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 Post subject: Scientology Fears They Spread, and the FACTS
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:41 pm 
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The organization known as "The Church of Scientology"
constantly spreads false info amongst it's members,
to create fear if they ever left, certainly fear of speaking to anyone
they've declared an SP, suppressive person. :shock:

I was one of those people---who was sure what they said was true, that SP's should *never* be spoken to, as I believed talking to them might:

1) Enturbulate my case (Upset me so much, I'd need correction. :roll: Remember,
correction/"Review" costs tons--at OT 7, it was $7,000 every 12 and a half
hours).

Fact: Once I met these declared SP's, they're some of THE nicest people I've
known in many years. Not one of them ever upset me, enturbulated me or made
me wrong.:alien:
In fact, there's MUCH more "Enturbulation" (upsets) that goes on
within C of S, than out.

2) If you speak with a declared "SP" you *could* lose your own eligibility
(the right to be or get onto an OT level).

Fact: This is correct, however I also learned while "in" that there are
numerous ways people get around all of this. (I wasn't one of them, but I
observed it). People don't tell them, people pay off staff members, it's
amazing what goes on "in".
Also, the truth is: Who cares? You're MUCH better off out
than trapped in, so leave! :cheers:

3) The Top 10 % of the planet are in Scientology.

Fact: Just LOOK around you! Do you **honestly** see the
Top 10 percent "in"? I didn't, certainly not at the top.
People are often *much* better off who are non-Scientologists, than Scios.

4) "Your entire eternity is based on what you do while in Scientology".

Fact: :bs: again. How does Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard or ANY
Scientologist know what is or isn't going to effect your eternity? Again,
another scare tactic to keep you "in".
Don't buy it! Look at their own "Karma".
Go LOOK at their empty orgs.

5) Reading " Messiah or Madman" will screw you up.

Fact: Yes, in a way that's true, as your Scio/Truman Show
WILL Crack wide open, once you read the *facts* about
Hubbard, vs. their endless hype. Will it *really* screw you up?
Hell no! Allowing people to stop your freedoms WILL screw you up,
every time...just by the nature of what that does.
Do I recommend reading this book, or any other book?
Absolutely! How can "Truth" hurt you? Answer: It cannot.
Truth about their lies shall hurt them, it has, it will, until the day THEY
get honest and straight.
So far, that's still not in the cards.

6) "You owe it to Ron"

Fact: Ron's D E A D. Let's say we do believe his hype about
"OT"---well, he sure left his group in a pinch, didn't he?
How "OT" are his OT 7's and OT 8's? Most are SERIOUSLY
screwed up. Many/most have left due to DM's insanities,
and the "tech" just not working. :shock:

Do you owe it to "Ron" to keep slugging away, paying Scientology, stopping
your very own freedoms many men and women have fought for centuries for you
to have? DO YOU?

Here's my suggestion: At least have enough courage to
LOOK, Read, find out ALL of the facts. Find out why SO many "OT's" left.
Don't just buy their black pr, or "Those people had big overts". Come on!
ALL OF US???
THINK FOR YOURSELVES::: Learn ALL of the facts,
and then I challenge you to make up your own minds. :alien:

Once you've learned ALL of the facts, then decide. I didn't learn *any* of
the facts I'm talking about before I left.
I just LOOKED at how the "tech" didn't work, not just for me, but most of
the "OT's" I knew. I looked at how screwed up DM was, how he'd lied to us,
how much money we'd spent to get where? No where. How DM and gang supported
stopping free speech on the Net, how they'd allowed a Top W.I.S.E. Member
(Bill and Ruth Bowen) to pay them off, rather than pay the money he owed via
an Arbitration to us.

Those were the main things that got me to leave.
Not everyone ...in fact few ...are "Invited" to help on something like the
Top Secret OSA Int Internet deal
Gavino and Bill Yaude ran (and are no doubt still running) to try to stop
free speech on the net, so you wouldn't know or see what I did.

Many people "in" aren't up to the non-working "OT" levels.

However, you CAN read about many things that shall blow your minds: How
Hubbard lied to you, and me, and his own staff. How L. Ron Hubbard took
medical drugs, all the while *I* fought Scientology to take the medicine I
need for Epilepsy. How many people D I E D trying to do Scientology.

Much, Much more is available now on the Net. Read people's stories, many who lost ALL of their loved ones, just because they changed their minds.

This is your "Church"? This is IT? :evil:

IS this what you joined Scientology for? Step aside from
the Celebrities Scientology flashes. They have their own games, and ALL of
what I'm mentioning is kept from them,
too.

Look, Read, Learn: Make up your OWN minds, and TAKE
YOUR LIVES BACK!

Just a suggestion, from someone who wasted 30 y e a r s
"in" Scientology, and is thrilled to be out. :alien:

Critics: We know there are *many* fears this organization spreads.
If you think of others, please share the fear and the fact as you know it.
Thanks to ALL of you :cheers:

My best,

--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 7 years!
X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA Volunteer after 20
years (Mostly in PR)X-Executive Director of SPL to handle media
X-Top Secret OSA Int Internet Mafia, Until I realized what they were really
doing and soon after left C of S forever.
For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
a "Suppressive Person" (SP 6 ^Cumulative Cluster :)
& Expelled me from The Church of $cientology :)
Free at LAST!
www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know)
www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos)
www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS)
www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia)
or Type in Scientology in Google
(Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)

magoo44@charter.net
Burbank, CA
(818) 588-3044

"They, who give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin


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 Post subject: Re: Scientology Fears They Spread, and the FACTS
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:27 pm 
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magoo1 wrote:

"They, who give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin



Yes. Ben Franklin knew where it was at.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:36 pm 
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You know, every time I read that quote....I can't help but think
of ALL the times we let fly the stopping of our own freedoms.

We stood by and said nothing................we KNEW it was wrong,
we KNEW it....but.....like Scarlett O'Hara:
"I can't think about that right now"....we marched on.

I wrote an article called, "Flipping it"---about how in a Cult (as often in life)
there are things that go by. We *should* say or do something...but we have to get on, so we don't.

Then ONE day.........something happens ...........and we cannot flip
the switch any more: We HAVE to go LOOK.

That moment, for most, is the beginning of their waking up, seeing the Truth, the facts, and thus leaving Scientology, forever.

Amazing, but true.

Hopefully, once people leave, they DO something to help others.
Posting here is a BIG help, for many lurkers, and for we who have left.
My suggestion: Don't let Scientology scare you out of telling your story.
If you fear your name, send it to me, or Andreas, or any critic you know and we'll post it. But don't let your story not be told......and we can change things so OSA Cannot sort out the facts> (HA HA OSA :lol:

Love to you, :alien: :love5:

Tory/Magoo~~


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