For some time I've been getting calls, and e-mails from
Children of Scientologists. There is nothing quite as sad as a child reaching out, missing their own parents, up against the mafia-like organization called "The church <gack> of Scientology". They know there is something wrong, some have lived with it for years and years.

Obviously the worst cases are
a) Their parents/family members are on staff
or
b) Their parents/family members are "OT's".

I would like to share some of their comments with you all,
as I feel those lurking have a responsibility they are NOT
taking care of, re their own children. Here are just some of the comments I've heard:

"My Mom/Dad/Brother/Sister is in Scientology, and I want to talk with them, but each time I'm honest, they clam up.
What should I do?"

"I really miss my Mom/Dad/Brother/Sister---how can I get them back? or "What happened to them?"

"For years I've know Scientology was creepy, but I don't know how to help my family. Can you help me?"

"My parents/family get mad at me any time I tell how I feel---but I know if I tell them how I *really* feel, they've threatened to disconnect from me. What should I do?"

"My parents always make *me* wrong, when ever I ask them just basic questions about Hubbard lying, or Scientology taking ALL their money, or they not being able to even watch one video. All the do is make EVERYONE on the net wrong. How can they be so out of it?"

"My Mom/Dad/Brother/Sister and I used to be SO close,
but ever since they've gotten into Scientology, I can feel they choose that over me. I miss them, how can I get them back?"


These are just a few of literally hundreds of spoken words I've had with family members. Of course there is also the parents who have lost their children, and that too is terribly sad.

Why do I post this? Well, Frankly, Scientology is *always* selling "Responsibility"---yet they rarely practice it, themselves. This was a key thing I noticed with DM and gang, while on their next to the top level: OT 7.

These stories are perfect examples of parents, choosing some mafia like organization (Scientology) over their own children. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU! You're not "OT"---you've sold your souls to a gang of thieves who don't give a rats ass about you, really, except for your $$$$. Don't believe me? Cut um off for a year, and see where their "caring" lies...for real.

Trust me: No $$$$ in Scientology=
"you're a DB (Degraded Being)
"you're "PTS" (a potential trouble source).
Remember: I KNOW these drills. I know what they'll tell
you: "Well, your kid is antagonistic to Scientology,
so that line needs to be CUT, or you need to handle her
or him." BULLSHIT. If you're OT, why can't you be honest? If you're OT, why can't you communicate, for real?

If you're OT, why is it you're ALWAYS running someone else's programs? You KNOW what's right, don't you?

Why can't you DO IT?

Think for yourself, and please, take responsibility for your kids---and that isn't, "Don't talk to Tory". I only tell them to be kind to you, that attacking what you think is a religion will never work, so don't fall back on that one. FACE THE FACTS:
You're NOT "OT" If you can't even get honest, really honest, with your own family.

Stop lying, to yourself,and others. Help your kids.

My best to you

--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 6 years!
X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA Volunteer after 20 years (Mostly in PR)
Executive Director of SPL to handle media
X-Top Secret OSA Int Internet Mafia, Until I realized what they were really doing and soon after left C of S forever.
For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
a "Suppressive Person" (SP 6 ^Cumulative Cluster
& Expelled me from The Church of $cientology
Free at LAST!
www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know)
www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos)
www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS)
www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia)
or Type in Scientology in Google
(Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)

magoo44@charter.net
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(818) 588-3044

"They, who give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin

Tory

Great post and so sad and true.

I have a good friend whom I helped a lot when she went through a very hard time.
I babysat her children many times, kept her dog at my place for almost a year until she could take him back, gave her some financial help to tie her over and more.
I did all of the above because I love her and I was able to do it.

I left the cult and we still keep in touch. We do not discuss the cult because she is still in (even though she doesn't have the money to hardly do anything).

One day she said that if I was ever declared an SP she'll have to disconnect from me to which I said that it would be all her loss and asked her to think about it.

I think that it is very sad that they cannot think for themselves.

Opter

Opter,

Thanks! I agree with you, fully. It's a total shame.

One nice thing, though, is someone who was a child of Scientology, who's been out for some years, called me today. She was extremely nice, said she lurks here often,
and many of your posts have helped her. See? Ya never know when your words may be being read. (hugs to her).

My best to all,

Tory/Magoo~~

Thank you Tory

This is such a compliment.

I wish her only the best and I am so glad she is out.

Opter

When my husband "officially" left the cult, few terminals and publics suggested/told me to leave him.

My favourite auditor-she wasn't my auditor on this spesific cycle- also told me to leave my husband to which I said that there was no way I was going or could do such a thing.
She said that it wasn't too hard to do. She disconnected from her daughter when her daughter blew the SO.
I asked her if she was not interested in what was happening with her daughter and she said: NO to which I just said: oh.
To myself I thought that it was sssoooooooooo sssaaaadddd.

Opter

I knew one kid - seven or eight years old. His parents were on staff and he was out in the street in raggedy clothes, dirty face and unsupervised while they 'helped Ron' with whatever that old **** needed help with.

Hey, a choice between 'LRH' and your kids is no contest and a no-brainer and no, the choice isn't 'LRH.'

I hope I'm not undoing your good work, Tory. While I was reading it all I could think was, "Go, Tory!"

Weiber..........

How are you undoing my good works? By saying, "Go Tory" and dancing?
Nawwwwwwww...never. You know me by now

It *is* sad to think of kids being left behind, due to this supposed "religion" which really isn't AT ALL. That very sentence says it ALL.

Kids left behind .........under ANY circumstances..........isn't religious.
To the parents who have done so:
Sorry: Go to JAIL, No PASS. lllllllll

My best,

Tory/Magoo~~~8)

It should be fairly obvious that you will not convince someone their religion is a bunch of BS. They will need to come to that conclusion themselves and forcing it on them almost always has the opposite effect you want. I had this done to me and I responded just like a good cultie would do. And then I went to the DSAto get the "true" data, and after that I was SURE it was all lies, further cementing in my mind that I was right.

Apart from the craziness and non-results I saw while in, one thing that had a noticeable and subtle effect on me was seeing how those on the outside were doing. From one in the SO, I envied those with free time doing fun things, not always stressed out about productivity and stats. These could be wogs but more often it was public who would talk about their outside life. The initial attitude of mine might be they were not on purpose and didn't get it, but also there was that bit of missing the freedom they enjoyed. I'll bet you others had similar thoughts as mine, of course, no one can dare admit it,

One thing you could do is just let them know how much FUN you are having, the things you are involved in and interested in. An SO cultie wants you to be miserably, suffering in life with no answers to all your problems. Show them you are flourishing and prospering fine without Scientology. It's a slow but a sublime and subtle method, but the hammer over the head method just makes them retreat into the shell. The indoctrination process was gradual and self-realized, so will the reversal of this. But once they realize it, the floodgates will open up.

No 8-c now

Good post.

When I was on staff I used to think that public people who didn't join staff were clever and strong because they didn't succumb to all the pressure that was put on them to join staff.
As public they had more freedom (not as much as wogs but more freedom than staff members had) and they could enjoy many more things in their life.

When I finished being on staff, I used to feel extremely sorry for staff members because of what I experienced as a staff member.
The stats, the pressure to produce more and more and you feel that they ask you to get water from a rock because how else can I produce more, the ethics that is used as intimidation for you to tow the line, the looong hours on post,the being taken for granted, having to go to all the events and so on. Yuch

Of course, it is much worse in the SO and if you blow from there then you'll be declared an SP.

Opter

I can't tell you how many people have written me, telling me:
"You are THE FIRST **Happy** X-Scientologist I've ever seen.

Well, now, many years later, I think they've been able to say more,
but when I first left, that's what I heard more than anything else.

Thanks for your post, and Opters

Tory/Magoo~~

Erh, Tory.. I don't think Ex Scios are unhappy generally! - But then, I don't think that's what you mean to say either. I'm Happy to have gotten out of that crap, I assure you!

Funny little story that is not intirely on topic here..

In a conversation yesterday with a colleque Cof$ came up. I naturally spewed a crapload of entheta about it.. He told me that he has two little sisters. The youngest one got into $cientology and started to disseminate in her family. That didn't work too well, so she disconnected from all those antago family members.. Usual story there.

But then the older sister let herself be recruited. This was a after a family crisis meet where the plan was formulated. The older sister did courses and pretended to be a scio. She could then speak to the little one.. After a couple of months they both got out again!

SP:



No, I wasn't saying X-Scientologists are unhappy, I said people had written me saying I was the first X-Scientologist they had seen who looked happy.

Now let's look at that: When I first left, and ended up in "Magoo: Dancing in Boston", I was I think the first X-Scientologist (not even X then, just someone who had left)----who had made a video, or was part of it, after leaving, that ended up on the Net.

Most other public views were from interviews, usually quite serious in nature....so that may have been it. Oh yeah...there were the pickets, but that was something different in nature.

That's my 2 cents on it

I'm happy to say MOST X-Scientologits I know, or people I know who still consider themselves Scientologists, but are out, are quite happy, indeed.

And that's great~

My best,

Tory/Magoo~~8)

Heh.. And you sure did come across happy in that video "Magoo: Dancing in Boston"! - Wonderful. I enjoyed that profusely when I watched it!

Reflecting on this.. I was happy when I made the decision to quit, blew and had my leisurely walk in the town. That day has to be one of the best days in my life! - I'm not kidding!

I've seen others report this 'happy key out' on leaving. Looks to be a pretty common 'win'... So we learn that the best 'win' to be gained from $cientology is getting the hell out!

Like drowning in quicksand. Such a relief to get out!

I got that too, when I drove away.

The cult phobias were completely overridden with a feeling of peace, calm, well being and just plain happiness; hard to describe really.

It just feels so good to be out of that cult.

It breaks my heart to read what kids have said. No child should have to go through that. What is worse, is when kids or other family members are declaired SPs (Supressive Persons) and are disconnected from. Even loved ones choosing the church, sorry, Cult of Scientology, over kids is bad enough. At least Magoo, you have the courage to answer their calls for help and offer words of compasion, wisom and comfort. I commend your efforts for that. Unfortunately there is only so much one person can do. More people have to reach out and say let me help you... I do sincerely hope and pray these kids are alright and they are getting help.