J. Swift wrote:
Again, for some reason I certainly don't understand , S12 keeps telling me how bad the BBC problem was for CoS. There is clearly something about the BBC debacle that affected CoS because Mike Rinder blew rather than confronting it. This makes me think -- and this is me thinking and not S12 -- that the BBC found out something about CoS that the BBC is holding it for release at some opportune moment.

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I don't think there is much bad PR about COS that has not been made available.

The BBC is generally considered the worlds most prestigious and reliable media source. Or at least one of them.

The COS publically showed itself to be a crazy cult to the world, and then compounded it with the release of items on U-tube and the dissemination of their DVDs, and then the " talksport" radio programme available on the net worldwide. All attacking the prestigious BBC. Makes
COS look like they're keeping the flame of Stalinism alive, and are making their claims of heroic defense of free speech look very self serving.


http://www.freewebs.com/techoutside thecofs

http://internationalfreezone. net

Below one may see a British TV program of
scientology as its use.

http://video. google.co. uk/videosearch? q=the+beginners+ guide+to+ L+ron+Hubbard

Great. I already have ideas for six or seven squirrel and splinter groups as well as material for critical articles in magazines, newspapers and on the internet.

One of these splinter groups will be THE CHURCH OF THE GREEN BRAIN FREEZE FROSTY.

I'm snipping this down to my absolute favorite part, but really, it is all gold (so to speak). And I also love the rainbow snow cone and mr_bad's Church of the Blessed Rainbow Snow Cone, as well as Wieber's Green Brain Freeze Frosty squirrels.

Very interesting info.

J. Swift:


Totally plausible to me too. Of course Tom Cruise is going to think he was some historical figure. I mean come on, would Tom Cruise be a nobody last lifetime? He has figured out (with heavy scientological indoc) that he is a super duper OT being who has always had inclinations to save mankind. That is why he found scientology. He needs to achieve his purpose in life.

I would love to see the press (during promotional junkets) ask Tom about this past life and his ARC for the German people. And whether or not the "Nazi Group Engram" had been erased.

chuckbeatty:


Yes, I agree. I was having quite a chuckle reading this thread but then I remembered all the indoctrinated cult members who are wasting their lives on such fantasies.

It's true, that's a tragedy. But I figure humor is a useful element in fighting the CoS.

A public note to S12:

I have fully communicated your observation that something about the BBC's Panorama Show continues to enturbulate CoS. I have made my fellow critics aware of this and asked them for their feedback on the matter. You have read their feedback. They do not see whatever CoS sees.

S12, at this point, it is clear to me that you are caught between a rock and a hard place. I believe you when you tell me that your life is a living hell right now. Frankly, I am also tempted to think -- based upon what you have described to me -- that you may be the one who f*cked up the BBC Operation. To be blunt, you are the one who keeps going back to the incident. Further, everything that went down in the BBC Panorama episode was started by OSA. If there was some boomerang on OSA, all I can say is that OSA cannot take back what it did or said. OSA executed a classic LRH policy of "nosily investigating the attacker" and it made the Church of Scientology look like a bunch of rabid lunatics. It also shows how poorly LRH policy works in the real world of 2007.

S12, it was only a television show. That's it: It was just some TV show. Yet, Scientology so badly overreacted that it caused global attention for the show. Had Scientology not drawn so much attention to itself, no one in America would have seen the show because we don't have the BBC over here. I would add that "Overreaction" has been the Church of Scientology's failed historical pattern. If one looks back at it all, one can see that all CoS has ever done is to massively overreact when anything occurred that it did not like.

Back in the day when OSA had real power, Scientology's hysterical overreactions looked like something else, perhaps sinister Mafia-style threats. When these threats were carried out, they became the crimes of Fair Game that cost CoS dearly. However, now that the Church of Scientology has been undressed as a fraud and has lost its power, the hysterical overreactions of Scientologists look like the ravings of the mentally ill people. This was particularly true when Jenna and Bodhi Elfman were screaming, "Tell us your crimes! Have you ever raped a baby?!" at a man on a public street in Silver Lake. The man's crime? Wearing a t-shirt that made fun of Scientology. S12, Scientology just doesn't get it anymore: What use to be seen as sinister is now seen as pathetic and desperate.

If I could say a few things to Scientologists, I would say, "Stop being Drama Queens. Stop overreacting. Learn to accept the fact that people strongly disagree with Master Race Cults. LRH made your bed and you have to sleep in it. If the bed is uncomfortable and hot, move out of the house and get your own place and a new bed. Out here where the critics live you will actually be able to get a good night's sleep and take a nap when you need one."

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S12, I made an initial communication on your behalf as a favor to you. I wanted to show that critics are willing to work with people who are still in CoS at whatever level they may be. I know that your future in Scientology is a big inner conflict for you. Please believe me when I say that you are not alone like you think. Every former Scientologist has had to make the same decision you are now facing.

I am now making this communication to tell you to put up or shut up. I kept my end of our agreement and you have not kept yours. S12, the problem with Scientologists who try to manipulate the critics is that the critics can figure it very quickly online or privately. The scene has changed completely. The critics now have better and faster intel capabilities than OSA. The critics are global, viral, extensive, and can operate in real time. We have no irrational LRH policies to follow. We are not forced to act upon unethical or inhumane orders that harm or injure people as do members of OSA. The critics of Scientology hold the moral high ground. We are not the ones who are trying to enslave people into an authoritarian system that lies to them all of the time as does Scientology.

I will be glad to help you, S12, but I will not allow you to play games anymore. That part is over. If you wanted to prove to your senior that you could create an effect at xenu.net, you certainly proved it. However, the fact that I am now writing publicly about you at xenu.net also shows your superior that producing effects cuts both ways.

S12, if you decide to blow let me know. If you want to keep an open comm line with me that is also fine. However, the comm line will no longer be public. Until and unless you are willing to be completely honest with me -- and honest with yourself -- I can no longer post things online here for you. Please open an account here if you have anything else to share.

In closing, let me give you an answer to your, "most urgent question." My answer is that I don't know.


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My guess as to why Rinder blew after the BBC debacle is pretty simple.

He was off the Int base, actually in posession of his passport.

It was the first chance he had had to blow, and he took it.

Lulu_belle, it doesn't get easier than that as an explanation. However, some people in Scientology want to make it far more complex and sinister because they need a better why. I mean, some SP's got to Rinder, right? It can't be DM's fault. Even the worst day in Scientology is better than the best day as a wog, right? No Scientologist would just blow unless SP's had gotten to them because Suppression is the only thing that cause trouble for a Scientologist. A Scientologist would never "just" take their passport and leave. The BBC or the CIA had to have gotten to them, maybe used PDH to make them blow.

BTW, DM must be in heavy denial. He and Rinder both worked for LRH as teenagers. DM and Rinder go way back.

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scientology holding a person's passport may be seen as a major stumbling block to getting out of scientology for some people.

I have a feeling that an organization taking and withholding a person's passport, especially in a coercive situation may be a major crime against the state. There are certain things about which governments are especially touchy. Taxes is one. Territory is another. I think that the topic of passports is also right up there because a passport is, among other things, a symbol of national sovereignty as well as national identity.

Many nations publish their laws on the internet. If one has access to the internet it should be a simple matter to find what the laws are on passports and what the international agreements on them are.

"Swiss nobility" has a few names in Wikipedia. See url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Swiss_nobility. They include a "Count of Toggenburg" but that makes me think of Toggenburg goats, which also have long and excellent bloodlines. Perhaps Tom Cruise was, in an earlier life, a dairy goat!

It occurs to me that the BBC should do a follow-up on this story, and see if they can locate poor Tommy Davis.

That's definitely an interesting proposition. Could Sweeney be the guy who pulls Tommy from the depths accidently? Anyone have Sweeny's email? I bet he would like to talk to Tommy especially if he knows he's getting thrown over a barrel.

When OSA see this they are sure to put in place some plans for tommy to either be unfindable or to suddenly pop up with talk of the time he's just spent at a scientology health spa.

A disaffected Tommy would make for a great interview though.

No, but here's Panorama's email address: panorama.reply@bbc.co.uk

Getting ahold of Tommy could actually be the story. Think "Roger and Me."