Os, Mr_Bad, Dr. Shannon and all, thank you for everything you've posted here. This is the kind of discussion and debate that's worth partaking in mainly because of the "eye opening" factor.

Conspiracy theories...

Wern't we all lied to about the reasons for invading Iraq in the first place? Weapons of mass destruction? Saddam harboring and subsidizing terrorism on the US and other countries? Yup, all proven to be false reasons thus the Bush administration's approval ratings on a steep declining trend. Remember, Saddam was put there by the USA in the first place as well as Bin Laden - CIA operative himself - all well documented for those willing to look.

Conspiracy theory:

Scientology is trying to take over the world and make an all Scientology planet and then move on to "Target 2."

Does this conspiracy need further exploration and documentation? Or is this a pretty well known fact now?

I can tell you this, and I've written about this in an earlier posting but I'll go into it again because I feel it's important for people to know about what goes on behind the scenes in the upper management of Scientology.

International stats for years were on a downtrend. It was even called the International Emergency Condition.

In about 1996, the entire Int Base was called to a briefing by the then CO CMO Int, Jenny Devocht. This was during the time when Marc Yager was first declared an SP by Miscavige which had it's own base briefing.

Jenny's briefing was titled, "Wake up and smell the Coffee!" And this briefing of course was ordered by DM to take place.

She lectured us on the fact that not one single org on the planet was doing well and it was basically our fault as Int Management that the stats were so horrible. We were shown a slide show of photographs of EVERY org at what was supposed to be PEAK production hours. Meaning, the time of day that an org should have the most "Bodies in the Shop" (the actual name of a Scientology statistic FYI).

These photos were of the Basic and Academy course rooms of every org. They were ALL, literally empty. The most was maybe 6 students in one particular org.

We were given the picture that we were not making it and that if we didn't do something about it, the end of the world was our fault. And we believed it. Imagine having the weight of the world on your shoulders. We honestly did and it felt like it.

It made me wonder if I had produced anything of value at all in the many years that I had contributed selfless devotion to the cause. It made me and others want to find out who the hell was stopping us. Who were the SPs at the base fucking it up for the rest of us?

This briefing and others brought the temperature at the base up to boiling point.

Here's where I started to wake up about Scientology being a big fat stinkin' liar - at the next major Scientology event, I believe it was Auditor's Day, not too long after the smell the coffee briefing. There's a part of all Scientology events where they show the statistics for Scientology internationally. Well, at this briefing for the public, all the stats were fucking awesome. Steep affluence trends - some of them even going into Power. Ya know, I started to actually smell the coffee right then and there!
My reaction was what the fuck?

Do I have to believe that this is just some PR shore story for the public so that they wouldn't think anything is wrong or have to know about the "entheta" of the actual stats?

No, I realized that we were fibbing our freakin asses off - and honestly, I don't know why.

My thoughts were, why don't we just show an honest picture to the public and maybe we'll get more help in the field to improve stats! Maybe this will make the public become more active if the truth is shown.

Scientology lies! That is a FACT.

Scientology definitely has a plan to take over the world and make you a slave. That is also a FACT.

Every day at Int we would spend almost an hour in large groups doing chineese schools of key LRH policies having to do with expansion and take over.

Taking over is definitely the #1 priority and they will lie to your face to get there.

That's just something else about Scientology that you need to know.

Love,

BTs2Free

BTs2Free,
I am Songbird's husband. I've never posted on OCMB before -- with my wife's permission, I'm using her log-in to send this message to you.

Thank you very much for what you have written on this thread. I was in CoS for two years, got quite involved as a public Scientologist, did courses and auditing onboard the Freewinds. When I left, I felt like I had to deconstruct an altered sense of reality -- like taking apart a brick wall piece by piece. I felt dislocated or not quite right for months and also felt like I had really failed myself by accepting the whole scheme as I did.

I can imagine how, after your lifelong experiences, leaving the church and realigning with the world outside CoS would be very challenging, and I can certainly relate to how you would have negative flashbacks for quite some time.

Again, thank you for what you've posted. It's a difficult thing to describe, and you told your story eloquently.

Chuck

Dear Chuck, Thank you for your reply and I totally feel you on the reconstuction of your life mode that we've had to experience after leaving the Cult. After being in Scientology for 23 years and about half of that in the Sea Org, it took me a good 4 years to finally feel like a normal human being again. And I'm STILL trying to get rid of that gritty feeling that sticks to you after realizing what it was all about. Every once in a while I still have nightmares where I'm back in the Cult and trying to figure out how to escape all over again, wondering how the hell I got myself back into the mess. I would love to hear about your story and what happened to you. If you feel up to it, you should let us know what you experienced in Scn and at the Freewinds. Every story and experience is important. You didn't fail yourself Chuck. We all went into Scientology with the hopes that we would better ourselves and the world around us. We had good intentions and later it all transleted into being the "greatest good for the greatest number of Dynamics" but only for Scientology - "the game where 'everyone' wins." So, don't be hard on yourself at all. You're out! Enjoy life.

The first thing Scientology did to me which got the whole ball rolling was them getting me to realize that there was something wrong with me that needed to be fixed. I was 9 years old! My mom, who was a new Scientologist then enrolled me in a Scientology school called Apple School. I remember asking one of the faculty there, Shiela Rollins, why the school was called Apple School. Her reply to me was, "We take bad apples and change them into good apples." My thought was, "Am I really a bad apple?" That was my first point of ever being introverted and Scientology did a great job of keeping me introverted for the next couple of decades.

It took a while to realize that I was actually a really decent person, some minor issues, nothing too bad! I can enjoy life again!

The first thing that Scientology will do to you is make you believe that there is something wrong with you and then capitalize on your belief that Scientology is the ONLY answer. Yes, it's too bad that we bought it, but hey, we sure did learn a lesson or two.

Love,

BTs2Free

BTs2free,

And, for anyone who hasn't read this thread through, you should.



It's sad when you think that we've invested so much time into something, and it all amounted to nothing more than a distraction to who we really wanted to be.

I was reading another post of yours and you quoted Elvis, "$cientology is all head and no heart." That actually, was my final "cognition" before leaving. I poured my heart out into my job, and I was recieving any dividends.

Towards the end of my $ea Org career, I remember I went on the roof of the particular org I was at, and I would smoke cigarettes and look out over the city of LA. It was my little hiding spot where I could go and reflect on my experiences.

I still haven't told 90% of my story. I haven't said which org, my post, what I did, who I met, who my friends were. Basically, I left off all the important details because knew before I started posting about Fair Game.

But, it pains me to know that people are suffering at the hand of L. Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige. These 2 men have done a disservice to the people of our planet. They are responsibe for distracting people from the really important aspects of life--family and friends, mostly.

It is my hope that we'll be around when Douche Miscavige gets carted off to prison, and you, me, and everyone who's suffered will see justice, and that "gritty" feeling goes away.

mb

and depopularizing the enemy to total extinction

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"Scientologists do not worship" Heber Creepy Jentszch

The disparity between those who live and breathe scientology 24/7 and those who hardly know it exists is part of the problem. We can rant a lot about conspiracy theories and Lord knows there are any number of nutty ones out there, but the fact remains that conspiracies do exist and they do drive the world. Someone on this thread earlier admitted to not knowing about the Cheney-Halliburton connection and I think that is an important point to bring up here. WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW CAN HURT YOU.

The petroleum industry power brokers live and breathe their mission 24/7. Look at the success they have enjoyed for 40 years at calling the science behind global warming into question. No legitimate scientist who is worth the paper he's printed on questions that global warming is real or that it is man made, but the petroleum interests have so successfully clouded the issue that they can continue to drive the planet to the brink of disaster as they rack up bigger and bigger profits. Never forget that scientology is like the petroleum industry; they are dedicated 24/7 to pursuing their own agenda and at replacing any real 'truth' with their own self serving image. This board and this thread illustrate very clearly how warped that self serving image is and how dedicated the organization is to foisting it on the public at any cost.

People need to know that however harmless the organization may SEEM to be, it is NOT and that even though you and I have lives and think about other things, the organization DOES NOT. This is one reason why they cultivate affiliations with the likes of Tom Cruise; it creates the appearance of legitimacy.

Cheers,

Smitty

BTs2free, I just want to give you credit for having courage for speaking out. As people say, this is like a form of therapy. I do hope to see more of your posts, keep up the good work. As for the debate here, there is much wrong that needs to be fixed, and it is through the general public that the wrongs can be fixed. Education is the key.

mb,
From what I've noticed, almost all the people who have left $cientology and the Sea Org have in common the feelings that they were used and under appreciated wether it be for all the money that they poured into it or for their dedicated service - in some cases millions, and in other cases years of their lives.

How many $cietologists today fear walking by the Registrars office? Most $cientologists are given the impression that the Reg only cares about your spiritual freedom and progress up the Bridge rather than about the money in your bank account. The fact is, the Reg's statistic is Gross Income. If your spiritual freedom and Bridge progress was more important, don't you think the registrar's stats would be different and reflect that rather than GI?

How many $cientologists are still "gang bang" regged, until they can figure out where to get the money for their next service, wether it be from borrowing the money from someone or selling off something valuable? This happens ALL the time.

When you're a broke $cientologist, you're treated like the scum of the earth. When they know you don't have ANY money and can't afford your next service, you're shoved out of the way and they move on to the next person with the dollars. The biggest crime as a public $cientologist is having no money. And it doesn't matter how much money you've already given them, when you run out of it, you're a downstat dog.

Same goes with staff and Sea Org service, doesn't matter how many years you've put into it or how many VFPs (valuable final products) you've produced over the years. If your stats are down, or your section's, division's or org's stats are down, you are scum! In fact, MOST of the time, you are simply just scum. You are made to feel like you haven't contributed enough and you must keep contributing. The carrot is dangled in front of your face the entire time to keep you going. The carrot is labeled "Total Freedom" weather you're public, staff or SO. It's at the top of the Bridge for everyone.

Most SO members have set asside the idea of actually going OT this lifetime because for one, they already consider themselves to be OTs just by being in the SO and two, they have this idea that the SO will take care of it for them at some point when they have the facilities and resouces to do it and the planet is in better shape. As an SO member, you have no case. Case on post is a crime.

So how about these people who after 10, 20 or more years of dedicated service to the SO and $cientology get offloaded or declared SP? How about that? How are they supposed to feel about it?

How about the public $cientologist who has been a very valuable contributing member for $cientology for years and years and all they get is praise when they shell out some money or bring a new person in and then get treated like scum when they can't afford it anymore? It happens all the time.

Tom Cruise is considered to be the most senior $cientologist other than DM. WHY? What about all of those POWER FSMs who have to bring in 1,000 new people in a year for that status. Nope, give it up for TC because a) He's a huge celebrity, and b) he's got TONS of money and has probably given $cientology boat loads. MONEY is what $cientology is all about. All about how much money YOU have and how much you can GIVE them.

This is why every songle person that leaves feels like they've been used, because they literally have been.

Love,
BTs2Free

BTs,
Superb post...

What is one of the 1st things you do when you walk through the
"church" door? For most people, they take an OCA. And, those "test" results? If the test giver had been reading his script properly, he would have said, "Well sir, I have your test results, it turns out, you're a heartless bastard, who would'nt piss on burning baby to save his life!"--that's an actual quote from the OCA test result script!

What is the "testee" to think? (testee, as in, person who just took
a test, not testicle.)

For a lot of people hearing the words, "you are heartless" comes as a
shock, and this revelation acts as one the biggest hooks in
Scientology--Guilt--"I need to start giving to prove I'm not heartless."

BTW, Guilt is the biggest hook in Chistianity--Did you know Jesus died
on the cross for our sins? --BTW, what have you done that even comes
close to being that special? ...oh, that's right, all our accomplishments pale in comparison to Jesus', but keep on trying-- the Second Coming is just right around the corner. So, people go around wearing crosses to remind us of our guilt ...that never gets old.

We like to think of ourselves as kind decent human beings and we
should because we are, but someone comes along and suggests otherwise
--it makes us doubt ourselves.

And that brings me to the point you made, people keep giving and
giving and giving in Scientology --I gave while I was "in". What's
more precious than a person's blood, sweat, and tears?

Why do people keep giving and giving? --Guilt!

Ah yes, there's nothing better than an old fashioned guilt trip. If
you felt like you gave enough, you'd quit giving. Or, let me rephrase
that, if you felt like a genuinely good person who's already doing all
the right things in life, you would never feel the need to give in the
1st place.

Does anyone ever let you feel that good in Scientology?
Does anyone ever let you feel that good in Christianity?
Does anyone ever let you feel that good at OCMB?

Will anyone ever say to me here, "you've given enough here at OCMB. We
now have all we need to win our battle. Your contributions will be
treasured. Thank you. Have a nice life."?

It's the sadest thing in the world. We are made to feel guilty in
every thing we do, and I'm tired of feeling guilty.

Will anyone ever tell anyone in Scientology "you've given enough?" No,
you are banned from being content. The moment you stop giving--
degraded SP. There's no light at the end of the tunnel.

Scientologists keep taking that damn OCA test over and over, lo and
behold, they keep being told they're still heartless--the definition
of insanity--doing the same thing over and expecting a different result.

The difference between total happiness and total freedom is
everything. If Scientology wanted happy people they'd sell a Bridge to
Total Happiness--Scientologists could experience contentment and
consider that they are at the top of Tone Scale--it would be a welcome
relief.

Accordingly, if Scientology was designed to generate happiness, you
wouldn't keep seeing and hearing all the horror stories-you would
never see or hear horror stories at all. Scientology would be
something completely different from what it is. It would be a much
happier place. The rules, prices, practices, and philosophy would be
completely different, but change all that, and you don't have
Scientology anymore...

What do you do now?
Do you wait around for those changes?
Do you find a kinder and happier cult that aligns more to your vision?
Do you write a book outlining the philosophy and practices of your own
religion/cult?

--there's no right answer, but if you want write a book, I could tell
you how to write it--combine a little Tibetan Buddhism with a little
Afred Korzybski...and voila! You have an actual form of Western
Buddhism--for real--not some wacked out LSD trip version.

Who knows?...you might actually invent a quicker way of reaching
enlightenment. I'm willing to bet you could write better book than L.
Ron Hubbard--if you don't, someone else is going to get the idea.

Either way, it's kind of like what Morgan Freeman says in everyone's
favorite prison buddy film--you either need to get busy livin, or get
busy dyin. We all know what Scientology has been busy doin.

I have some ideas of being busy doing things...one of those things is
writing about more important topics.


MB

In regards to the conspiracy theory discussion:

Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense under Bush Sr. From there, CEO Haliburton. From there, current Vice President.

Does it come as a shock to anyone that Haliburton gets No-Bid Contracts?

Put IRAQ FOR SALE: THE WAR PROFITEERS in your Netflix queue--watch it. It will break your heart. The 2nd War in Iraq was in the works for 15 years--it started while Cheney was Secretary of Defense. Cheney was responsible for putting Haliburton in a position to profit from this war unlike any company has ever profited during war time.

Our soldiers used to cook their own meals, do their own laundry and various other service related jobs--not anymore--it's all Haliburton's job now.

People say we went to war for oil--that's a joke--we went to war for Haliburton. If oil was what we really wanted, oil production out of Iraq would have quadrupled by now. Gas would still be $1.30 a gallon like it was when George Bush took office.

mb

mb,

Awesome, awesome! Bot of your last posts are excellent. I think you mentioned in a previous posting that you had worked in Div 6. Me too. I was the PCS (Public Contact Sec) at my org, before the SO for 2 1/2 years before being recruited for the SO. I was responsible for getting in "raw meat" which is exactly what we called it. I trully believed in Dianetics and Scientology at that time, but even then, in the back of my mind I wondered WHY we had to learn the use of all of the sales techniques and need to "ruin" people in speaking about Scientology. It's true, at these test "stress" centers, they learn and follow an exact guidline and policies that Hubbard laid out in attaining raw meat.

THE DISSEMINATION DRILL:

1. Contact. (Obviously contacting someone or starting up a conversation with someone.

2. Handle. (This step is to "handle" any objections one might have about Scientology. Usually means trying to handle any black PR someone may have heard about Scientology. We always had on hand what was called a "DA Pack" - Dead Agenting, which is a whole nother method LRH came up with to have documents on hand that would prove acusations to be false.

3. Salvage. (This step is literally done to probe the person for really really bad current life situations. It's called finding the persoson's "ruin". Once you find a person's ruin, the Scientologist is trained to rub that person's nose in his or her ruin and get them to feel almost helpless, if not outright GUILTY about it. The OCA step in the stress center was designed as a tool to help the recruiter to find the person's ruin. A test with a lot of questions and a graph result must have some validity in it right?

4. Bring to understanding. (This step is literally telling the person that Dianetics and Scientology can help them resolve that ruin. That "we have tools that you can apply to these exact life situations and get them resolved immediately. Here, I suggest you buy this basic books package and start this incredible course called the "Success Through Communication Course." "Oh, you don't have enough money for that, well, you can do this intro service, listen to one of Ron's lectures for FREE - a "tape play."

Believe me, when I was the PCS, we learned ALL the Hubbardian tricks in how to hook people in.

In fact, at that time, we went out with stacks of Dianetics books and walked the streets, selling them on the streets. The PES (Public Exec Sec) at the time used to drill me and the juniors I had at the time on how to sell Dianetics books, by literally walking up to people and putting the book in their hands with no "Hey, can I talk to you for a sec?" We sold tons of books that way. Because we were taght that you're "breaking the social veneer." This was pre-internet times, so most people hadn't even heard about Dianetics at the time or only knew about from some billboards or late night TV ads.

We even learned, "Body Routing". Yup that's the exact term. This is another Hubbardian method of hooking in the raw meat. This is what you encounter at your stress test centers. This is all inclusive of the pinch test, the would you like to take a personality test, to the sell of the book followed by a come on in and see a free film... etc.

How about the study of HARD SELL. In fact, Hubbard says to use hard sell in Scientology policy. But, he re-defines it. The re-definition of hardsell is "caring enough about the person to insist that he Buy Now and get the service that will rehabilitate him."

As a Scientology sales person we learned that we were "fighting against the banks distractions" that were keeping people from buying Scientology. It was all a fight against "the bank." Thus, when someone said "no" we considered that we weren't actually hearing anything from the person, but from his bank.

I think it's the false idea of "the bank" and the "4th Dynamic Engram" that keep people in Scientology longer than they need to be, which I consider to be .9999999999th of a second.

Cheers!
BTs2Free

Excellent thread!

Thanks for making this post.

Today, after talking to some 20 year olds, I realized we needed something addressed to THEM, thus I made my post today.

However, this is an excellent post for all to read, including the young people.

It's shocking to read all that goes down, isn't it? Truly amazing...

Thanks for sharing!

My best,

Tory/Magoo~~

I first mentioned the Miscavige and executive beatings at the Int Base in 2006 and expanded upon that with this posting which has been buried for a while.

It's now resurrected.

If there are any journalists or law enforcement officials who want to get a hold of me, please email me at jjpeeler1971@gmail.com.

Please take the time to read the OP. This is still going on today.

Cheers,
John

And P.S. - I don't expect any form of payment for interviews or whatnot.

I am already being paid by Big Pharma of course.

You see everyone knows the church is lying to cover this up. Its sort of like when the catholics tried to cover up the abuse, but you can only do that for so long.

This is serious and it should head for the courts.

The problem is that you got people inside saying something different, and the people who claimed everything is okay at one time or now saying something is wrong.

There has to be some kind of 'hard' evidence to back up the claims for the courts.

Of course, for normal everyday people, its a non-brainer. For the courts they need some evidence and I am wondering if enough eyewitness testimony is enough or do they need something extra?

Whatever the case, this should be in the hands of lawyers and the people who know what to do and law enforcement.

If it isn't stoped now who knows where this could lead??
Jonestown? Jim Jones?