to run a wholly successful family or keep
order in her neighborhood and keep her family well. A factory foreman
could not possibly handle his crews with full effectiveness without
professional Scientology skill. The personal assistant to a
corporation executive could not do a fully effective job without being
a professional Scientologist. A corporation president without a
[Scientology] certificate will someday fail. And the head of a country
would go to pieces if he didn't know Scientology from the pro angle."

[LRH, "What We Expect Of A Scientologist", Ability magazine issue
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J. Swift wrote:
The Scientologists who attack me -- and some of them pose as "regular people" here at OCMB -- are very nasty people who worship L. Ron Hubbard as God.


A number of people who are in a good position to know have already informed Swift that no one worships LRH. Yet he still insists on his favorite lie, here.

(Snip HCO release about how to wage war)

J. Swift wrote:
This is quite bizarre on Scientology's part. It wants to make itself what people want. Yet the Scienobots here like juju and SuzanneMarie have defended the behavior of disgraced US Congressman Mark Foley and also subscribe to the Scientology plans for a genocide against non-Scientologists. This is the kind of mindset that Scientologists possess. They plan to conquer the world and will attack all people who get in their way. The critics here at OCMB expose Scientology and so we are routinely attacked online. The attacks get very personal and the Scientologists have tried to get people fired from the jobs, harassed them, plastered their neighborhoods with hate flyers. It gets worse and worse. All you need to do is to google "Scientology Fair Game" and read.

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Two more big fat lies from Swift. Juju and I never defended Foley or
other such predators. Swift is up on his soapbox about a non-existent genocide plan. We've covered this ground before.

Swift wrote: "It gets worse and worse."

And higher and deeper and smellier, each time he posts.


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Hubbard's Mushroom wrote:
"A housewife who does not have professional level skill in
Scientology could not expect to run a wholly successful family or keep
order in her neighborhood and keep her family well. A factory foreman
could not possibly handle his crews with full effectiveness without
professional Scientology skill. The personal assistant to a
corporation executive could not do a fully effective job without being
a professional Scientologist. A corporation president without a
[Scientology] certificate will someday fail. And the head of a country
would go to pieces if he didn't know Scientology from the pro angle."

[LRH, "What We Expect Of A Scientologist", Ability magazine issue
136]


Mushie,

If the above quote is copyright material and you have posted it without permission, then you are exposing the Admin of this site to legal liability.

Why don't you find out how to post URLs and stop wasting bandwidth as Andreas has asked in the FAQ? Or better still, quit posting off-topic cut & paste in hopes of de-railing theads?


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What's your problem SuzzaneMarie?

I am merely posting your Lord and Master
L. Ron Hubbard's words.

How could Hubtoad's brilliance ever be considered
a waste of bandwidth?


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Could it be that Hubtoad's blubberings make
scienos look really stooopid?


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The Mother of all Dumbasses wrote:
What's your problem SuzzaneMarie?

I am merely posting your Lord and Master
L. Ron Hubbard's words.

How could Hubtoad's brilliance ever be considered
a waste of bandwidth?


If you post copywritten material without permission you are exposing Andreas to liability for what you have done.

But don't let that stop ya!!!

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Don't worry,
I won't.
Andreas is a big boy.

And a much better person than L. Ron Hubbard your Lord
and master of all universes and your slavemaster for
a billion years.


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Why, SuzzaneMarie!
If you read this website you might notice that Andreas
has Hubtoad's blatherings posted all over this site.
Oh my!
And for 10 years now!


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The Cretinous Fungus Woman wrote:
Don't worry,
I won't.
Andreas is a big boy.

And a much better person than L. Ron Hubbard your Lord
and master of all universes and your slavemaster for
a billion years.



I take it you and Andreas have discussed this? (You exposing him to legal liability)

See OCMB FAQ "Post in your own original words and don't forward text you can easily link to."

Don't you know how to post a link?


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L. Ron Hubbard on his call for genocide against non-Scientologists:

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"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow...

"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the tone scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered. It is not necessary to produce a world of clears in order to have a reasonable and worthwhile social order; it is only necessary to delete those individuals who range from 2.0 down, either by processing them enough to get their tone level above the 2.0 line - a task which, indeed, is not very great, since the amount of processing in many cases might be under fifty hours, although it might also in others be in excess of two hundred - or simply quarantining them from the society...

"A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country."


ref: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/germany/quotes.html

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It is very revealing that SuzanneMarie is now arguing copyrights to hide the lies and horror of L. Ron Hubbard, her Lord and God.

L. Ron was a Satanist who declared to his followers in secret that he was the Antichrist spoken of in the Book of the Revelation of St. Johm the Divine, commonly known as the Book of Revelations. Hubbard's declaration of himself as the Antichrist was brought to the light. This is something else that Scientology does not want you to know about:

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*No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where various events are predicted. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in which the arch-enemy of Christ, referred to as the anti-Christ, will reign and his opinions will have sway ... this anti-Christ represents the forces of Lucifer (literally, the "light-bearer" or "light-bringer"), Lucifer being a mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment.... My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise represented by this brief anti-Christ period.

-- L. Ron Hubbard, Student Briefing, OT VIII Series I

ref: http://libertytothecaptives.net/hubbards_mission_usher_in_nwo.html

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J. Swift wrote:
L. Ron Hubbard on his call for genocide against non-Scientologists:

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"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow...

"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the tone scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered. It is not necessary to produce a world of clears in order to have a reasonable and worthwhile social order; it is only necessary to delete those individuals who range from 2.0 down, either by processing them enough to get their tone level above the 2.0 line - a task which, indeed, is not very great, since the amount of processing in many cases might be under fifty hours, although it might also in others be in excess of two hundred - or simply quarantining them from the society...

"A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country."


ref: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/germany/quotes.html

*****

It is very revealing that SuzanneMarie is now arguing copyrights to hide the lies and horror of L. Ron Hubbard, her Lord and God.

L. Ron was a Satanist who declared to his followers in secret that he was the Antichrist spoken of in the Book of the Revelation of St. Johm the Divine, commonly known as the Book of Revelations. Hubbard's declaration of himself as the Antichrist was brought to the light. This is something else that Scientology does not want you to know about:

Quote:
*No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where various events are predicted. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in which the arch-enemy of Christ, referred to as the anti-Christ, will reign and his opinions will have sway ... this anti-Christ represents the forces of Lucifer (literally, the "light-bearer" or "light-bringer"), Lucifer being a mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment.... My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise represented by this brief anti-Christ period.

-- L. Ron Hubbard, Student Briefing, OT VIII Series I

ref: http://libertytothecaptives.net/hubbards_mission_usher_in_nwo.html

/


As I've said before, no one worships LRH. Swift has posted an excerpt from a forged advisory in support of his utterly stupid argument that LRH was the AntiChrist or considered himself the AntiChrist. Why not admit the truth? CoS attorney Helena Kobrin declined to ask for copyright protection of the forged document, termed it 'garbage,' and here is Swift presenting it as straight from source. If Jesse Prince demurs, let him. I'd believe Kobrin before Prince any day.

My own opinion of Revelations is that some events foretold have already come to pass, during World War II. The Beast was the Axis forces, who wore the triskelion of the royal house of Japan, or the swastika, both of which could be read as repetitions of the Hebrew letter 'waw' which corresponds to the Greek letter six. Hence '666.'


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Suzzane marie,
get with the times...

666 wrong number
of prophetic beast?
Newly examined Scripture fragment lends credence to argument it's 616
Posted: May 8, 2005
2:17 p.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

For centuries, people have been intrigued by the number 666, the "number of the beast" from the Book of Revelation in the New Testament.

Not only is it mentioned in the Bible, it has been associated with the Satanism, universal price codes and the game of roulette, as the numbers on the wheel add up to 666.

Now, the legendary number is getting a fresh look, as researchers are re-examining evidence the number may actually be 616.


Fragment from Book of Revelation mentions 616 in the third line – chi, iota, sigma (courtesy Egypt Exploration Society)

In the King James Version of the Bible, the well-known verse of Revelation 13:18 reads:

"Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

While many Bible have footnotes saying the number translated from the original Greek could be 616, experts say new photographic evidence of an ancient fragment of papyrus from Revelation indeed indicates the number is indeed 616, instead of 666.

Scholars in England have been using modern technology to scour some 400,000 bits of papyri which were originally discovered in 1895 at a dump outside the ancient Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus. Many of the sections have been damaged and discolored, but an imaging process is shedding new light on the sacred text, believed to have originally been penned by John, one of Jesus' 12 apostles.

"This is a very nice piece to find," Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, told Canada's National Post. "Scholars have argued for a long time over this, and it now seems that 616 was the original number of the beast."

The papyrus in the spotlight is believed to be from about 300 A.D.

"This is very early confirmation of that number, earlier than any other text we've found of that passage," Aitken said. "It's probably about 100 years before any other version."

The main researcher promoting the 616 claim is David Parker, professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham in England.

"This is an example of gematria, where numbers are based on the numerical values of letters in people's names," Parker told the UK's Independent. "Early Christians would use numbers to hide the identity of people who they were attacking: 616 refers to the Emperor Caligula."

Many commentators have gone with later copies of text which assign the number 666 to "the beast," believed by some to be the End-time world power.

Some have also linked 666 with Nero, the ancient Roman emperor known for persecuting Christians.

Parker points out the possibility of 616 was considered by the second century church father Irenaeus, who rejected it.

Regarding this new text, Parker told Britain's Church Times, "This adds weight to those who believe that it is a reference to Caligula's attempt to desecrate the Temple in Jerusalem, by having his statue erected there as part of the cult of emperor worship.

"There may be a reference to it in Mark [13:14], where he refers to the 'the abomination of desolation.' But this was overlaid by the Neronian persecutions. People believed that you could get from '666' to Nero because in Greek he is the emperor Neron Caesar. And 666 is one number less than the perfect 777. The text [showing 616] is quite legible to the naked eye. It was published in 1999, but it has taken people time to catch up."

The National Post quotes Elijah Dan, professor of philosophy and religion at the University of Toronto, as saying the new number won't likely have an impact in the popularity of 666.

"Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it. It just shows you that when you study something as cryptic and mystic as the Book of Revelation there's an almost unlimited number of interpretations."


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Still the same old story eh SM! Can't deal with your own messiah's words!

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