JS...everything you have said on this thread is absolutely incredible. I'm sticking close to this one for sure.

Note: My deal with S12 is that I post with disclaimers. I do not actually know who S12 is except for my means of contact, which is not in person. This is all unconfirmed and I do not stake my reputation on it. That is my deal with S12.

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I raised the question with S12 of DM's long term status and security within CoS, RTC, CST. I got an interesting answer that no one in SO in good standing has ever had the thought that DM would ever leave. COB is viewed as the most powerful and necessary Scientologist in the world by all Scientologists in good standing. S12 said that critics need to understand that criticizing COB causes Scientologists in good standing to handle the attacker. People in SO know COB is not perfect, has a terrible temper, and punishes others severely, but this is considered to be ethical because reasonableness is a crime in SO. SO has a planet to salvage. If someone gets yelled at or busted by COB, COB is just putting ethics back into their area or post. Scientologists in good standing see COB (DM) as a hero who is leading the fight.

While no one inside of SO can challenge DM, it is generally now known inside of Exec Strata -- and even lower -- that Mike Rinder and others have blown and that CoS has PR and Legal problems it has never had to confront previously. Again, for some reason I certainly don't understand , S12 keeps telling me how bad the BBC problem was for CoS. There is clearly something about the BBC debacle that affected CoS because Mike Rinder blew rather than confronting it. This makes me think -- and this is me thinking and not S12 -- that the BBC found out something about CoS that the BBC is holding it for release at some opportune moment. If you think about it, there are some Commonwealth subjects who were big in CoS. They might prefer talking to the BBC as opposed to any American network. I got the sense that something is out there.

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S12 stressed to me that "the internet" is looked at quite differently by people who hold power in Scientology. S12 distinguished between "being on a computer" in the Scientology computer system and being on the internet. S12 told me that some upper level SO have never actually been on the internet itself. S12 said that many CoS computers have only, say, Word, Excel, or graphics programs and some other software to allow access into the Scientology computer system. However, these computers have been stripped of all web browsers and have no internet access whatsoever. S12 confirmed what others have said: There is a list of internet-equipped CoS computers kept by OSA and that OSA keeps close tabs on these computers.


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According to S12, "the Hall" that BFG mentioned is not known outside of Gold Base. S12 did not know about it until BFG posted about it. All that is known is that the "Old Timers" who were Exec Strata have all disappeared and no one will dare ask why if they know what is good for them. I asked S12 if SO moves like a bunch of mindless wildebeests, and S12 laughed and said much of the time it is like that in SO. S12 then reminded me that a herd of wildebeests can trample and crush people who get in its way.



Touche, S12.

S12 said that CoS can still dangerous to individual people when it needs to be, but that even SO knows that there has been huge PR losses. While it is all blamed on the wog media and psychs, many SO are waking up to the fact that CoS has very deep PR problems and increasing problems with SO recruitment. DM is never blamed. LRH policies are never blamed. It is always someone on post who screwed up.

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The scuttlebutt is coming up again that Gold Base will be moved deeper into the Sobaba Indian Reservation so that no one can drive by, protest, or take pictures. The existing base would be sold or leased.

JS Note: The Sobaba Reservation extends over 3,100,000 acres in the Hemet/San Jacinto/Palm Springs area. DM could lease 5,000 acres and put a new Trementina and a 5,000 foot runway out there in the middle of nowhere if he wanted. The US Military in Iraq innovated a lot of new portable housing and security measures that are now being migrated into the private sector by the corporations who developed and patented these techniques. Gold Base could become "Fort Scientology" in a place that has a 1,000 acres of buffer zone. The SoCal desert connects into many Indian Lands in Arizona and Nevada. There are Indian lands that I15 and I40 pass thru that are thousands of square miles of wasteland. As long as you have water and electric lines. you can set up a base camp anywhere out there.


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That's "real to me".

I never saw a web browser until I left the SO and Scientology.

This is all fascinating stuff!


I doubt it. My impression is that Panorama intended to make a 'normal' programme about Scientology, using known facts rather than digging for anything new. They only had half an hour. The cult flipped into nasty mode exactly as critics told the BBC they would, and once that started they just let the camera roll.
The UK problem is that twice now management has overruled CoS(UK) and twice screwed up. CoS(UK) has been trying hard to safepoint and be respectable, but that can never happen if management keeps interfering.
Plus, they are now above the Murdoch event horizon.

I hate to use scientology technical terms, but maybe Panorama 'missed' an upper management 'withold' without ever being aware of it.

Let me try to put that in real language. Maybe Panorama said or did something that made scientology upper management think Panorama knew something that scientology upper management wanted kept secret, while the Panorama people really have no idea.

If that's the case, then scientology upper management may do some kind of handling to keep the thing they want secret from public view and in doing so will risk making that secret known or at least putting out clues to whatever it is.

Whatever the case, this is fascinating stuff. I'm calling dibs on the TV series after scientology falls.

There is a definitely a big story here that very few people know. I am trying to confirm elements of the story with reliable sources. If it as S21 says, there is a big story with potentially big troubles and it explains why CoS is running scared.

On another note, CoS made a gigantic mistake in failing to use Tom Cruise instead of Tommy Davis in the BBC handling. If there was ever a time CoS needed Tom's star power, it was in this situation. Tommy Davis was a bull in a china shop. Tom Cruise would have been the perfect choice to have worked John Sweeney.

Swift is it S21 or S12?

Please clarify.

If true, this would be in keeping with what L. Ron Hubbard has written.

People are unfortunately going to think they were past lives characters of note.

That DM conceives of his past as EU royalty, quite actually plausible.

That Tom Cruise considers himself who you say above, quite plausible.

This is why Scientology/Hubbard are really going too far.

It is a quack past-lives/spiritual entities/ practice which results in people being led to believe such things about themselves, and then Hubbard wrote the rulebooks for how to contain this group of participants who held all manner of pastlives thoughts about themselves.

Scientology leads to this state.

I went into this world of past-lives, fashioning a suitable to myself series of past lives, and but all the while in my almost 3 decades of past life lives creation, I sensed I was making it all up, and in the end luckily I settled on that conclusion and got out.

Scientology will help anyone fashion their own wierd imagined world of strung together past lives, and while they are devoted to their own creations, they will be quite hooked into the movement.

It all is a fantasy imagine world, adult fantasy mental quackery.

In my final years in the RPF co-audit rooms, where one sits spewing out one's past lives' transgressions and "evil purposes" in these creative past lives worlds, I just got sick of all the falsity people and myself were led into buying.

It is touching and tragic how real Scientologists (and other practices and religious traditions) take all this.

I don't think it is healthy, when I look on it in hindsight.

I think actually the highest level Scientologists, are really put in a long term embarrassing position, which I now think due to Hubbard's hatred for psychiatrists and psychologists, the movement followers who have be led into creating their own set of fantasy past lives created lives for themselves are now in the embarrassing position of defending their beliefs as "certainties" and under the societal protection politeness/tolerance allowed religious beliefs.

It is truly a strange predicament one is led to defend.

And with body thetans/shell body thetans (BTs), I mean when LRH wrote things like this:

"The Shell BT is a composite body entity which is a mock- up that thinks (mistakenly) that it is holding the body together. You can collide with that. I suppose that’s really probably what they think is the astral body, a collection of BTs and clusters molded into a semblance of a body structure. As this “astral body” is highly electronic. BTs and clusters can easily get stuck in it even though they themselves are creating it. "
(LRH from the NOTs Indoc HCOB, which is at pages 373 through 376 in the big doc that contains all the OT materials, which is repeatedly currently being put up online, then taken down, but when it is up online again, just go to pages 373 through page 376, and read LRH's most important, in my opinion, beliefs that he's laying out about who we as beings in bodies are actually all facing!)

The problems is followers led into Scientology are led into these fantastic beliefs about themselves, which they cannot question, which the movement will not discuss openly, and thus members cannot but be harrangued by Hubbard's leftover system of rules that condemn anyone from challenging these Hubbard fantasy ideas.

Hubbard's system protects the fantasy, and it is extremely embarrassing realizing one was taken into that fantasy world.

A dialogue of ex NOTs level OTs and above needs to always be ongoing, so that this wall of scariness and fear and fantasy protection is broken down with normal sober discussion about this all.

I don't think it useful to just laugh one's ass off at how unreal all these past lives theory and the body thetans, shell thetans, the whole NOTs Indoctrination writing by Hubbard, those ideas should be soberly discussed, just like past Catholic scholars dissected all the discussions of angels, etc.

Keep the discussion of the body thetans, past lives, shell thetans, clusters of thetans, all these supposed "high" level Scientology beliefs which they CANNOT deal with, due to Hubbard's unfortunate unchallengable penalty rules (any Scientologist uttering the word "body thetans" or "shell BT" or
discussing that astral bodies are really just "clusters" of body thetans, and discussing ANYTHING in the NOTs Indoctrination HCOB, which is VITAL theological material to discuss, the problem is the Scientologists have Hubbard rules that don't allow them to normalize their relationships with other religious traditions.

So all they can do is deflect the discussion away from these core aspects of Scientology's cosmological/theological beliefs.

Personally the way to go, for BFG and Little Bear Victor, is to trust the people in our culture who DO understand what is sadly going on with people who've been led DEEP into the Scientology fantasy belief world.

My recommendation for ALL who wish to speak up, is just realize that normal citizens CAN discuss whatever they please.

Just apply "good roads and good weather" and discuss AWAY to your heart's content!

And I suggest those with important insider information make their contacts with the scholars and media and interested Scientology movement observers, across the boards, widely, since the wider network of contacts one has, then one meets the whole wide spectrum of people who will help whoever comes out and wishes to unload insider info about the movement.

The history of the Scientology movement IS something that CAN be discussed, by ANYONE.

I think if BFG and Victor just go public, just meet the wide spectrum of people who already have a grip on Scientology, then they'll have allies that will serve as protection in the form of moral and intellectual support!

Please forgive me, I can barely see my keyboard now as it took me many minutes to write this.



I feel so much compassion for people who actually believe all this and believe that they have done something horribly bad in a past life to warrant this kind of inhumane treatment, letting the CoS continually berate them over it with this auditing business.

For clarification, my source is S12. If I made an error previously it was dyslexia caused by a BT parked in the region of my optic chiasma. I have not been able to get this BT to blow because it jumps all over my optic nerves as if it were playing hopscotch on Venus.

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Thank you for the insightful comments Chuck.

I have observed that people who have a great deal of ego, money, and imagination, are able to easily create their own Private Idaho's, to borrow a phrase from the inimitable B-52's. If we survey the many Phantasmagorial Realms of the human imagination, perhaps none is better suited for fantastical developments and self-claims of grandiose proportion than Scientology. LRH's dictum that the, "Auditor is never to evaluate for the Preclear," can be translated as, "Hey, for $1,000 an hour, let the crazy loons babble all day long. What do we care if they say they were Jesus Christ, Hitler, or Arp Pepsi? As long as they pay, let them babble away the decades of their lives as well as their assets to Scientology." LRH was brilliant in forbidding his auditors to ever speak the truth to certain pc's and say, "You are fucking crazy and need psychiatric help!" Instead, LRH would develop rundowns, repairs, and handlings to assure insane or anxious people with money that they could be cured by Scientology's super-fantastic series of psychic prostitution techniques and emotional blackmail. What is a win in session except a psychic orgasm? It is so much E-Meter masturbation and yet Hubbard was never ashamed. LRH was the ultimate Black Magick Pimp Daddy who got people hooked on E-Meter Masturbation, electronic opium, and the beauty of the Blue Sky three feet behind one's head.

Steely Dan sang about The Royal Scam. I have reworded it here with apologies to Donald Fagen and Walter Becker:



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ATTENTIONS SCIENTLOGISTS: REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KEEP SMILING! NO MATTER HOW BAD IT GETS, A TR A DAY KEEPS THE PSYCHS AWAY!

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Swift,

You may very well be cured. I took myself in for a session--I'm still trying to tackle OT 12. It's one of the long ones.

I remotely viewed your optic nerve and was not surprised to see a mischieveous BT delighting in your dyslexic pedicament. I triple bracketed that sucker, but before I could fire exploder beams into it, the BT morphed into a R1X demon cluster, which I countered with gold sparkles to create confusion. Once confused, I doubled dosed the exploder beams and effectively neutralized the offending little rascal.

Unfortunately, in the process I expended so much energy it will take at least a week for my Theta levels to return to normal. I guess it's a small price to pay for being a warrior.

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You guys are amazing!

All right. This is the session.

Goof the floof.

Thank you.

Goof the floof.

Thank you.

Goof the floof.

Thank you.

Goof the floof.

Thank you.

(This goes on for hours on end, ad nauseum until the PC (Preclear, not personal computer or player character) 'cognites.')

Goof the floof . . . yes, do you have an origination?

PC: I can goof the floof!

Very good. Your needle is floating. End of session. Now I'll take you to the examiner and you can write a success story. Then you will see the registrar.

mr_bad: thank you for having the courage to go behind my eyeballs and enter my optic chiasma and thus risk an eighth dynamic plunge down its sheer cliff walls that are 75,000,000 years deep and lined with the souls of dead space aliens.

Had you fallen, had your mocked up thetan foot or hand slipped off the slippery optic nerves it would have cost you double your eternity and you would have forfeited your money back guarantee from Scientology. You are at least as brave as the Warrior Tom Cruise and I ack you for that by applauding with the sound of one thetan hand clapping, such is the depth of my profound appreciation for your having rescued me from ym aixelsyd. Really. Period.

The only practical problem was the timing and somewhat messy application of your OT XII rescue. I was doing a live television interview this afternoon from my new Penobscot Meter Factory when, suddenly, a veritable river of gold-flecked clear mucous began streaming uncontrollably from my nostrils under high pressure. I mean, my nose was like a fire hose and I was flowing Golden Theta Snot at the rate of at least 1,000 liters per second. While it all looked beautiful in high def, the interviewer and several other people were injured.

Next, flames began shooting from out of my nose, ears, eyes, and mouth as you waged this epic battle. I went cross-eyed and your exploder beams shot out my eyes and lasered my Mercedes Benz into a million pieces in front of a global television audience! That car, it meant everything to me because it could drive underwater and fly in the air like a plane. I will need some heavy auditing on the loss.

After what seemed like forever, the BT, defeated by mr_bad's wicked OT exploder beam, shot out of my left nostril screaming and in flames. An OT VIII in the audience shouted, "Look! A BT! LRH's story of Xenu is really true after all!" The largely Scientology audience froze in horror and stared at the miscreant because Xenu and BT's are not supposed to exist. Security hauled away the OT VIII.

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A truly magickal thing happened next. Because this OT VIII was covered in my Golden Theta Snot, when DM went to pummel him with the COB tiny fists of fury, COB's hands got stuck in the Golden Mucous. At that moment, my Theta-DNA bound with DM's Theta-DNA.

Because I was stably exterior at the time and emitting free theta from all 53 known perceptic channels as well as the 119 unknown perceptic conduits, I was able to do a classic Vulcan mind meld with COB. I saw everything: DM's mental image pictures, wholetrack O/W's, and downloaded it all into my analytical mind. The download was accomplished in a nanosecond and then I broke my Vulcan mind meld.

It was like stealing candy from a baby.

I was able to bypass all of COB's locks, secondaries, and keyouts for the simple and shocking reason that DM is actually demon BT inhabiting a Marcab meat-puppet body. I learned during my download that the COB meat-puppet body was manufactured during the 1959 shortage of beef due to the Alien Cattle Mutilators Strike that was happening at that time. Consequently, all Marcab meat-puppet bodies were shortened by 33% from normal "earth height" and that is why COB is so short. To compensate for his lack of height, the Marcabs equipped the COB meat-puppet with 33% fewer personality factors to decrease the neural computational load as a result of a smaller circulating blood volume in the cooling system of the body.

Unfortunately, the personality reductions equations suffered from MEST arithmetic problems and the 33% reduction of personality factors became exponential. As a result, I have examined the DM download and have found COB to be -198 on personality factors. Thus, DM is in fact in his Reactive Mind 99% of the time. COB's entire bank is there.

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The major engram that has command value over DM was created when COB dropped a rainbow snow cone on the ground when he was three years old. There is heavy grief charge on this incident because DM loved that snow cone and it was a hot day. His father scolded him and refused to purchase COB a replacement snow cone. This was DM's first big loss and he swore vengeance upon his father and all people in the world as a result of this pain in a moment of unconsciousness. It is as Ron said: Engrams Bite.

LRH was able to bypass this engram some twelve years later when he purchased DM a rainbow snow cone for .25 cents American in Crestline, California. DM was riding with LRH in Source's 1973 Cadilliac. LRH was asking DM to spot things. DM spotted an ice cream truck and asked Ron if he would purchase him a snow cone. LRH agreed upon the condition that DM had to dig for the quarter in LRH's pocket. After much digging, DM found a quarter and LRH purchased him the promised snow cone. DM felt love for the first time in his life. Thus began DM's daily ritual of "Find the quarter in Ron's pocket."

That is all I can share now as I am exhausted. Like mr_bad, it will take at least a week for my Theta levels to return to normal. It is indeed a a small price to pay for being a warrior here on Battlefield Earth.

Praise be to Ron now and forevermore. Say with me now, "Hip Hip Hooray" and partake of the sacred rainbow snow cone with me, for the snow cone represents the sacred covenant between LRH, DM, and you as the Scientologist. The Rainbow Snow Cone is the blessed mystery. We now see the blessed mystery of "Going Over the Rainbow" revealed.

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Citizen Kane had Rosebud.

LRH had his two Japanese submarines.

DM had his lost Snow Cone.

It is tragic when one realizes that Modern Scientology is actually all about the loss of a Rainbow Snow Cone in 1963 AD.

I am sadder but wiser for having done a Vulcan Mind Meld on DM. Had Spock been in my shoes, would he have done the same thing or would have Vulcan logic dictated otherwise?

I irreversibly changed Scientology's future today and mr_bad played some part in this chain of events that now somehow feels like the past, present, and future.

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Swift,
Unlike your story, this is going to sound crazy--you've inspired me to start my own cult.

You are welcome to join. It's called THE CHURCH OF THE BLESSED RAINBOW SNOW CONE.

Each Sunday, when all my followers come to listen to my sermon, periodically, I'll stop and ask them to reach into the pocket of the person on their right and find a quarter, which will obviously go into the collection plate.
At the end of the sermon as everyone's leaving, I'll pass out rainbow snowcones.

Imagine how theta it will be.

mb