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Post by Demented LRH » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:48 pm

“The CLAM is deadly incident but mostly when recollected on purpose… The Clam was, of course, quite thoroughly fixed to the rocks. The Clam had many troubles. One hinge wishes to stay open, the other tries to close. Thus conflict occurs. Here we gave two control centers, both more or less equal in power, having no internal communication. The solution occurs when one hinge goes into apathy, and the other assumes complete control.
The hinge epicenters later became the hinges of the human jaw. Should you desire to confirm this, describe to some uninitiated person the death of clam without saying what you are describing. “Can you imagine a clam sitting on the beach, opening and closing its shell very rapidly?” (Make a motion with your thumb and forefinger of a rapid opening and closing). The victim may grip his jaws with his hand and feel quite upset. He may even have to have a few teeth pulled. At the very least, he will argue as to whether or not the shell stays open in the end or closed. And he will, with no hint of the death aspect of it, talk about the “poor clam” and he will feel quite emotionally about it”.
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

Two control centers symbolize two different personalities occupying the same body. This confirms the findings that I included in the previous post -- LRH had split personality disorder.

But this is not all. Let’s take a look at the phrase “The solution occurs when one hinge goes into apathy, and the other assumes complete control“. Even though this is an illusionary content, the word “apathy” confirms that LRH was suffering from depression, which was reflected in his hallucinations. Actually, he admitted in the letter to VA that he was suffering from what he called “moroseness”.

Another key phrase is “Should you desire to confirm this, describe to some uninitiated person the death of clam without saying what you are describing“. Apparently, LRH saw himself dying in the body of a clam. Even though this is a hallucination, its content indicates that LRH had suicidal desires. In the same letter to VA LRH wrote that he has suicidal thoughts.

Now, let’s analyze the phrase “One hinge wishes to stay open, the other tries to close. Thus conflict occurs. Here we gave two control centers, both more or less equal in power, having no internal communication“.

This is an impasse, which is a manifestation of inability to move freely. Indeed, being obese, LRH had a difficulty of moving his fat body, which was reflected in his hallucinations in a distorted form.

“The birds. Sometimes a subject will come up with an incident where he was a bird or even a bat… This one belongs not in the GE, but most likely in the theta line with the subject taking over the body of a bird or a bat. The incident is quite valid”.
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

The bats with their swift movements and sharp teeth (some breeds of this animal are vampires) symbolize fear. Clearly, LRH’s hallucinations struck fear into him.
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Post by Demented LRH » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:28 pm

“A thetan puts a retractor beam on another thetan and starts to drag out his facsimiles. The victim feels like he is going to pieces. He, the victim, puts up a black screen to halt the outflow of the facsimiles”.
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

A hallucination depicting a theft of the objects is based on a real-life incident of stealing someone’s property and subsequent severe punishment.

It appears that young Lafe was caught either shoplifting or stealing something from his family members, and afterwards was brutally beaten by his father or mother or prudish grandmother. When LRH grew up, the beating incident popped up in the form of an evil spirit (thetan) hallucination.

“Nipping is a practice much beloved by thetans. They send put two energy streams, like hands, and slap both sides of a victim’s head”.
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

The interpretation of this hallucination is very simple -- as a child, LRH was repeatedly struck in the head by his “loved ones”. As an adult, he saw his relatives as evil spirits when he was hallucinating.

“This incident consists of throwing oneself, as a thetan, over another thetan, or over a MEST body. Blanketing is done to obtain an emotional impact or even to kill.
It is strongest in sexual incidents, where the thetan throws MEST bodies together in the sexual act in order to express their emotions”.
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

This is one of a very rare Hubbard hallucinations pertaining to sex. Because of rarity of these hallucinations we have concluded that he was not sexually abused as a child. The source of this hallucination lies in Hubbard’s childhood masturbations. As LRH wrote in The Admissions, his masturbations were long and exhaustive. By receiving instant gratification in the form of masturbations, LRH tried to dull the pain caused by physical abuse in the hands of his parents.
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Post by Demented LRH » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:11 pm

“ Where he [the child] has been told that he is bad looking, ridiculous, unmannerly, crude and so forth by his parents continually, his reactive mind (which, like a prostitute, cares nothing for its master and serves anyone) eventually causes him to lose his viewpoint and he sees himself not by observation but by evaluation as something undesirable. Of course, he would rather be something than nothing. He has, indeed, a horror of being nothing. So it is better to be something ugly about which he is guessing than to be nothing at all, and so he persists and continues as he is”.
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability.

Here LRH described his childhood ever so eloquently; he suffered a great deal in the hands of his parents and overzealous granny. He refers to the “reactive mind”, but any psychiatrist would tell you that he was referring to the inner self. He compares himself to a prostitute who cares for no one. This motto of not caring for anyone LRH carried for his entire life; the motto itself is the basis of his sociopath behavior. With his Scientology that didn’t do any good for anyone LRH was an anti-social whore who tried to convinced her clients that she can provide the best sex that the mankind had ever known. Like a high-priced hooker, he was charging exuberant money for the useless Bridge processing.

As it sometimes happens to the victims of childhood abuse, they hold the grudge against the whole world, not just against their parents. At the same time they desperately need parental approval even when they have children of their own.

This constant horror of being nothing haunted LRH the entire life. He thought that it is better to be ugly (in his case, LRH’s unattractiveness was his excessive body weight, drab clothing and incoherent speech) than to be nothing. He tried to avoid this “nothingness” by bragging about his nonexistent achievements in the fields of horticulture, nuclear physics, music, fine arts, archeology, history, philosophy, etc. But it never worked either for him or for other sociopaths.
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Post by Demented LRH » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:25 pm

As a rule, the hallucinations do not come from nowhere -- they are based on real-life events. A hallucination could be classified as a twisted memory of a real event. This memory is so distorted that it is not always possible to determine the underlying event. However, in LRH’s case the underlying events are transparent.

But what about hallucinations about supernatural creatures such as vampires, zombies, gremlins, etc? Are they also based on real events? Of course they are -- they are based on scary movies! Several horror movies formed the basis of LRH’s hallucinations, although majority of his hallucinations are the reflections of domestic child abuse.

“When MEST bodies tried to invade and take over an area, they usually wound up enslaved to the thetans in that area. And the thetans used them horribly. The invader sometimes came in with electronics, his only defense against the thetan. The thetans quite ordinary took the electronics over and used them on the MEST bodies”.
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

This is not the only passage from A History of Man where LRH talks about the tortures that require some form of electricity; in fact, roughly 30% of the track incidents are electricity-based. There is a horrible truth behind this “electric” hallucinations -- as a child, LRH was subjected to numerous electric shocks, the torture was most likely conducted by his father and, probably, grandmother. In these hallucinations LRH sees himself as a defenseless MEST body, and his torturers as all-powerful thetans.

“When this treatment is done, the preclear is dumped in scalding water, then immediately in ice water… He was quite swollen after the pummeling of the waves and generally kept in a badly run hospital for a few days”.
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

There is a well-known child torture performed by the religious zealots -- a child’s hand is dipped into a boiling water for several seconds in order to let him preview the tortures that he will be subjected to in Hell in case he disobeys the parents. Clearly, young Lafe was subjected to this torture. It is also apparent that he was taken to a hospital several times when his hand was badly burned.
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Post by Demented LRH » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:29 pm

“The Coffee-Grinder is a two-handled portable machine which, when turned, emit’s a heavy push-pull electronic wave in a series of stuttering “baps“. It is violently restimulated by what construction companies call “window-makers” -- pneumatic drills of the kind used to tear up payment. The sound is not dissimilar”.
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

The Coffee-Grinder is a distorted image of a belt with a buckle that LRH’s father was using to punish his son (the psychiatrists know that a patient who hallucinates about a violent push-pull action of any kind was physically abused by his parent(s) who were using either a stick or a belt to torment him). In military families with abusive parents the torture device of choice was the belt with a heavy buckle.

The sound of a pneumatic drill that LRH heard while hallucinating stemmed from his own cries for help that he was making when his father was beating him with a belt.

“The entities seem to be most interested in keeping data away from the thetan, convincing him he has done wrong. Each entity claims to have had a function that was very specialized”
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

It is known that a hallucination about some sort of data which has been stolen from the patient indicates that in early childhood the parents used to take the toys away from the baby in order to punish him. Each entity (father, mother, grandmother, etc) had participated in the punishment for its own reason.

“You will find entities lie, cheat, hold out data and generally neurotic or psychotic”
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

The hallucinatory entities represent the baby LRH relatives who took away his toys and made false promises such as telling him that they will take him to a Zoo, read children books to him, take good care of him, etc.; they are also the psychotics who punished him for no reason.
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Post by Demented LRH » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:38 pm

“The being is packed in ice, is taken to the new area and is usually dumped in the ocean. Your preclear, if he has this one in restimulation, has very cold hands and feet chronically”
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man.

It is quite possible that this hallucination relates to the childhood incident that made LRH hallucinate.

Physical abuse alone doesn’t make the victim hallucinate. But when its is combined with sensory deprivation, the results could be devastating.

A well-known example of harmless sensory deprivation would be placing the subject in a dark cave. After 3-4 hours the subject begins experiencing audio hallucinations -- he hears imaginary noises such as the ones made by the water drops falling from the ceiling, for instance. After 5 days of solitude he starts getting visual hallucinations. However, these hallucinations are harmless-- they stop as soon as he leaves the cave, and they never come back.

If a child is placed in a closet as a punishment for his transgressions, sooner or later he begins hallucinating. The hallucinations stop after he is released from the confined place. However, if he is subjected to frequent beatings followed by placement into a closet, he will inevitably begin hallucinating under normal conditions because of the tremendous stress that his fragile psyche is subjected to.

In LRH’s hallucination the ice cube, which is a very confined place, is a distorted image of the closet that he was kept in during the hours of torment. It seems plausible to suggest that the confinement and physical torture were the causes of LRH’s hallucinations. However, we cannot say this with 100% certainty -- LRH may have been born with a genetic defect that was the cause of his hallucinations. Unfortunately, we will never know if LRH was genetically defective because no genetic testing was performed on him.

Statistically speaking, the possibility that unnatural family life in conjunction with genetic predisposition to hallucinations was the cause of LRH’s hallucinations is 10 times higher than the possibility of him having a genetic defect.

NOTE: People with certain genetic defects will become mentally ill regardless of their lifestyle. But those who are genetically predisposed to mental illnesses may or may not become sick depending on their surroundings. Majority of such people have normal lives and never become mentally ill, only a small percentage become ill due to improper upbringing and other factors such as psychological stress, etc.
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Post by Demented LRH » Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:29 pm

“ This implant is very interesting. The preclear is seated before a wheel which contains numbers of pictures. As the wheel turns, these pictures go away from him. He is moved aside to the right, the left, the back”.
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man, 109

As a child, LRH used to receive nasty blows to the head that were making him dizzy; most likely, his father and grandmother were punishing him for the transgressions. When LRH grew up, he begun getting prolonged hallucinations that made his head spin; usually, such hallucinations are accompanied with the vomiting. The last sentence of the quotation describes trajectories of the vomit projectiles.

“The report are [implant stations] for most has been Mars. Some women report to stations elsewhere in the solar system. There are occasional instances about Earth report stations. The last Martian report station on Earth was established in the Pyrenees”
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man, 110

In his hallucinations LRH visited various planets, which symbolizes his childhood desire to get away from the abusive family as far as possible. But the desires alone do not serve as a basis of the hallucinations, which means that Lafe was a little runaway. Eventually he got caught and was subjected to even more gruesome tortures (in his hallucinations he returned to an Earth location, the Pyrenees, where he was tortured again).
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Post by Wieber » Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:41 pm

Workability: One of the mantras and promotional phrases used in Scientology is, "Scientology works." In Scientology you will see, read and hear that and variations on that again and again.

Does Scientology work?

I think it does work but to ends that a person involved in it may not know about. That's a whole other subject and I'm not going to deal with it here. There are stated benefits that are promised quite publicly on Scientololgy's Grade Chart. One is told, pay an amount or do the work to get the 'tech,' apply that 'tech' and you will get the indicated result.

But to paraphrase T. S. Eliot, between the promise and the delivery falls the shadow. The technology of Scientology is such that the promised result doesn't always occur.

Hubbard has written much on why this is the case. Foremost is his now famous policy letter titled Keeping Scientology Working, often abbreviated as "KSW." (Thanks Tom. "Woosh!") There are many reasons Hubbard has given as to why the technology doesn't work or why the promised results do not get delivered. His successor, David Miscavige, has added a few of his to the list.

The reasons Scientology doesn't work include "out ethics," "out tech," being a suppressive person, being connected to a suppressive person, being out exchange with Scientology, and variants on those things. We have to make the statement with conditions added to it. Scientology works if you have your ethics in, if you have duplicated and applied L. Ron Hubbard's instructions precisely, if you have given sufficient money and time to the organization to have your exchange 'in' with it, if you are not a suppressive person, and if you are not connected to a suppressive person or one who is antagonistic to Scientology.

Alright then, let's take a look at an electric circuit with a power source, a powered device and a switch. We'll look at something you use all the time and probably take for granted. There is a light fixture in the room and somewhere else in the room there is a switch, most likely on the wall. When you move the switch to 'on' the light goes on. When you move the switch to 'off' the light goes off. If that doesn't happen the main reason is that the power source is that the circuit for some reason is not closed.

None of that has anything to do with the person activating the switch. So long as there is a power supply and the circuit is intact every time someone moves that switch the light will go on or off. The person doesn't have to know why it works, have their ethics in, not be a suppressive person, nor be connected to a suppressive person. That light switch is going to work every time.

Some time ago I parodied L. Ron Hubbard's famous policy letter with Keeping Gravity Working (KGW). The point is gravity just works. If you want to understand it better, Steven Hawking has some very interesting things to say about it in his books. You can go read those if you wish. Whether you do or not, while you are on the surface of this planet, when you put an object, with a specific gravity greater than that of air, somewhere you can be confident that it is not going to float up into the air and float away from you.

Back to one of Scientology's key mantras: Scientology works. That's why your involved with it. How has it been working for you?
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Post by Entheta You » Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:49 pm

Scientology is really 3 highly overlapping things:

1) A process which is allegedly based on science, but that can't be verified because the results can't be duplicated because

2) said process is guarded by a paranoid domineering cult masquerading as a church

3) which is actually a front for a grasping greedy corporation

Where can I volunteer to work in a Scientology soup kitchen, or homeless shelter?

How much does the church spend on charity in a typical year?

Does Scientology have a prison outreach ministry?

Can Scientology cure pedophiles?

Does Scientology ever do anything for anybody who can't pay them anything?

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Post by Demented LRH » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:38 pm

“Now and them your preclear is found :stuck in the EMANATOR. This is a large, glowing body of radioactive material which hangs magically in the air, a sort of a god, an all-knower. Its out-pulse puts one into a trance… The next life may find him knocking on the door of a psychiatrist, for he is very “lost” and “homeless and generally bewildered“. Running the Emanator sequence and loss makes all right again ”
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man, 111

Mentally ill Christian fundamentalists sometimes see God, in their hallucinations, as a glowing orb, or any other geometrical object suspended in the air. The origin of these hallucinations is traced to the statuettes of Jesus with the electric bulbs inside; children of the fundamentalists are told to pray in front of these statuettes as a form of punishment.

I saw a weird-looking statuette of Jesus once, it had humongous piercing eyes. But what seems outlandish and silly to an adult could be extremely frightening to a child, especially if he is ordered to look directly into those radiant and unforgiving eyes (God is watching you, the little sinner, the child is told). Little boy is paralyzed by the fear of God, which later transforms into a “hypnotic trance” in his adulthood hallucinations; he also sees God as a shiny object in those "visions".

By his upbringing LRH was a Christian fundamentalist who was communicating with his female guardian angel in religion-based hallucinations (read his “masterpiece”, The Admissions), he also saw God as a radiant body putting him in a trance.

Majority of the Scientologists think that there is no God in Scientology, but they are not quite right -- the god of Scientology is the 8-th dynamic, although it is not a god in usual sense of the word. This is rather LRH’s desire to see God as a nonexistent entity. But why would he bother to include God in Scientology if he wanted his followers to believe that the Supreme Being doesn’t exist? Because mentally ill people often declare the things that they are afraid of as nonexistent in attempt to overcome the paralyzing fear associated with these objects. But such declarations never work, so the carries of debilitating mental illnesses reluctantly include the frightening things into their doctrines and teachings in a vain attempt to placate them.
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Post by Demented LRH » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:14 pm

“With one boy in a trance in one place and another body here on Earth, trouble occasionally occurs.
A preclear during an operation may switch bodies. Pain and anesthetic or a serious incident causes him to change to the other area with a shocking impact on the other body. The other body is quite commonly dies or is deranged by this sudden impact. The preclear wakes up from unconsciousness on Earth and tells the fact that he has died”
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man, 112

I wrote earlier that a mentally ill patient who hallucinates about having more than one body suffers from the split personality disorder, which is one of the symptoms of several types of schizophrenia.

But there is more to it -- “a shocking impact on the [other] body” is a hallucinatory reference to real events such as the incontinence. The LRH medical records show that he was periodically suffering from incontinence. The periods of incontinence were short, no more than two days, and infrequent, once or twice a year, but when they were taking place, the Founder was wearing a diaper. Considering the size of LRH’s ass, this must have been a gigantic diaper!

“The psychotic appears to be in such desperate straits that the auditor often errs in thinking desperate measures are necessary. Use the lightest possible methods…
Work him for very brief periods, for his attention span is short. Always work psychotics with another auditor or a companion present”
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability, 232,

The above is not an LRH hallucination, it is actual medical treatment of seriously mentally ill patients. LRH knew the methodology very well because he was one of such patients. The psychiatrists who were treating LRH were treading lightly because he was very irritable and his attention span was very short. In addition to a psychiatrist two orderlies (male nurse aids) were present in the room to make sure that LRH gets properly restrained if he becomes extremely agitated or attacks the doctor.
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Post by Demented LRH » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:27 pm

“How can you trap a thetan? By curiosity, by giving him awards and prizes (of an implant), by retractor screens, by mock-ups, by ornate buildings which he will enter unsuspectingly only to be “electroned down”, by many such means the thetan is reduced from KNOWING to a colonist, to a slave, to a MEST body…
The thetan feels himself, in some traps, being drawn up to a post. He fights it with his force. It cannot be successfully fought. He succumbs”
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man, 113

Hallucinatory “awards and prizes” symbolize the toys that little Lafe was occasionally getting from his parents. But these toys were bad things because they were often taken away as a form of punishment.

“Retractor screens” symbolize the curtains that were used to keep little Lafe in darkness while he was looking at the weird statuettes of Jesus (I described one such statuette earlier) -- this was a religious punishment.

I don’t know what the Scientology term “mock-up” means, so I cannot interpret it.

The ornate buildings that some mental patients see in their hallucinations are distorted images of school building where they had undergone relentless bullying. Being a fat kid with low IQ, LRH was bullied by his more physically fit and intelligent classmates, he was called “retard” and “fatso”, among other things. His grades, which were already low, became unsatisfactory because of constant frustration, so his mother decided to home-school him.

As a teenager, LRH, probably, tried to fight off his psychotic granny. But she was helped by his much stronger father, so in his hallucinations his thetan was “fighting it with his force”, but losing the battles.

“Any as-is-ness which is altered by not-is-ness tends to persist.
Any is-ness, when altered by force, tends to persist.
That into which alter-is-ness is introduced becomes a problem”
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability, 19, 21

Often mentally ill patients write down or record the phrases that they uttered during the hallucinations because they believe that the entities such as God, gods, benevolent spirits, extraterrestrials, etc., spoke through them in attempt to reveal to them the Universal Truth or other kind of extremely important material that will save the world from impending doom, the devil, evil spirits, etc. These phrases are complete gibberish, often they contain new words that cannot be found in any dictionary. Usually these new words are the combinations of already existing words. After a person stops hallucinating, he tries to interpret those new words and even creates dictionaries of them.

In the above paragraph LRH combined the words “as”, “is”, “alter”, “not”, and the ending of certain words, “ness”, when he was in a hallucinatory state of mind. Later he tried to assign meaning to these words, which was an impossible undertaking. Basically, poor Scientologists study the meaningless material that LRH produced during the hallucinations.
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Post by Demented LRH » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:44 pm

“Time is basically a postulate that space and particles will persist”
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability, 13.

In physics time and space are independent variables that are not related to each other, so LRH’s definition of time is incorrect. More importantly, why did he give it?

People who hallucinate lose track of time during the hallucinatory state, a minute of real time may seem like a day to them, and vice versa. They confuse time with the space and objects (particles) that they see during hallucinations. Apparently, this confusion was so great for LRH that he gave utterly ridiculous definition of time.

“The highest purpose of the universe is the creation of an effect”
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability, 13.

And what effect that would be? Even LRH didn’t know it.

The Bible and other sacred books do not tell what was the purpose of creation of the universe; scientists do not know that, either (perhaps, it doesn’t have a purpose). But the delusional schizophrenics like LRH believe that someone or something revealed that purpose to them.

“The cycle of action of the physical universe is: create, survive (persist), destroy”
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability, 13.

The key word in this definition that shows the depth of LRH mental illness is “destroy”. The doomsday schizophrenics like LRH believe that they were given power to save the universe and its inhabitants from the destruction. Thus the cycle will stop if all-mighty LRH thetan will use his supernatural abilities to keep everyone safe.

What does the doomsday look like? LRH has the answer to that.

That in a world every day more violently impressed with mechanics, chaos may be expected to ensue on a national and community level by many reasons which incidentally include atomic fission. That the role of a Scientologist is to impede this disintegration if possible, but if it occurs to be ready to pick up pieces… That is the total empire to which a Scientologist aspires is the empire of wisdom”
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability, XI.

In his unbelievably idiotic book, Have You Lived Before this Life?, LRH described past lives of several preclears. My favorite story is about a 6-year-old who was looking for the brothels. Those are not LRH’s past lives. But where does this shit come from?

Roughly 1% of the Earth population suffer from severe forms of mental illnesses that have hallucinations among their symptoms. In 1950s and 1960s thousands of Americans and Brits had undergone Scientology auditing (at that time the cult was rapidly expanding; in the late 1970s the contraction begun). 1% of the preclears were mentally ill and hallucinating, they produced unbelievable “recollections” of their past lives.
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Re: What Would You Say to a Lurking Scientologist?

Post by TheGodsWatchCartoons » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:07 pm

Wieber wrote:My boilerplate message to those involved in Scientology is, "Leave Scientology and take your life back."
I second that. I'd add simply "Why did you join and why are you still there?" because I think — as with many faiths and organizations — introspection can be the key to opening the doors of more critical and rational thinking.
Karen#1 wrote:I would say

GOOGLE
Yes, even back in '06, Google was your friend. With the world so interconnected now — and especially seven years later — you can't help but find several legitimate sources that you can cross-reference for greater, eye-opening knowledge. Pretty sure that's why Scientologist sites tend to use web and email filters and such...
Demented LRH wrote:“Time is basically a postulate that space and particles will persist”
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability, 13.

In physics time and space are independent variables that are not related to each other, so LRH’s definition of time is incorrect. More importantly, why did he give it?
You said it more eloquently, but preeeeetty sure the dude was high. As you said, a "delusional schizophrenic" — and a greedy one.

"I’d like to start a religion. That’s where the money is."
- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983
(http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/5.htm)

And who could forget this little early internet gem? (Mind the quote at 0:53. It may differ from the one above and others on the subject, but I'd like to point out that several verified, academically acceptable first- and second-hand sources have cited Hubbard as saying the same danged thing.)
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Re: What Would You Say to a Lurking Scientologist?

Post by Demented LRH » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:16 pm

”Do not explain, justify or make excuse for any auditor mistakes whether real or imagined”
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability, 3.

Obviously, if a mistake is imagined (the right word would be “imaginary”), then it is not a mistake. But LRH could not distinguish between real mistakes and nonexistent ones, which shows that his mental state had deteriorated beyond the repair at the time this book was written (it was published in 1954)

“Estimate the current case of your preclear with reality and do not process another imagined case”
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability, 3.

Like many mentally ill patients prone to hallucinations, LRH made vain attempts to distinguish realty from hallucinations, he even thought that some cases could be imaginary. But at the same time he defined all cases as real (see his definition of reality as a some sort of agreement between the participants). Because of his very limited intellectual ability LRH didn’t provide a definition of imaginary events thus making the whole Scientology doctrine completely useless.

“Sometimes a thetan is taken off a theta trap and out into a field which makes him fight again with attention units. The purpose of this field is to is to make him resist the force and to resist it so as to mold him. Out of his attention units he “builds” a body. Later he is given short shots through the places where the joints are supposed to be and is generally tailored into a body”.
L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man, 114

As a fat and unintelligent kid LRH was subjected to relentless bullying in the school. He tried to “resist the force” by confronting the bullies, but they prevailed, and so did the “field” in his hallucinations. LRH tried to build a new body by using some kind of bodybuilding technique, but that didn’t work either -- he was receiving body blows from his tormentors, these blows were transformed into “short shots through the places where the joints are supposed to be” in his hallucinations. This indicates that his adversaries preferred to punch him in the hands and legs rather than in the face.
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