Oh jeez... I guess I should have known better.

What I meant to say was: "Perfect oppurtunity for Shawn Lonsdale or some other (hidden) camera-carrying (experienced, seasoned $cn. critic) SP to go shopping for a new car and take a test spin!"

...not for some pasty-faced, nihilistic, callow-youth internet geek to go do it.

personally, I would find it the height of irony for one of the people responsible for so much misery to have his dealership picketed.

Personally, I think that would be an extremely fucked up thing to do.

You are acting just like a Scientologist.

The guy is out and is starting to try to get his life together.

Leave him alone.

Give him a chance to handle things when he can.

Leave the guy alone. When he is ready to talk, he will. No need to prove to him the real world is just as nasty the cult was.

sorry, if he was a poor little scientologist I would say yeah.

he was the fucking head of the OSA and lied to millions of people.

he has a responsibility to tell the fucking truth.

I feel no pity for him yet.

How do you know that he is not trying to tell the truth? Because he isn't posting or doing anything publicly? You have no idea and should just do what YOU can.

Because we hear nothing from him.
And obviously everyone wants to hear from him.
so that tells me he isn't doing anything but sitting on what he knows.

and if finding the truth means upsetting his poor little life, then by god, we should. Lisa mcphearson's life was upset. so was susan meister. and countless others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqKA3w6T2U

so he owes no one an explanation for these lies?

Okay, you are proving what I am saying. You have no idea what he is doing or not doing. Do what YOU can.

Would you rather he still be in the cult?

It's not a matter of what I'd rather. I'm looking at reality. reality is this, he was the head of the OSA, under his direction bad things happened. He needs to answer for them. In the cult or not.

And I always do what I can.

Any ex, I feel, would have the same reaction.

He did fucked up things when he was on staff.

We all did.

If you aren't ex-Sea Org, you don't know how it is, so don't think you know what the fuck you are talking about.

Now he's out.

The guy has been in the Sea Org since he was a kid. His family got him in.

He has never had a real job. Never.

A real life.

He's got to be close to sixty.

He's trying to start all over again.

If you do something to embarrass him, to make him lose his job, I would personally consider you to be at least as evil as Miscavige.

And maybe more so.

My feelings about Rinder are similar to yours, Rickybobby. But I've never been in Scientology so I can't really know what it's like, you know?



IMO, this is going too far.

If Rinder needs to be punished, I think that's something for Law Enforcement to decide.

maybe you're right.
I feel he needs to speak out about what he's done though.

I don't feel his life should be ruined by any means.

If he talked and helped, i'd give him the shirt off my back.

Rinder is currently a used car salesman.

Yes, that's a laughable stereotype as a job.

But as an ex, I understand why he is doing what he is doing.

He's on straight commission.

Whoever hired him is not going to ask questions about his past. Not going to give him a background check. Not going to delve into his life. Not going to ask about his work history.

Can you imagine what it is like to be 60 years old and not be able to tell an employer anything about your past employment history?

Please leave him alone.

His family is still imprisoned. He has a wife and child still under Miscavige's control.

He has no job experience on the outside, and he's trying to survive.

Give him a break.

How do we know that Rinder isn't on a project to keep an eye on the Miscavige family for Little Hitler? Being the "eyes and ears" for Dave with the family. Dave has to know that his own family could become his worst enemy.

Mike Rinder has done similar projects in the past.

I wouldn't put it past Dave or Mike to come up with something like that. But who knows, maybe Mike really is out for good. That would be nice. Hopefully someday he speaks up. Do we wait for him to decide that on his own, or do we turn the screws a little bit at a time?

He's not just a run-of-the-mill ex-SO. The dude was the head of OSA for many years and should be held responsible for the crimes he ordered and committted.

I think Mike should know that there are eyes on him now. And if he is spying for Dave, he should just be aware that people are keeping an eye on him as well.