I've seen this so very many times in my research into this cult. To me it's one of the most dehumanizing practices I've ever seen, and replicates Hubbard's relationship/marriage track record/personal disregard for genuine loving human connection.

Deeply disrespectful, it recognizes the pleasures of friendship, sexual connection as injurious and threatening to the goal of scamming people utterly for the benefit of the "8th dynamic."

It's socially disruptive plus personally, pathologically anti-surivial, and in my opinion from reading Hubbard, a consequence of a serious psychological disorder, a twin to the obvious, anti-social practice of knowledge reports and Orwellian disdain for human affection.

For starters.

errrrrrrrrrrrr....for the record (*FTR) you're kidding, right?

Remember: People read things on the Net....all day long. Things are archived, and your words are used by C of S as "Facts" ...more than people can imagine. So when Hubbard himself tried to lie about his 3 wives,
saying he only had 2-----my suggestion, if it's a joke, is to add;
"Joke" "snicker" etc. next to it. Otherwise, you just *may* become
one of their key 'sources'.

Think I'm kidding? Ask Patricia Greenway, who is THE "Source" of my marriage and why it broke up, when all she did was gossip about me
behind my back, one time, that I know of. Certainly she has NO real idea of my marriage, and what she said was utterly false. (It's been repeated for 7 years---and is now posted as "Fact" on RFW~!) DUH!!!

If she's reading this, all you'd have to do is make one post saying, "That was *my* Opinion, and I never knew anything ~really~ about Tory's Marriage"....which is the truth. She's never done that, thus C of S/OSA uses her words, over and over again.


Best to you

Just my 2 cents ...

Tory/Magoo~~~

Genuine loving human connection. In all the Scn reading that I did and hours in auditing and tapes that I listened to while in the CoS, Hubbard never spoke of genuine loving human connection. There was impersonal, sanitized talk of 2D, 3D, 4D, etc. There was talk of "comm cycles" and "clearing the planet." But never a word about genuine loving human connection. Pretty odd for a belief system that claims to foster spiritual growth.

Well played, songbird, well played.

Lots of mumbo jumbo, no compassion.

LOL!

Hi Tory,

Yes, indeed. The written word has the liability that irony doesn't read directly from the text. I probably should have written "never had."

V

I ran the scenario of Dave and Shelly Miscavige getting divorced by an L.A. divorce attorney. I have no reason to believe that the two are divorced. However, given Shelly's disappearance from Int Base, there is reason to believe that they are separated on a permanent basis and that a legal agreement exists between the two.

Bottom line from my attorney pal:

1. If they were married in California, Shelly is legally entitled to 50% of the assets. This includes all hidden accounts in Bulgravia.

2. If the court found that DM concealed martial assets from Shelly during a divorce proceeding, he would forfeit all concealed assets.

3. If DM had power over Shelly, she would sign away any claims to DM's assets. If Shelly went back into court to state that she signed under duress, she could have her attorney re-open the divorce proceedings.

4. There could have been an arbitration instead of a court hearing. In an arbitration, a third party would negotiate a settlement between Dave and Shelly and the court would review this settlement. Courts generally accept arbitration and grant the divorce.

5. In a long-term legal separation, Dave would pay Shelly alimony because they were married for longer than ten years.

6. Because DM is a public figure as the head of a religious Cult, it would be in his best interest PR-wise to stay married. Staying married is also DM's best way to protect his assets.

7. Again, this is all conjecture: A nasty divorce in open court would be a PR nightmare for Dave. He has to avoid this scenario at all costs. Therefore, DM has to ensure that Shelly is taken care of with a nice lifestyle. He cannot RPF his own wife. If he did and word leaked, DM has the biggest Hill 10 of his life. Shelly being RPF'd is therefore not an option. Offloaded yes, RPF'd or Declared, never.

Conclusion: In this scenario, the optimal solution is for a private agreement between the two whereby DM takes care of Shelly financially for the rest of her life. It is in DM's best interest to keep Shelly happy and ensure that she wants for nothing. It is also in DM's best interest to keep Shelly isolated and controlled. Perhaps DM has found the fine balance needed to keep Shelly happy, quiet, and out of sight?


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Given DM's dark history, it would NOT surprise me, if Shelly suddenly turned up dead under mysterious circumstances.

I hate to say this, but no one knows more dirt than Michelle Miscavige. She could write the mother of all anti-Scientology best sellers. If Douche tries any dirty dealings and pisses her off, oh man!!

Shelly! Escape and find the nearest police station or fire station, and tell them your life is in danger and you need to speak to the FBI and a lawyer. Many critics would be willing to give you shelter and support while you rebuild your life free of David Miscavige.

JSwift,

Thanks for the info.

I'd say the next question then would be "would DM give up all hope of a 2D if this is what happened?"

Seriously doubt it.

Up to your imagination what would happen then.

Why not?

Lesevre did.

Shelly may not be on the RPF, but it wouldn't surprise me if she was on some kind of a long term sec check type program that isn't much different than being on the RPF.

It's just exactly the sort of thing that it seems he would do.

Imagine if Shakespeare wrote sonnets about his “2D.”

God have Mercy on the cold, loveless world that is Scientology.

Lulu_belle: DM could RPF his own wife. However, the argument here is that he would never do so for PR reasons. If word got out -- and it would -- that Tom Cruise's best friend DM had placed his own wife in Scientology's concentration camp, that would be terrible PR for Tom and Dave and Scientology.

Ya' know what Lulu_belle? On second thought, I hope you are right. I hope that as Valkyrie releases, we find that DM has RPF'd Shelly. This would hurt Tom Cruise's movie in a big way and expose him as the best friend of man who was psychologically brutal to his wife in the same way that Ron was brutal to all three of his wives.

Lulu_belle: You know the inside far better than most. In your considered opinion, do you seriously think that DM would RPF his own wife? LRH never RPF'd Mary Sue after she was released from prison. However, DM is not LRH as we have clearly seen.

LOL!

Looking at the history of various destructive dictators, kings, despots- I think the romps through flowers and the BJs do not seem to distract from megalomania.

Yes and no.

I could see him putting her on some kind of endless sec check ethics program which is the equivalent of the current RPF.

But I think he wouldn't allow her to be in a regular RPF group because of "security" issues. In other words, he would be afraid of what she would say in session or whatever that would leak out.

He would have her being sec checked by some trusted person, and the sec check KRs would go directly to him and no one else.

I'm no expert on DM, however; it's just my opinion from what I did know when I was in and things I've heard since I've been out.

It would be good to hear what LBV or BTs2Free have to say.